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@ Maharg.. We have and understanding dear good sir! :biggrin: Oh and good idea this topic. :thumbsup: A poem about a drink I like ... and a pictures how I like it most ( flavour ) mmmmm

In my opinion the context of education of historical characters that participate in a any argument or even war must be historically measured by today's means, in all levels as well picking out only a the rosins out of the cereals can give it not a complete story .. example: Start: Once upon the time .... .. and they lived happy there after on. end See missed a good fairy tale. Seams we napped in lesson now we have the home work to retell the fairy tale .. ouch happened to me once and i learned my lesson "Never sleep in history class even when you have only eaten the rosins in your cereals." (btw it was before the internet) Now on legislative issues as SOPA or PIPA I would like more transparency on the facts how they could be abused but since the politicians are so eager to get publicity they tend to drop this aside .. now see if historical facts come along the same way and in old ancient times historians our modern days historians have not much in the hands and have to uses other methods to prove the fairy tale from the truth of historic events and here it is quite similar .. i miss a transparent report of how PIPA and SOPA on how they can get abused by the same people that want them to be enforced because they don't want to enforce this but force other company's enforce new laws and there for are responsible for the cons as well. but in most cases the neurotic profiling of politicians surfaces in such matters not the common-sense of the ones that later have to deal with the consequences ( not the net pirates but the ones that seeing to it that they don't violate the laws ) but the critics comes only from the later ones that have all the trouble.

I was more in the 20th century the complete time and arguing from that now in context with above post, can you see why you and I are arguing from complete different historical positions you might see why we aren't getting any positive response from one another and/or a mutual agreement that we speak about two different things on historical matters .... while you are still on the independence war, I'm on the 20 century and you can denies that methods changed a loot even between the to historical periods. so we can't really compare them to one another so it would be good if we uses the same historic period. Do we have here an agreement? it gets funny talking to one another in such a matter if someone comes by and starts to really read this .... Psst we could gain laughter with this in similar fashion on TV as Statler and Waldorf and we could get paid for this.. From Arthmoor 's post: i can guarantee you that in the times we life today a politician is needed to get this in to political motion and only one that wants attention due to some hidden agenda be it re election or something else seams in their mind legit to fool around and cost the citizens unnecessary money at worst .. i think that's the case here with SOPA. but I not 100% certain, ( I don' know him that much in the media for a certain reason but so i did compare the situation with one I do know pre-tie well and it happens every year that in those three months one of those comes up and I watch this now for over 25 in particular it gets boring and is only short-lived entertainment ) so it is only my opinion. But if that's the case he hopefully will get smacked by next elections results. Edit: Marharth and you in the other debate, well .. take your time, I have the patience of silver!

History only seen through the victors eyes bears a facility every modern historian will not stand, because in too much cases the context of historical events is lost. and it would be ethical inappropriate for researchers to only view it from only one side. ( this has been much complained about the farer a historian goes back in history to accept the facts but in modern history of the last 300 years it isn't a statement because we have much historic information on more than one side in most cases and we are having much more evidence on the whole context. It is a historians job and scientific ethic to see all sides of;;history not only one. You might know the story of the three blind men that wanted to to know what an elephant is. I tried hard to see a context i admit I have not full insight on American laws and how they are used, but I'm certain where someone is in power that has only his / her viewed that isn't controlled in one way or another there will be abuses and I have already seen it on even protesting Wikipedia (on German pages how this is done. in way that is superficial correct but in context with other valid data is an abuse. ( yes there is a structure there that i could cultural and methodical prove even but there is lack of viewing the truth in a context and most people tend to take the road to simplify what they don't understand because they are too lazy . In ;viewing only spots by highlighting;one spot the things surrounding them that have a direct context are bordered out, because they are either too complicated or simplified either because it don't fits the one raising the argument or they are undesirable and contra productive to the argument I rate.;Scientific reports and studies that are made where the one that paid for a study has the last word what is published and what is not published (;or what is made a ridiculously minor problem has brought not only false studies forward but only wide accepted association falsities.) Here a little actual example out of many that can come along with above mentioned; . Red wine researcher Dr. Dipak K. Das published fake data Yes i have fallen for years to that facility i can take the consequences and i can take the self deceit i did to my self and that makes me angry believing such a ( insert swear word of your choise ) . PIPA the most dangerous of the two. laws can be expanded or winded so they fit an abuses that can be made by a single person how the companies are going to enforce this can only be on a subjective matter and there for the abuses is set because in this case this can only be done by lawyers with a subjective mind guess now how much it will cost and think again who shall pay for the costs then look again where the money now comes from i think i know what will happen who pays get information and who can not pay ;remains uneducated and poor. The word classicism now gets more and more form and where does this lead to?didn't you pick my country as argument for your points of now what was again one of the major crimes in the aftermath my country was found guilty? ;Sounds similar to classicism and is related to it by the context (hmm); Might be you can denie the relevance with the other subjects only taking on point by point, but then again someone misses the context. I think, I'm here already 10 corners thinking ahead, but I can live with this handicap pretty well. SOPA, I think it was thought up by a politician that had either too much vacations or too less, because politicians in my country come up with such funny ideas at such times in the year when they have 3 months of vacations. It is only deepest sub level political entertainment. Sorry fast edit messed up somehow if something is a bit amiss

