WightMage

Let us come together and pickup what is left, and rebuild. Instead of continue to fight over the scraps, like is going on in the most recent news thread right now.

Whatever we do, we should avoid losing steam (no, pun not intended) as it goes on. The last thing we need is for everyone to forget the importance of donating now that the crisis is over.

In response to post #24738304. #24738404, #24738464, #24738479, #24738524, #24738604, #24738659, #24738679, #24738694, #24738739, #24738779, #24738799, #24738804, #24738919, #24738944, #24738974, #24739104, #24739184, #24739199, #24739204, #24739289, #24739329, #24739359, #24739394, #24739409, #24739474, #24739514, #24739544, #24739564, #24739609, #24739619, #24739639, #24739689, #24739759, #24739784, #24739884, #24739949, #24739999, #24740019, #24740029, #24740039, #24740124, #24740139, #24740174, #24740184, #24740199, #24740234, #24740349, #24740469, #24740494, #24740509, #24740569, #24740579, #24740584, #24740694, #24740734, #24740789, #24740809, #24740814, #24740834, #24740844, #24740859, #24740899, #24740939, #24740959, #24741039, #24741074, #24741079, #24741154, #24741159, #24741164, #24741289, #24741369, #24741419, #24741429, #24741444, #24741449, #24741529, #24741644, #24741674, #24741699, #24741714, #24741744, #24741754, #24741764, #24741784, #24741804, #24741884, #24741959, #24742024, #24742104, #24742119, #24742154, #24742169, #24742194, #24742314, #24742444, #24742464, #24742489, #24742509, #24742524, #24742564, #24742579, #24742634, #24742744, #24742799, #24742804, #24742964, #24743039, #24743319, #24743439, #24743614, #24743699, #24743779, #24743799, #24743809, #24743899, #24743969, #24744239, #24744704, #24746029, #24747899, #24749729, #24750024, #24751049, #24751199, #24766859, #24767519, #24767764, #24770099, #24771514, #24771974, #24772789, #24772979, #24773749, #24773819, #24773909, #24774049 are all replies on the same post. Well said.

In response to post #24755029. I will vote against ANY kind of hierarchal system on any mod database anywhere.

In response to post #24742594. #24742759, #24742849, #24742924, #24742934, #24743009, #24743059, #24743149, #24743254, #24743299, #24743359, #24743449, #24743474, #24743514, #24743524, #24743584, #24743604, #24743624, #24743724, #24743739, #24743769, #24743774, #24743884, #24743929, #24743984, #24744049, #24744139, #24744159, #24744279, #24744479, #24744519, #24744574, #24744719, #24744789, #24744794, #24744929, #24744964, #24744989, #24745004, #24745054, #24745174, #24745279, #24745339, #24745449, #24745494, #24745729, #24745734, #24745839, #24745939, #24746154, #24746294, #24746544, #24746674, #24746704, #24746719, #24747064, #24747169, #24747379, #24747459, #24747514, #24747554, #24747774, #24747799, #24747909, #24748204, #24748329, #24748344, #24748534, #24748849, #24749024, #24749029, #24749224, #24749279, #24749419, #24750314, #24751879, #24752384, #24752494, #24752744, #24753274, #24753624, #24753979, #24754244, #24754444, #24754479, #24754484 are all replies on the same post. Not much else to say but "lol"....

