Boston Marathon Bombing

[HeyYou]

One bomber dead, and the other hopefully soon to be.

 

Left to my own devices, I would happily let the second bomber sucumb to his wounds...... save the taxpayers a few million in court costs......

[Nintii]

Quote from the "Mail & Guardian" ...

 

"Ruslan Tsarni, who said he was an uncle of the brothers, told CNN on Saturday he first noticed

a change in Tamerlan Tsarnaev's religious views in 2009. He said the radicalisation of his nephew

happened "in the streets of Cambridge [Massachusetts]".

 

If this is the case, then you have the problem of the "enemy within", so the question needs to asked,

"How closely are the radical element being watched in your own backyard ?"

Because nothing happens in a vacuum, someone "back home" must know something.

Edited April 21, 2013 by Nintii

[Graeystone]

One of the things that sickens me is that one of the bombs was planted right next to a little child-

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z128/bhmason_album/crowdshot_zps82eeca59.jpg

 

Nintii - What do we do? Do we start rounding people up for no reason? Its one thing to rant about doing such things on the Internet and its another to actually try it. And while there are people who will stupidly give up their Rights for a small piece of Security, I'm not one of them. If anything the US needs to tighten its borders and start enforcing some real immigration reform.

[Maharg67]

It is very hard to guard a whole nation against acts of terrorism especially with limited resources and a large number of suspects to investigate. Even the best security systems, organizations, protocols, can fail. Trouble is one can be successful 99% of the time and fail 1% of the time and then innocent people die. The use of 'cells' by terrorists, and the availability of resources to create bombs, makes the task even harder.

 

Wisdom of hindsight is very easy to come to as is jumping to conclusions because one lacks deeper understanding and information of a situation.

[Nintii]

My response (though lengthy) is this, Firstly, I do not believe in, accept or advocate any form of predjudice or

"demonization" of any group whatsoever ... however, having said that it would exceptionally foolish to ignore

a threat, one which has manifested itself on numerous occasions, even when it's from your very own household.

 

And as unfortunate as it may be, war, because this is exactly what it is, AFFECTS EVERYONE and this

war is going to be endless ... just let that sink in for a moment.

And because of this, measures need to be taken to protect not only yourself but everyone.

 

The US Gov. has on three different occasions recalled (confiscated) gold from the populace ... was that

against your rights to own it ?

Sure it was, but they did it anyway to keep the system operational DESPITE peoples "rights & freedoms".

Also, should you join the military, though you enjoy the same civilian rights you become "the property of the

Government", and you can rest assured that you will not be able to "do as you please" or run around

screaming about how free you are.

 

Therefore, rights and freedoms are to be seen in the context in which a person operates and whether or not

they are conducive to the functioning of the whole.

 

And so I say, if there is a threat, even if it's my Mama, then I'm going to scrutinize this woman in a total 360

even if it hurts me to do so.

Lastly, this is a response (the last) which contains the subject of rights and freedoms as that correctly belongs

in another debate, however, due to the article that follows, it makes perfect sense.

Here is a lengthy but very insightful article I pulled from the "net" ... it's well worth the read ...

 

 

And I quote from FrontPage Magazine ...

 

 

 

"After the capture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Obama asked, “Why did young men who grew up and studied here,

 

as part of our communities and our country, resort to such violence?”

 

Despite the scholarships and the positive press, the money and the good times that came their way, the Tsarnaevs

 

were never truly part of our communities or our country. As the words of a Jihadist song in Dzhokhar’s playlist go,

 

“Be in this temporary world a stranger/Infidels rule the earth/for the faithful life is torture.”

 

 

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were strangers. Tamerlan had an American wife and Dzhokhar had plenty of

 

American friends but they chose to treat a city and a nation that had taken them in as targets in a terrorist war.

 

As infidels who deserved nothing more than to be lied to and killed.

 

The Tsarnaevs weren’t insane. Nor were they nihilists looking to go out with a bang just for the kicks. Their social

 

media accounts reveal the world of two men who had strong beliefs and commitments. These beliefs and commitments

 

however were not to this country. They were to the Islamic Ummah.

 

 

Two months before his killing spree, Tamerlan reproved another Muslim for not believing. Unlike him, Tamerlan believed.

 

What he believed in was not the mere nationalism of a land that he had never lived in. If Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

 

had only wanted Chechen independence, they could have joined the fight there. But if the thought ever crossed their minds,

 

they were reoriented in another direction.

 

 

To Americans, the Chechen Jihadists, the Syrian rebels, the Palestinian terrorists, the Afghan Taliban and the Mali Turaeg

 

fighters all represent national struggles. To Muslims, they are all local manifestations of a global struggle between Islam and

 

the world. For the Tsarnaevs, Chechnya wasn’t any different than Afghanistan, Nigeria, Thailand, America or any other theater

 

of battle in a world war. Instead of trying to fight a war in a country he had never seen, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was dispatched or

 

dispatched himself to fight a battle in the country that he knew best.