Hardly. My glasses are perfectly clear, and the historical facts of the matter perfectly true. Sorry but one of them seams to be broken because you are viewing it only from one eye on one side and if you would give me at least 24 h time for a translation of laws that aren't translated into English and a bit of telling you how they are used, I could scare you.. but I will only do it if you want it. Horror is best when the audience is prepared and I'm not Hitchcock, so please don't expect me to be a grand master in it. One can never absolutely guarantee this, even with a Constitution as powerful as ours which sets forth rights the government cannot abridge. What you seem to be missing here is that the problem being addressed by SOPA/PIPA is with regard to criminal activity. Crime is not protected free speech. Our Supreme Court has ruled many times on that. Our laws give us tools with which to combat crime. SOPA/PIPA are tool to that end. Perhaps not perfect tools, but none of the protesters are coming up with an alternative that isn't the wild wild west of the 21st century. At least Rep. Issa has come up with an alternative piece of legislation that may or may not be more appropriate to the issue. It's called the OPEN Act, and very few if any sites are mentioning it as a legitimate alternative. Usually what happens when people approach Congress with the attitude of "nobody touches my internet" it doesn't get you very far. Piracy isn't going away. Nor are copyright holders who's works are being infringed. You scrap this bill, and you have absolutely no guarantee that what comes next won't be substantially worse. Well wait till you get thought crimes and new speech when though and opinions are regulated well the path has been already cleared for such if you only look at SOPA / PIPA you don' get the whole picture if you look broader at the laws that are heavily debated in your country from the last, lets say 12 years then you might gain a picture that uses structures that can be again in relevance to the methods used in my country prior to your victory only make me nervous (and that's honestly put an euphemism, because i fear history repeating it self .. ) now please don't judge me too hard, I'm against Internet piracy, but I'm certainly against governmental abuses of laws and there my primary doubt goes in direct relevance to the patriot act and how it is handled by the U.S: Government if both only by accusation come together in some form anything breaks even your constitution and i don' want to see it in such manner. If you are asking me what the appropriate response would be to a British occupation of North America in the 21st century, I'd say George Washington already answered that 250 years ago. The solution would be the same now as it was then. Expel them by force. Otherwise I have no idea what you're asking me. Sadly i was hoping you would try to answer what would happen in the 1812 Canada matter a bit more specifically on the today used politics and diplomatics in our time because lot has changed in the mean while you left out. Now my question goes back to the Peace Treaty of Versailles and how would your country react to similar teams in exactly the same all in all circumstances? In my opinion the American public would react not exactly the same but similar.

*Knock Knock* In what fictional dream Please ? In no fictional dream. You're living in a country right now that was freed using guns. History seen through pink glasses. Why I ask you they voted for the tyrant and why no one want to be on his side as the foreign guns moved in? Any similarity to any other American liberation on foreign country's ? And why did my people used the psychological term of "self deceit" as defence and why ? Freedom through force of weapons, through force and fear ... Hmmm and the results .. you get a silent opposition that is doing things behind your back secretly or you get an open liberation by a rebellion ... and you posted it your self in your last argument. now take your pick of what my country historical did in reality... the self deceit lives on... and is lurking Though I'm pretty sure AutoPumpaction was being sarcastic when he posted it, you're missing the target here if you think it would be American vs American. In all likelihood a scenario that brought us to the use of guns to overthrow our government would mean having the backing of our volunteer military. Without them, there would be little chance of a popular uprising against some issue surviving longer than a few days. I can assure you an anti-piracy bill circulating through Congress isn't going to be sufficient to rally the troops on either side. For the most part, most people simply don't care and it won't affect them anyway. Not directly but when information is denied by a government it is a censorship. Can you guarantee by your constitution that not the wrong sites aren't affected and another self deceit happens like the one I mentioned in this post above? There I have my serious doubts. Someone should tell that to the founders of the United States then. The American Revolution was our freedom being won precisely by a whole lot of people taking up arms and forcing the British off the continent. And again in 1812 when they though to take advantage of our overreach in attacking Canada. Question: "What would be the appropriate political and diplomatic reaction, if both from your side mentioned historic events would happen in the 21st century ?"

*Knock Knock* In what fictional dream Please ? 1st you need hundred thousands and for every American who picks up a gun to end this and there is one American that raises its gun for it against you , if you rally them in that way. Btw does that set-up remind you of something? : "History repeating itself!" Think about 150 years back in American history .. Got it ? You cant win freedom with weapons in your hand ... like I said before some posts ago "fear never made someone free..." Nope Internet freedom can't be archived by sabotage, by arms or by violent force, but by honest and non violent protest and opposition with arguments. You can make the internet free with a valid argument that is more worth than thousands of weapons.