In response to post #24742594. #24742759, #24742849, #24742924, #24742934, #24743009, #24743059, #24743149, #24743254, #24743299, #24743359, #24743449, #24743474, #24743514, #24743524, #24743584, #24743604, #24743624, #24743724, #24743739, #24743769, #24743774, #24743884, #24743929, #24743984, #24744049, #24744139, #24744159, #24744279, #24744479, #24744519, #24744574, #24744719, #24744789, #24744794, #24744929, #24744964, #24744989, #24745004, #24745054, #24745174, #24745279, #24745339, #24745449, #24745494, #24745729, #24745734, #24745839, #24745939, #24746154, #24746294, #24746544, #24746674, #24746704, #24746719, #24747064, #24747169, #24747379, #24747459, #24747514, #24747554, #24747774, #24747799, #24747909, #24748204, #24748329, #24748344, #24748534, #24748849, #24749024, #24749029, #24749224, #24749279, #24749419, #24750314, #24751879, #24752384, #24752494, #24752744, #24753274 are all replies on the same post. Thread is too long, even compared to past ones, and most people have said what I would have by now, so let me simplify: @FavoredSoul 1) As someone who has gone out of their way this weekend to defend people's right to be paid for their work if they so choose, and donated, I'm offended at being blanket included in the rabble of "entitled" kids you mention, thanks. 2) The first thing people in all art fields learn when they get into art is that they either do it because their passionate about it, or they quit immediately. Criticism is LEGION- and they will not be stopped. You can either learn to take what you want to improve yourself, and ignore the rest, including the vitriolic, or not. 3) It is unrealistic and entitled to expect the ground you stand on to be kissed just because you made something. I say this as a writer, and as far as I'm concerned, the bullshit we receive from so much as putting pen on paper is a fraction of the hatred that you get and continue to get from making mods. So a dozen people are spamming posts about how you're a terrible person, complete with overused memes and broken english? Who cares? Imagine spending YEARS on a work, sending ar least a dozen drafts to publishers, editors, and friends alike, getting next to no responses, and when you do, finding your work awash in red ink or attached to a letter that extolls the reasons your work isn't profitable. Imagine the self righteous idiots who accuse you of being racist/homophobic/gay agenda/devil worshipper/christian propagandist/anti science/fails at science just because you write characters and situatioms contrary to their established worldview. This torrent cannot, and will not be stopped, and the sooner you learn to ignore what is useless to you and pick up what is, will you be ready for the mod/artist community. Otherwise, it sounds like you aren't meant for this line of work. All you've managed to do is throw anyone who would have helped you out under the bus over something that's meant to be fun anyway.

In response to post #24741069. #24741234, #24741639, #24741734 are all replies on the same post. As a writer, one of the first things I learned starting out is that there will always be critical people, but ultimately It is up to me what criticisms to take to heart and what to ignore. Should I demand to not be criticised? And if so, is there any realism, any maturity in expecting to not be spat at? It would be nice, but it is hardly human nature. Art has very little objective right or wrong, and once you're past the technical aspects, its really up to you to decide what criticism you listen or not listen to. The same goes for expecting payment, really. A professor I had once commented that a way to see how passionate someone is about their craft is to see if, after being so brutalized in criticism to the point of being told to quit (though most people with any sense of class would not go that far) they would still continue. Most people would quit, since they've taken their peer's negative comments to heart and whatever passion they had in the work was either too shallow or was not strong enough to bind them to it. A few still, though, would argue that they will continue even if they were told to stop. There are many reasons for this, but ultimately, its within them. They cannot stop no matter what they are told- because the act of creation fuels their passion alone. It's a hard feeling to describe- closer to religion than anything else, really. We are fortunate to meet even one or two of these people. In my experience, they're often the weirdos who keep working on projects on their spare time, long after their peers have harped on how much effort they're "wasting." Bur it isn't wasted time. They're happy. /sleep deprived ramble on nature of passion

I second this motion for a Mod Author Appreciation Day (MAAD).

Here here, RurikNiall.

In response to post #24732584. #24734194, #24736024, #24736399, #24736849, #24737484, #24737584, #24737704, #24738624, #24738744, #24739129 are all replies on the same post. Def not arguing with you there.

In response to post #24738759. Well said.

In response to post #24738824. Everyone's voice counts, though some more than others. Let us be judged by the strength of our argument and the sobriety of our posts, and not by the number of our mods, or lack thereof.

In response to post #24738869. Furthermore, let us support them in such a way that they need not even CONSIDER a system like this again. What's the point of selling mods when you're making bank in donations?

In response to post #24732584. #24734194, #24736024, #24736399, #24736849, #24737484, #24737584, #24737704, #24738624 are all replies on the same post. True, true... though I suppose we could always try to convince Chesko to come back and help us. He can be like our Old Ben Kenobi.

In response to post #24736589. #24736754, #24737024, #24737159, #24737319, #24737354, #24737399 are all replies on the same post. >>Be playing Skyrim for first time. >>Be 2 hours in, >>"Wow these bandits are easy. I'm just repeatedly pressing the left mouse button and they're dying. Not even bothering to use their shields, circle strafe, or run away." >>Decide to hell with it, game still fun so far... >>Invade bandit camp. Murder everything. >>Loot camp, about to leave, fall off stairs somehow. >>Character stuck in mysterious non existent hole. Attempt jump out. Doesn't work. >>Spend half an hour trying to get out of hole despite there being a clear path and being held down by invisible walls. >>Hour later, quit. >>Install mods.

