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[Wererommel]

i havent accused you of lying. i'm trying to understand how your issue occurred. what you have told us is only part of the story. im trying to understand what is missing from the story to complete the picture.

the only person who knows that is you.

 

i won't guess as to how your issues occurred, but based on my own experience of vortex and computers in general - what you described about mods simply being deleted without any input from you does not happen.

 

i have asked you what actions you have taken, and you've not answered them, instead you've gone off down a google rabbit hole. when you're ready to talk about your actions, that precluded this issue throw a post up.

 

I said I had told you everything I did, and still you accuse me of concealing information, and insist that you haven't called me a liar.

 

[Wererommel]

I've already explained what happened. You updated mods by first uninstalling the old one, then restored an application state from before the update. I'm not sure why this is still being discussed, that is definitively what's happening, Vortex even explicitly says that that is what's going to happen if you restore a backup for no good reason.

And if you looked at the actual staging folder you'd see that you have different versions of the mods that what Vortex is missing.

 

regarding the google link: yeah, look at all the ads inside Vortex... sigh.

 

Vortex is built around chrome and uses chrome for its embedded webbrowser. IndexedDB is the db that that browser uses for its own storage, it has nothing to do with Vortex's own data.

You're probably looking at a cookie from some website you browsed to.

 

Not sure why you are so intent on blaming me for this.

 

 

No one is blaming you, this is your own system. What I'm telling you is that you caused this yourself, 100% guaranteed.

Vortex did not randomly delete files and there is no secret conspiracy between google and us to break your modding setup...

You are welcome to dig into random files making up random stuff all day long but it won't get you any closer to an actual solution...

You say I updated my mods by uninstalling the old ones first, but I never do that.

 

The application state I restored included a mod that I had uninstalled over a month before, a long time before the the restore was created.

 

I do consider a corrupted game a good reason for restoring.

 

You are certain that I caused this, but your explanation of how I did it has some holes.

[Tannin42]

this is incredibly interesting to me.

 

a question - is there a way, via a command or any other method to display the internals you mention in your reply, such as the application state. what i mean by that is, does the application state contain any information around when a mod was added/updated versus what is contained in the staging folder?

 

theoretically yes, the application state contains all the information vortex has on a mod which does include the installation time.

however, this db is optimized for the application to look things up quickly, not for a user to read, it's stored on disk in binary but we do have ways to import/export.

 

One way to get the state in a "readable" form is by manually creating a backup. Go to settings->workarounds and click "Create Backup" at the bottom. This creates a backup in your appdata directory but in the notification that pops up you can click "Save Copy" to create a copy at a custom location. This backup contains user settings and persisted data (about mods, downloads, archives, ...)

The alternative is to call "Vortex.exe --get settings" or "Vortex --get persistent" which provides a flattened list of the information (there is also "app", which contains data about vortexes own management, like the list of installed extensions, the last version you ran and "confidential" which contains confidential settings like the api key)

 

For a mod for example you might find something like this:

persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.archiveId = "FIc99LoUUWj"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.allowRating = true
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.author = "kryptopyr"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.bugMessage = ""
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.category = 95
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.content = ["plugin","archive"]
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.description = "..."
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.downloadGame = "skyrimse"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.endorsed = "Undecided"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileId = 115283
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileMD5 = "ed4f77485a50949e7cc776cbc310ce8d"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileName = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.zip"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileSize = 54827087
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileType = "MAIN"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.homepage = "https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/18994/"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.installTime = "2020-09-08T19:28:23.055Z"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.isPrimary = true
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.logicalFileName = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.modId = 18994
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.modName = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.modVersion = "2.1"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.name = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.newestFileId = 115283
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.newestVersion = "2.1"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.noContent = false
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.pictureUrl = "https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1704/images/18994/18994-1533245114-1467886195.jpeg"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.shortDescription = "..."
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.source = "nexus"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.uploadedTimestamp = 1575569082
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.version = "2.1"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.fileOverrides = []
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.id = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.installationPath = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.state = "installed"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.type = ""

So it tells you which version Vortex expects to see in which folder (below the staging folder), what archive it was installed from (encoded as a reference into persistent.downloads.files) and also when it was installed.

 

Technically you could then go and rename the manually installed directory in staging to match "installationPath" and Vortex would associate this meta data with your manually installed mod, no further verification would happen.

But then Vortex has incorrect information about the file version and the internal file id which would then lead to incorrect results when you check for mod updates for example.

 

is there any means available where i could list what vortex thinks i should have, versus what i've actually got? so that as well as getting the mods changed on disk message, i can actually use vortex to tell me that it thinks i need v2 of my mod, but it's not present in the staging folder?

 

 

The dialog currently contains the mod id, which is (at least for now) the same as the directory name in the staging folder and the same as the name of mod archive.

I guess we could instead render the "user-friendly" name of the mod and the version number, but that would make it even harder to identify the data on disk that Vortex can't find.

The current message is already very specific: "I expected to find the directory DT_Hjertesten Hall-48118-3-1-1618082675 in the staging folder but it's not there".

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

this is incredibly interesting to me.

 

a question - is there a way, via a command or any other method to display the internals you mention in your reply, such as the application state. what i mean by that is, does the application state contain any information around when a mod was added/updated versus what is contained in the staging folder?

 

theoretically yes, the application state contains all the information vortex has on a mod which does include the installation time.

however, this db is optimized for the application to look things up quickly, not for a user to read, it's stored on disk in binary but we do have ways to import/export.

 

One way to get the state in a "readable" form is by manually creating a backup. Go to settings->workarounds and click "Create Backup" at the bottom. This creates a backup in your appdata directory but in the notification that pops up you can click "Save Copy" to create a copy at a custom location. This backup contains user settings and persisted data (about mods, downloads, archives, ...)

The alternative is to call "Vortex.exe --get settings" or "Vortex --get persistent" which provides a flattened list of the information (there is also "app", which contains data about vortexes own management, like the list of installed extensions, the last version you ran and "confidential" which contains confidential settings like the api key)

 

For a mod for example you might find something like this:

persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.archiveId = "FIc99LoUUWj"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.allowRating = true
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.author = "kryptopyr"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.bugMessage = ""
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.category = 95
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.content = ["plugin","archive"]
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.description = "..."
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.downloadGame = "skyrimse"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.endorsed = "Undecided"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileId = 115283
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileMD5 = "ed4f77485a50949e7cc776cbc310ce8d"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileName = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.zip"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileSize = 54827087
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.fileType = "MAIN"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.homepage = "https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/18994/"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.installTime = "2020-09-08T19:28:23.055Z"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.isPrimary = true
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.logicalFileName = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.modId = 18994
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.modName = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.modVersion = "2.1"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.name = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.newestFileId = 115283
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.newestVersion = "2.1"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.noContent = false
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.pictureUrl = "https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1704/images/18994/18994-1533245114-1467886195.jpeg"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.shortDescription = "..."
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.source = "nexus"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.uploadedTimestamp = 1575569082
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.attributes.version = "2.1"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.fileOverrides = []
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.id = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.installationPath = "Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.state = "installed"
persistent.mods.skyrimse.Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes-18994-2-1-1575569082.type = ""

So it tells you which version Vortex expects to see in which folder (below the staging folder), what archive it was installed from (encoded as a reference into persistent.downloads.files) and also when it was installed.

 

Technically you could then go and rename the manually installed directory in staging to match "installationPath" and Vortex would associate this meta data with your manually installed mod, no further verification would happen.

But then Vortex has incorrect information about the file version and the internal file id which would then lead to incorrect results when you check for mod updates for example.

 

is there any means available where i could list what vortex thinks i should have, versus what i've actually got? so that as well as getting the mods changed on disk message, i can actually use vortex to tell me that it thinks i need v2 of my mod, but it's not present in the staging folder?

 

 

The dialog currently contains the mod id, which is (at least for now) the same as the directory name in the staging folder and the same as the name of mod archive.

I guess we could instead render the "user-friendly" name of the mod and the version number, but that would make it even harder to identify the data on disk that Vortex can't find.

The current message is already very specific: "I expected to find the directory DT_Hjertesten Hall-48118-3-1-1618082675 in the staging folder but it's not there".

 

thanks for this explanation @tannin42, that's above and beyond what i expected. thank you.

[Wererommel]

All this fuss, and no one has asked if I checked the disk for errors, in retrospect an obvious thing to do. I just checked C: and did find a number of errors. Did they cause the disaster? Possibly, but there is no way to be sure. The D: disk was error free, and that had both Skyrim and Vortex on it. However, the database was on C: (no way to change that). Unfortunately, the database is locked to users, so I can't examine it, much less fix any problems.

 

Looks like I'll have to forget about all those intact game files and start over, but not before I replace the C: disk.

I have identified two files in the AppData Vortex folder that were severely damaged. These were not essential files, and they were not part of the database, but it seems likely that the database files were damaged. It is the only explanation that fits all the facts.

 

I would caution you, in the future, not to assume that anyone brings you a problem here must have done something wrong.

[HadToRegister]

 

All this fuss, and no one has asked if I checked the disk for errors, in retrospect an obvious thing to do. I just checked C: and did find a number of errors. Did they cause the disaster? Possibly, but there is no way to be sure. The D: disk was error free, and that had both Skyrim and Vortex on it. However, the database was on C: (no way to change that). Unfortunately, the database is locked to users, so I can't examine it, much less fix any problems.

 

Looks like I'll have to forget about all those intact game files and start over, but not before I replace the C: disk.

I have identified two files in the AppData Vortex folder that were severely damaged. These were not essential files, and they were not part of the database, but it seems likely that the database files were damaged. It is the only explanation that fits all the facts.

 

I would caution you, in the future, not to assume that anyone brings you a problem here must have done something wrong.

 

 

 

Those of us in the Support forum have all been here for several years, and 99% of the time, what happens is, someone will come in here asking for help, and their problem usually has a simple solution, because they forgot a step, but instead of coming in here and asking right away, they instead, WAIT, and uninstall/reinstall Vortex, uninstall/reinstall the Game, and Even one person uninstalled/reinstalled WINDOWS (true story), and once they have their setup completely ruined, then they ask for help and then get mad and blame Vortex when told, "All you had to do was Press DEPLOY" or some other easy fix like that

 

So, excuse us for being somewhat jaded.

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

All this fuss, and no one has asked if I checked the disk for errors, in retrospect an obvious thing to do. I just checked C: and did find a number of errors. Did they cause the disaster? Possibly, but there is no way to be sure. The D: disk was error free, and that had both Skyrim and Vortex on it. However, the database was on C: (no way to change that). Unfortunately, the database is locked to users, so I can't examine it, much less fix any problems.

 

Looks like I'll have to forget about all those intact game files and start over, but not before I replace the C: disk.

I have identified two files in the AppData Vortex folder that were severely damaged. These were not essential files, and they were not part of the database, but it seems likely that the database files were damaged. It is the only explanation that fits all the facts.

 

I would caution you, in the future, not to assume that anyone brings you a problem here must have done something wrong.

 

what files? how were they damaged?

is the disk that stored these files ssid or hdd or hybrid? were you given any warnings about disk health?

 

i will ask again, what happened on your system that caused this, given that hard disks are quite resilient?

 

only you know what happened on your system. no-one else does and what you claimed about google installing malware that wrecked only your skyrim files is, well, complete rubbish. also your assertion that vortex simply deleted files without your knowledge is also complete rubbish. we tried to use the evience before us to understand the issue at hand. only by understanding the issue could anyone offer you a remedy. however, you then became very precious, accusing people of calling you a liar - no-one did that, we simply asked for what happened on your system, because the story you told made no sense and your conclusions were fantasy.