 

 

In Obama’s speech, the willingness of the Tsarnaev brothers to kill the people of the country they had grown up in is a paradox.

 

But it isn’t a paradox; it’s the point.

 

Communists in America undermined the country not just because they saw it as the greatest villain, but because Communists in

 

every nation were committed to undermining it in order to remake it. Each Communist movement was fighting a local front in a

 

transnational struggle. For Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev their local front was not Chechnya; it was Boston.

 

Chechnya to the Tsarnaevs represented the Islamic transnationalism of the Jihadist that transcended nations. Their Chechen

 

nationalism, like Hamas’ Palestinian nationalism and the Syrian nationalism of the rebel brigades linked to the Muslim Brotherhood

 

derived from a common Islamic identity. It could have no meaning without Islam.

 

 

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev carried out the marathon massacre not because they were on the outside, but because they

 

were on the inside. Islamic terrorism was their way of expressing their American identity. When they detonated bombs at the

 

Boston Marathon, they weren’t doing it as Chechen Muslims, but as American Muslims.

 

Like Anwar al-Awlaki and Nidal Hasan, they wanted an American identity that would be based on Islam in the same way that

 

Chechen identity was based on Islam. They wanted it because they believed it to be the only possible way of making America

 

over into a country that would reflect their own values.

 

 

There is a reason why second and third generation Muslims are more likely to turn terrorist than their immigrant parents.

 

It is because they have become American, British, Canadian and Australian part of the way. They have gone deep enough

 

to begin making a claim on the country. The Western Islamist seeks to align his internal Islamic identity and his external

 

national identity by unifying them through Islamization.

 

 

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were not fighting for Chechnya at the Boston Marathon. They were fighting against

 

the American infidels who were barring the way to an Islamic America. They were fighting to make America like Chechnya.

 

Islam is not just a religion. It is a political system. You cannot expect a devout Muslim to live as an American, the same

 

way that you could not expect a Communist, Nazi or any other consuming political identity to just keep it private or local.

 

To think that way is to truly misunderstand Islam.

 

 

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not become radicalized. They became religious. They embraced a transnational

 

ideology which applied not only to them, their mosque or their community, but to the entire world. Eventually the

 

discontinuity between their beliefs and the life of the city around them became too great to be tolerated. And so the Tsarnaevs,

 

inspired in no small part by the Islamist culture that they found on the internet and perhaps at their own radical mosque,

 

set out to resolve the conflict through terrible violence.

 

 

The two brothers were showered with educational and financial advantages. The United States took them in as refugees.

 

The City of Cambridge awarded Dzhokhar a $2,500 scholarship. Tamerlan aspired to be a boxer and found a woman

 

who loved him enough to take his religion. They lived the good life, but it wasn’t enough. It could never be enough.

 

The liberals who refuse to see what the Tsarnaev brothers stood for passionately believe in the things that they think

 

it will take to make the world a better place. The Tsarnaevs believed that only one thing was necessary; Islam.

 

 

Islam was born out of war and terror. It spread through the sword and the slave. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

 

were not the disciples of some imaginary religion of peace, but a religion of war. What they did was horrifying, but

 

not surprising. They were taking part in a world war that had begun over a thousand years ago.

 

They did not expect to strike the finishing blow; just another blow to bring America closer to the form of submission

 

known as Islam. Like other Muslim terrorists operating in the countless theaters of the world war, from Asia to Africa

 

to the Middle East to Australia and America, they sought to shock and horrify, to break our will to resist and force us

 

to submit.

 

 

“He it is who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to make it victorious over all religions

 

even though the infidels may resist.” Koran 61:9

 

In Boston the infidels resisted the messengers of Mohammed and Allah. They patched up the wounded and saved

 

as many as they could. They hunted down the messengers and shot them. But more will come. They will speak the

 

language of our popular culture and their classmates will remember them as nice young men. No one will understand

 

what caused such nice young men to do it except other nice young men like them who feel the tension between Islam

 

and America inside them waiting to break".

 

 

end quote

 

Edited April 22, 2013 by Nintii

[Lisnpuppy]

((FYI I started this here: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/975188-rights-freedoms-and-safety-in-todays-united-states/))

[Boaresa]

One bomber dead, and the other hopefully soon to be. ...... save the taxpayers a few million in court costs......

Man, this is disgusting.

 

First of they are suspects and the people already cheering for their killing while military style police with weapons of war is on bostons streets doing door to door searchings like in warsaw 1939.

Yeah, lets murder the suspects, lets kill those suspects, oswald both of them, that will be solve the case. What the hell is wrong with you?