Syria

[Mohamed2001]

And Putin is saying they have evidence the "opposition" initiated the gas attack.

 

Are we having fun yet?

 

Okay okay, I am NOT defending el Assad, but that actually does make sense.

 

If you were living there, and your only ONLY option to live, was to attack someone, wouldn't you do it?

 

If the US didn't attack El Assad, the Opposition/Freedom Fighters Call them whatever you want, will probably DIE. (Yes, die)

 

(Capital words capitalized to make them stand out, not for rage)

 

 

 

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@Sukeban,

 

I would actually do that too. But the problem is, Russia ain't the Soviet Union. Russia still considers it's relation with the US.

 

 

 

 

-Mohamed

[Harbringe]

Senate Committee on Foriegn Relations approves strikes by 10 - 7 vote.

 

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021756113_syriacrisis05xml.html

[Mohamed2001]

I don't really think that they will cancel it even if everyone said "No". They will come up with something eventually.

 

 

-Mohamed

[JimboUK]

I don't really think that they will cancel it even if everyone said "No". They will come up with something eventually.

 

 

-Mohamed

 

Indeed, the decision has already been made, probably made before those weapons were used.

[sukeban]

Some of the preliminary whip counts have the resolution trailing badly in the House, with 200+ lean no votes to well under 100 lean yes votes. Pelosi has an enormous mountain to climb in order to reach 218, and it appears as though Republicans aren't going to do her many favors in terms of getting there. If the resolution passes, it will likely be owned by the Democrats and could represent a political disaster on many different levels. Of course, sometimes minds can change... especially when AIPAC is apparently launching its own shock-and-awe campaign against wavering legislators and Obama is planning some big address.

 

@Mohamed

 

You are right, of course, but I wonder if perhaps Russia wouldn't benefit from a more confrontational stance toward the West? The fall of the USSR didn't pay much of a dividend in terms of relations with the West; their empire simply fell apart and overnight NATO was expanding into their old republics, setting up radar and ABM sites. If you are Russia, the last twenty years have seen you geopolitically emasculated and completely encircled by American military bases, and now the West is busy sniping off your few remaining friends. The US might tell itself that it's just promoting world peace, but from a Russian perspective this probably just looks like pure Western aggression. I'd contend that the Cold War mentality never really left Washington, and that our politicians have grown so used to doing things unopposed that somewhere along the line they actually forgot that other nations have interests independent of our own. IMO, Russia doesn't have much to lose if it begins to reassert itself on the world stage. Maybe it could do a "good cop, bad cop" routine with China!

 

PS - What do you think the ultimate outcome of Syria will be?

Edited September 6, 2013 by sukeban

[Lisnpuppy]

especially when AIPAC is apparently launching its own shock-and-awe campaign against wavering legislators....

 

 

Ah...told you all the Israeli's had an interest in this one. :)

[Harbringe]

 

especially when AIPAC is apparently launching its own shock-and-awe campaign against wavering legislators....

 

 

Ah...told you all the Israeli's had an interest in this one. :smile:

 

 

Well this is going to be interesting. With 91% of Americans having voiced their oppposition to war with Syria and so far a majority of your representatives who have spoken on this voicing opposition or leaning in that direction , it will be a reality check for Americans if AIPAC manages to sway Congress into voting yes . I mean really how much evidence do you need to realize that your nation and those who lead it are owned by interests outside your country . Now that would be a moment of shock and awe for the American people.

 

Now on a different note . The Speakers of the lower and upper houses of the Russian Parliament approached Putin with a proposal to speak to the US Congress and asked that all Russian intelligence be made available to them . Its reported that Putin enthusiastically endorsed their plan and made all files available . So basically the Russian speakers with a small delegation are intending to present to the US Congress and the American people , their evidence as to why its not Assad that has been using chemical weapons and what has been the response from this side of the pond .

 

Speaker Boehner (Republican) has turned down their request , http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/04/russians-send-official-request-to-meet-with-u-s-congress/ . Now even this has not deterred them and they are determined to try every possible avenue in order to make their case but what's really abhorrent about this , is that in the land of the First Amendment such a thing can even happen . This is tantamount to saying in a murder case that the defense is not going to be allowed to present its case and thus the jury (the American people) will never be able to deliberate on it . The land of the free , really ya think so.

 

If it comes to pass that they are blocked from making their case and are forced to return home without having any meaningful dialogue , then they will go home with one message . There is no peace to be made with the Americans .And that will be a very bad day indeed.

 

UPDATE : Wow they can't get anyone to meet with them and have cancelled .

Edited September 6, 2013 by Harbringe

[Mohamed2001]

Some of the preliminary whip counts have the resolution trailing badly in the House, with 200+ lean no votes to well under 100 lean yes votes. Pelosi has an enormous mountain to climb in order to reach 218, and it appears as though Republicans aren't going to do her many favors in terms of getting there. If the resolution passes, it will likely be owned by the Democrats and could represent a political disaster on many different levels. Of course, sometimes minds can change... especially when AIPAC is apparently launching its own shock-and-awe campaign against wavering legislators and Obama is planning some big address.

 

@Mohamed

 

You are right, of course, but I wonder if perhaps Russia wouldn't benefit from a more confrontational stance toward the West? The fall of the USSR didn't pay much of a dividend in terms of relations with the West; their empire simply fell apart and overnight NATO was expanding into their old republics, setting up radar and ABM sites. If you are Russia, the last twenty years have seen you geopolitically emasculated and completely encircled by American military bases, and now the West is busy sniping off your few remaining friends. The US might tell itself that it's just promoting world peace, but from a Russian perspective this probably just looks like pure Western aggression. I'd contend that the Cold War mentality never really left Washington, and that our politicians have grown so used to doing things unopposed that somewhere along the line they actually forgot that other nations have interests independent of our own. IMO, Russia doesn't have much to lose if it begins to reassert itself on the world stage. Maybe it could do a "good cop, bad cop" routine with China!

 

PS - What do you think the ultimate outcome of Syria will be?

 

 

Now that you mention it, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if the US started to move on to other bigger countries. I wonder if Putin does know it's an aggression or not...

 

As for the outcome, multiple things:

 

A - Syria into Afghanistan.

 

B - Syria is still like it is now (Highly unlikely)

 

C - (Also Highly unlikely, but it's based on rumors) World War III

 

D - Syria into Egypt (Ruled by terrorists, then the terrorists are removed then what is happening now happens again, and the Syrian people will regret rebelling against Al Assad)

 

E - Syria to Afghanistan, then America moves on to bigger, stronger countries.

 

 

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Of course nobody will want to meet with them. They're afraid that this might ruin their plans for Syria.

 

(Sure sure, they can just bomb some areas or something like that, saying that Al Assad did that, but with the Russian evidence, will someone believe them?)

 

 

 

-Mohamed

[Lisnpuppy]

We aren't going to talk to Russia about anything right now. They still won't give up Snowden, right?

[JimboUK]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10291879/Syria-Russia-will-stand-by-Assad-over-any-US-strikes-warns-Putin.html

 

This could get messy, it looks like Obama may have found Putins red line.