 

no-one here knows what happened on your system. we can't see it, we do not have telekenisis powers. do not call people out for trying to help you fix stuff they had no part in breaking.

 

so please, furnish us with details of how your disk corrupted just a couple of files, but no others, i'm keen to understand that.

[Wererommel]

 

 

All this fuss, and no one has asked if I checked the disk for errors, in retrospect an obvious thing to do. I just checked C: and did find a number of errors. Did they cause the disaster? Possibly, but there is no way to be sure. The D: disk was error free, and that had both Skyrim and Vortex on it. However, the database was on C: (no way to change that). Unfortunately, the database is locked to users, so I can't examine it, much less fix any problems.

 

Looks like I'll have to forget about all those intact game files and start over, but not before I replace the C: disk.

I have identified two files in the AppData Vortex folder that were severely damaged. These were not essential files, and they were not part of the database, but it seems likely that the database files were damaged. It is the only explanation that fits all the facts.

 

I would caution you, in the future, not to assume that anyone brings you a problem here must have done something wrong.

 

what files? how were they damaged?

is the disk that stored these files ssid or hdd or hybrid? were you given any warnings about disk health?

 

i will ask again, what happened on your system that caused this, given that hard disks are quite resilient?

 

only you know what happened on your system. no-one else does and what you claimed about google installing malware that wrecked only your skyrim files is, well, complete rubbish. also your assertion that vortex simply deleted files without your knowledge is also complete rubbish. we tried to use the evience before us to understand the issue at hand. only by understanding the issue could anyone offer you a remedy. however, you then became very precious, accusing people of calling you a liar - no-one did that, we simply asked for what happened on your system, because the story you told made no sense and your conclusions were fantasy.

 

no-one here knows what happened on your system. we can't see it, we do not have telekenisis powers. do not call people out for trying to help you fix stuff they had no part in breaking.

 

so please, furnish us with details of how your disk corrupted just a couple of files, but no others, i'm keen to understand that.

 

You want more details? Fine.

[Wererommel]

Interesting. Having taken the plunge and rebooted Vortex with changes, I find my mods apparently still in place, but most of them disabled. Obviously, I will have to check this list very carefully, but the damage may be much less than I had assumed.

 

 

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

 

 

All this fuss, and no one has asked if I checked the disk for errors, in retrospect an obvious thing to do. I just checked C: and did find a number of errors. Did they cause the disaster? Possibly, but there is no way to be sure. The D: disk was error free, and that had both Skyrim and Vortex on it. However, the database was on C: (no way to change that). Unfortunately, the database is locked to users, so I can't examine it, much less fix any problems.

 

Looks like I'll have to forget about all those intact game files and start over, but not before I replace the C: disk.

I have identified two files in the AppData Vortex folder that were severely damaged. These were not essential files, and they were not part of the database, but it seems likely that the database files were damaged. It is the only explanation that fits all the facts.

 

I would caution you, in the future, not to assume that anyone brings you a problem here must have done something wrong.

 

what files? how were they damaged?

is the disk that stored these files ssid or hdd or hybrid? were you given any warnings about disk health?

 

i will ask again, what happened on your system that caused this, given that hard disks are quite resilient?

 

only you know what happened on your system. no-one else does and what you claimed about google installing malware that wrecked only your skyrim files is, well, complete rubbish. also your assertion that vortex simply deleted files without your knowledge is also complete rubbish. we tried to use the evience before us to understand the issue at hand. only by understanding the issue could anyone offer you a remedy. however, you then became very precious, accusing people of calling you a liar - no-one did that, we simply asked for what happened on your system, because the story you told made no sense and your conclusions were fantasy.

 

no-one here knows what happened on your system. we can't see it, we do not have telekenisis powers. do not call people out for trying to help you fix stuff they had no part in breaking.

 

so please, furnish us with details of how your disk corrupted just a couple of files, but no others, i'm keen to understand that.

 

You want more details? Fine.

 

thats a file - i'm not downloading it. thanks for the update though.