"Now, my sacrifice. Who are you?" VTMB, LaCroix

@ginnyfizz (Thank you. I got it will try it soon) In case we get to deep into piracy sharing recipes over the internet her Is the Apple Sprinkle Cake recipe (mine is a bit modded. I like to add a extra knifes tip cinnamon powder to the sprinkles because it fits more to the Apples in my opinion) . SOPA & PIPA ( especially the PIPA Popanz) has here in Germany no support and making us 2nd class citizens of US company's and I see there as well a danger from big company using the lawsuit from the U.S as a back-door lawsuit. Neat idea for company lawyers using US piracy laws but this only the start i know of certain U.S. and Japanese company's hiring personnel and lawyers in my country to search the internet for pirated content. With this laws it get really quickly funny to know that they are lowering out unemployment rate and it is now the lowest since 1993 official (unofficial there are still 5 millions unemployed here, but the government used tricks and deceit to make them ... lets say vanish from statistics with measures so that they are constant temporary not showing in this) Aye it is funny they change the label and the way how to do something and it is legit .. now think again how laws can be expanded in an inappropriate way just to the bidding of a complaining industry that hasn't made it's homework and now lets pay up the bill for the not done homework by they tax paying citizens and this in a time where governmental money is sparse and unemployment is high in the U.S. ... makes me rub my chin and role my eyes .. anyone know how much it would cost to get SOPA or / & PIPA up and running ?

Yep Ginnyfizz I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you can chancel your Somerset Apple Cake, (BTW formally requesting the Somerset Apple Cake recipe from you, please! I like to bake 12 months a year cakes ( saves me the trouble to make a sandwich :biggrin:)) as well my Apple Sprinkle Cake are now under the vile influence of Apple Company due to intellectual infringement. Next we get charged for it by piracy for baking our own cakes, and yes cider company's could get in trouble next. What a shame. If they start doing this on Irn-Bru, I'm then on the verge of starting a rebellion!

He's probably just hibernating.

Another one? Holy parade! I still having trouble getting over ze events at the last 20 royal European weddings. Never the less Wikipedia stirred up a loot of news world wide with hit's announcement to protest tomorrow. So that's the good side .. I ask you know to read an article in the link below from Mailonline and i would like you to think about what happens in the internet if some company lawyers get lose on the internet in a similar way if SOPA and PIPA get (ab)used in a similar bulling way down at pretty small mostly local company's or else that are customer dependant. Link to Mailonline article about : "German caffe owner sued by Apple after computer firm says her logo is too similar to theirs" Compare them and take notes what happened here and try to imagine what would be the result if SOPA and PIPA would be in this little stuff as well and don't think thy can't expand something that has already applied .. They CAN! :ohdear: Fear never has made people free, it has only the power to enslave!

brokenergy, your doom comes in the form of all Mortal Kombat 3 Friendships! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuzPOAdv7P4 Hope you have fun experiencing them all.

Reading Concentrating thinking .. due that thinking not only involves logic, but also inspiration, determination and creativity .. only one that reads but don't realy understands and thinks can become stupid due to the fact that the one has missed some steps in the process out for going on to the next thing he wants to read or not re-thought of what he previosly read in the net .. aside from media's like videos. So you are right Omeletter.

Maharg67, your doom comes in the form of ... Clarence! http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Vv_3c_Q0Ziw/SvM6EKuX1xI/AAAAAAAADv0/yy1-6uQ_qqE/clarence%5B2%5D.jpg Yea I know of Skippy. It was ok in my youth

There are pictures where someone must smile at .. here are two of them I personally find awesome and epic .. http://www.deviantart.com/download/103330141/Sgt__Schultz_by_linworkman.jpghttp://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/benny-hill-copy.jpg

Funny you know Maharg67...I was wondering what the kangaroo was thinking and the girls was looking at precisely...:biggrin: http://shadowness.com/file/item3/73017/image_t6.jpg

Hubba hubba! The nymph's taking off her clothes!

http://img.wallpaperstock.net:81/the-muppet-show%3A-pigs-in-space-wallpapers_30433_1152x864.png ... Nearly as hilarious as Steam Punk Space Nazis....

I come in peace... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNDaOFQ6g2I ... and in underwear .. so I win once again!

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1005/give-a-man-a-fire-and-he-will-be-warm-for-the-day-demotivational-poster-1273552083.jpg Like a moderator here on Nexus has it in his signature ,,, there fore I claim the win, because this piece of wisdom can't be totally wrong !

My personal opinion is that the topic comes from the wrong social angle. I'm not willing to rival this topic with another one that has a very similar theme, unless the opener is convinced that there might be a better way to get results in this by another way of debate that might be more to the liking of the audience. (I have a good story to tell on this too, but this is only the bonus) kvnchrist you can PM me for a sniff of what I have in mind if you are interested, but if you think that I'm wrong please go on with out me finding out the truth in this matter. I will be having lots of fun reading still on an envy drookit topic . It would be also a good way to have seen the British film "Eat the Rich" (WIKI) to get an answer from a 3rd angle, but this is only an option for the lazy thinkers. ... that's only my 2 cents that I throw in here.

http://borderingonborderline.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/the-catcher-in-the-rye.jpg Hmm! ... What famous book I have in mind seeing this?

Hey, guys we'll have mushrooms for lunch.

Ban brokenrgy for not knowing that Ithildin was a she *he he* ...:laugh: