Need for an open source patch for Fallout 4

[gnarly1]

What this thread actually is.

 

OP has been fighting with Arthmoor and other mod authors in the GMAD forum, in "THAT" thread, and now wants to make a Rival Unofficial Patch out of spite, as shown by his wording in the OP.

Not only that, the OP is a classic case of Nexus Mods Myopia.

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

Once it's ready for you to publish it, be sure to let everyone know so we can download it and demand constant updates, and of course, demand you publish it all under some copyrightless clause so that you don't actually have any say in when YOU get to say "I've had enough of this, I want to do something else" because WE want YOUR work 100% of the time, for free because we are ENTITLED to it.

 

Understand now?

 

Except for the part where you think open source means you are entitled to updates forever. The Linux kernel is "copyleft", and Linus Torvalds, the original author, could walk away from it whenever he wants. In fact he has at times, and has been "fired" a few times as well.

 

Just because someone chooses to use an alternate copyright (which is what copyleft is), one that grants permission to modify and share, does not mean that you can demand constant updates from them, or that they are forced to work on it forever. There is no copyright version anywhere that legalizes slavery.

 

Here: I hereby grant permission for anyone to download my Vault-Tec HQ settlement mod, to modify it to suit their needs, and to share it with their friends. You may not, however, use my works in commercial products, or charge money for it.

 

There, it's copylefted. You want updates? Piss off, I'll update it if and when I feel like it. You have ZERO right to demand I maintain it.

 

Don't lecture people on copyright if you don't actually understand it.

 

I understand copyright very well thank you. I also understand entitled, selfish and demanding mod users as well.

 

UFO4P isnt the linux kernel, so your analogy stops right there. Thanks for playing though.

 

I'll class you with all the other muppets who take an issue - don't understand it - make an analogy that shows their own lack of comprehension, and then use it as if it's one of the stones that held the ten commandments.

 

I think we're done here.

[mkr1977]

Here's why;

 

YOU want SOMEONE to basically rip it off under some bulls*** "open source/copyleft" clause

 

SNIP

 

Understand now?

 

No. I am not responsible for your hallucinations. I am not talking about ripping off any mod. If someone wants to contribute the code that they wrote themselves, they can. Who says that they can't?

 

 

 

There, it's copylefted. You want updates? Piss off, I'll update it if and when I feel like it. You have ZERO right to demand I maintain it.

 

Copyleft is not necessary for every mod, probably not even 95% of mods. But copyleft is optimum for a major bug patch mod. In the future I would strongly discourage anyone from contributing to a major bug patch mod that was not copyleft.

[wim95]

Who says that they can't?

 

Who says they want it?

You need it - You do it.

[HadToRegister]

Everyone knows about the Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch and its counterpart for Skyrim. With the controversy about mod collections, the Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch came close to being pulled from Nexus and the only reason that didn't happen was because of an agreement that the mod author had with stakeholders that had made contributions to the patch.

 

Because this patch is the starting point for many builds, it is important that there be an open source, copyleft, unofficial patch for Fallout 4. That mitigates the effects of a tantrum by any mod author pulling a mod with many downstream dependencies from the site. Copyleft means that any additional code made by other people can be integrated into the original, if it is good work.

 

The Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch has been under development for years, but it is not just the work of one man. How can we get an open source alternative up and running?

Why do something that's already established, and already in the works, with several years of work already put into it, why do that work all over again?

 

What a waste of time and resources.

 

Gather a team to put another modder "in their place" because you're mad at them, rather than get together a team and create something new and unique.

 

Wow.

 

If you want to show Arthmoor "What's what", then YOU do it, don't get innocent people involved in some "Feud Mod"

The Unofficial Patches are still available on the Nexus, and all of Arthmoors other mods are on AFKMods, NOTHING has gone away

 

I don't know what point you're trying to make here, but it only lives in your head, and rent-free too

 

Talk about "Tantrum"

[mkr1977]

 

Why do something that's already established, and already in the works, with several years of work already put into it, why do that work all over again?

 

What a waste of time and resources.

 

Gather a team to put another modder "in their place" because you're mad at them, rather than get together a team and create something new and unique.

 

Wow.

 

If you want to show Arthmoor "What's what", then YOU do it, don't get innocent people involved in some "Feud Mod"

The Unofficial Patches are still available on the Nexus, and all of Arthmoors other mods are on AFKMods, NOTHING has gone away

 

I don't know what point you're trying to make here, but it only lives in your head, and rent-free too

 

Talk about "Tantrum"

 

 

Settle down. I thought you were all for mod author's rights, in which case you should not be concerned with someone soliciting code from contributor's of existing bug patches. After all, the code belongs to them and you respect their right to control their own work, right?

 

Copyleft works very well with bug patches because it strongly stimulates continuation of the work, a point that you ignored. I am very happy here at Nexus and you are inconsolate. Who is having a tantrum?

[HadToRegister]

 

Settle down. I thought you were all for mod author's rights, in which case you should not be concerned with someone soliciting code from contributor's of existing bug patches. After all, the code belongs to them and you respect their right to control their own work, right?

 

Copyleft works very well with bug patches because it strongly stimulates continuation of the work, a point that you ignored. I am very happy here at Nexus and you are inconsolate. Who is having a tantrum?

 

 

There is no need for "Continuation of a work" that's still being worked on.

"Continuation of a work" means that the work on the original has ended.

What you're proposing is to start another mod of the same exact thing, which is pointless, and it's blatantly obvious WHY you're wanting to do it.

 

Nah, I'm not having a tantrum, it's called "Replicating work that has already been done" and wasting time.

 

What I was saying is, if you get a team together, make something that hasn't already been done, instead of replicating a mod that's being worked on for the past several years

 

What's the point of making the SAME thing?

Is it to take away downloads from someone you don't like or mad at?

That's not a good or mature reason to make a mod.

 

 

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

Here's why;

 

YOU want SOMEONE to basically rip it off under some bulls*** "open source/copyleft" clause

 

SNIP

 

Understand now?

 

No. I am not responsible for your hallucinations. I am not talking about ripping off any mod. If someone wants to contribute the code that they wrote themselves, they can. Who says that they can't?

 

 

 

There, it's copylefted. You want updates? Piss off, I'll update it if and when I feel like it. You have ZERO right to demand I maintain it.

 

Copyleft is not necessary for every mod, probably not even 95% of mods. But copyleft is optimum for a major bug patch mod. In the future I would strongly discourage anyone from contributing to a major bug patch mod that was not copyleft.

 

no hallucinations. i mean its right there on the screen in front of me. do you know what a hallucination is?

 

you want someone to do some work for YOU and YOU alone because YOU are singularly incapable of doing it yourself and you've got a bee in your bonnet because the penny dropped that a file could vanish into the ether and you'd be left bereft. forget the fact that you can make your own archive so that if the mod did simply up and vanish one day (its the internet, that is very hard to do), you'd have your own copy.

 

clown.

[mkr1977]

 

you want someone to do some work for YOU and YOU alone because YOU are singularly incapable of doing it yourself and you've got a bee in your bonnet because the penny dropped that a file could vanish into the ether and you'd be left bereft. forget the fact that you can make your own archive so that if the mod did simply up and vanish one day (its the internet, that is very hard to do), you'd have your own copy.

 

I didn't use it in most of my mod setups. See what I am saying about hallucinations? Not having UOF4P is not a show stopper.

 

I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and you two can keep seething.

[HadToRegister]

 

 

you want someone to do some work for YOU and YOU alone because YOU are singularly incapable of doing it yourself and you've got a bee in your bonnet because the penny dropped that a file could vanish into the ether and you'd be left bereft. forget the fact that you can make your own archive so that if the mod did simply up and vanish one day (its the internet, that is very hard to do), you'd have your own copy.

 

I didn't use it in most of my mod setups. See what I am saying about hallucinations? Not having UOF4P is not a show stopper.

 

I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and you two can keep seething.

 

 

 

LOL, nobody is "Seething"

 

But, there's some good news!

 

Since you already don't use the Unofficial Patch because it's not a showstopper, then there's no need for you to make one either!

Problem solved!