In response to post #24737409. Here here!

Beth's Blog Post, with select paragraphs that I chose to highlight: http://www.bethblog.com/2015/04/27/why-were-trying-paid-skyrim-mods-on-steam/ "This was in 2012 and we had many questions, but only one demand. It had to be open, not curated like the current models. At every step along the way with mods, we have had many opportunities to step in and control things, and decided not to. We wanted to let our players decide what is good, bad, right, and wrong. We will not pass judgment on what they do. We’re even careful about highlighting a modder on this blog for that very reason." "We believe most mods should be free. But we also believe our community wants to reward the very best creators, and that they deserve to be rewarded. We believe the best should be paid for their work and treated like the game developers they are. But again, we don’t think it’s right for us to decide who those creators are or what they create." "We also don’t think we should tell the developer what to charge. That is their decision, and it’s up to the players to decide if that is a good value. We’ve been down similar paths with our own work, and much of this gives us déjà vu from when we made the first DLC: Horse Armor. Horse Armor gave us a start into something new, and it led to us giving better and better value to our players with DLC like Shivering Isles, Point Lookout, Dragonborn and more. We hope modders will do the same." "Opening up a market like this is full of problems. They are all the same problems every software developer faces (support, theft, etc.), and the solutions are the same. Valve has done a great job addressing those, but there will be new ones, and we’re confident those will get solved over time also. If the system shows that it needs curation, we’ll consider it, but we believe that should be a last resort." [Debating the percentages, Bethesda admits they're the ones who set the payrate.] "Some are concerned that this whole thing is leading to a world where mods are tied to one system, DRM’d and not allowed to be freely accessed. That is the exact opposite of what we stand for. Not only do we want more mods, easier to access, we’re anti-DRM as far as we can be. Most people don’t know, but our very own Skyrim DLC has zero DRM. We shipped Oblivion with no DRM because we didn’t like how it affected the game." "We will do whatever we need to do to keep our community and our games as healthy as possible. We hope you will do the same."

In response to post #24737464. #24737549, #24737774 are all replies on the same post. You're cool, digital. Even though we are on different sides of the argument, I think I speak for most of us when I say I appreciate your civility. :) Though I must confess, I don't think disabling the donation function at this time would do anything except hinder the progress the Nexus has made over the weekend. Prior to this event, people didn't give a second thought toward giving mod authors anything. Now? Now people are realizing just how lucky they are to even have mods, and with any luck, a paid mod scheme won't be necessary in the future if donations remain a thing.

In response to post #24737819. #24737864 is also a reply to the same post. Doubt that we would, anyway... Moot himself disappeared after the Great Schism. The last time he made an appearance on the interweb was during a going away party on 8chan.

In response to post #24732584. #24734194, #24736024, #24736399, #24736849, #24737484, #24737584 are all replies on the same post. @Brass Ehehe...er, I mean script writing as in, "writes scripts, for movies and... stuff." I actually still have to learn Papyrus myself... ^^; ...But hey! Pirate ship in a totally unknown cave! Great idea! Maybe you can combine it with this mod: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34475/?

In response to post #24736829. #24737229, #24737684, #24737904 are all replies on the same post. I second this motion. And 4/24/15 will be the Darkest Day in Mod History. Nevar forget.

In response to post #24736044. #24736999, #24737054 are all replies on the same post. And can we have that attached to the NMM so we can tell what mods we have or haven't donated to in the past, just like the endorse button?

In response to post #24736589. #24736754 is also a reply to the same post. You mean aside from the fact that, in a year or two, they'll be selling the "Legendary Gold Assault Armageddon Omega Supreme Edition" with over $200 worth of DLC clothing, weapon, and texture packs in a bundle for 80% off?

In response to post #24732584. #24734194, #24736024, #24736399 are all replies on the same post. @Brass Damn right you should, lemme know if you ever need a voice actor or a script writer for a quest. ;) And @jfisha, LOL, tell her you can write them off on your taxes or something. :P

In response to post #24732359. #24732454, #24732714, #24732834, #24733099 are all replies on the same post. Humble much, Dark0ne? You got to speak with Lord GabeN himself, and he expressed as much how important he thought the Nexus was. I'm sure you made an impact- the most important of which was sticking to your guns. Thanks for being there for everyone.