Vortex not saving how my new groups are set up in the plug-in section

[monesq]

I have created a whole new set of groups in order to properly manage my plug-ins. I have avoided using the standard groups by not assigning anything to those categories. When set-up, the whole thing works (yeah!) and my game runs without a hitch. When I reload Vortex after turning off my PC, some of the custom groups are not "attached" by a line to the other custom groups created, thus the load order is messed up. I can fix it by redoing the associations (drawing a line from one group to the other) but it is very annoying having to redo this order every time I play. Is there a way to save the way I have my custom groups set up??

 

Any assistance would be appreciated. I have attached a PNG file of the group assignments and connections.

[Guest deleted34304850]

thats not vortex, its loot.

after doing all that unnecessary work - what benefit do you get?

[Pickysaurus]

Once you have made the changes, go to C:\Users\{YOUR USERNAME}\AppData\Roaming\Vortex\fallout4 and check the userlist.yaml file.

 

Towards the bottom you should have a section called "groups" that looks something like this:

groups:
  - name: Trivial Smelters of Skyrim
    after:
      - Late Loaders
  - name: MLU Patches
    after:
      - Trivial Smelters of Skyrim
  - name: Merge Patches
    after:
      - MLU Patches
  - name: iWant Patches
    after:
      - Merge Patches
  - name: NPC Retextures
    after:
      - iWant Patches
  - name: Consistency Patches
    after:
      - NPC Retextures
  - name: Conflict Resolution
    after:
      - Consistency Patches
  - name: Leveled List Modifiers
    after:
      - Conflict Resolution
  - name: Arthmoor's Villages
    after:
      - Low Priority Overrides
  - name: High Priority Overrides
    after:
      - Arthmoor's Villages

Make sure the "After" data properly reference what you are seeing in the UI. If not, there might be a problem saving it.

[Tannin42]

Very interested in figuring out if this is a bug, but just in general: This is a spectacularly bad idea assigning all your plugins to custom groups.

Not only is it a lot of work but all existing group assignments have been done either by the mod authors themselves or very experienced users based on testing, it's extremely unlikely your custom assignments will be more stable. And finally: this will likely also increase the sorting time, possibly by a lot.

The LOOT order is perfect or close to perfect, you should see the plugin screen as a place to fine-tune, not to customize.

[monesq]

I have created a whole new set of groups in order to properly manage my plug-ins. I have avoided using the standard groups by not assigning anything to those categories. When set-up, the whole thing works (yeah!) and my game runs without a hitch. When I reload Vortex after turning off my PC, some of the custom groups are not "attached" by a line to the other custom groups created, thus the load order is messed up. I can fix it by redoing the associations (drawing a line from one group to the other) but it is very annoying having to redo this order every time I play. Is there a way to save the way I have my custom groups set up??

 

Any assistance would be appreciated. I have attached a PNG file of the group assignments and connections.

The benefit is that my large load order is running smoothly. Items that were missing from workshop menus reappeared even in an existing save game. Also, if I am having issues with a mod, it makes it easier to weed out problems in some cases.

[monesq]

thats not vortex, its loot.

after doing all that unnecessary work - what benefit do you get?

I did check the file as you suggested, thank you. The file has all the groups I created, thus I surmise that Vortex is not properly saving the file. If I make a copy of the file and this happens again, can I close out of Vortex and replace the then current file to fix the issue as opposed to redoing the list over again?

[monesq]

Pickysaurus I did check the file as you suggested, thank you. The file has all the groups I created, thus I surmise that Vortex is not properly saving the file. If I make a copy of the file and this happens again, can I close out of Vortex and replace the then current file to fix the issue as opposed to redoing the list over again?

 

I looked at the file more thoroughly. Although it has all the groups, it is not saving the group associations for about half of the groups. Just happened again (right now). This is frustrating. What could be causing this??

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

I have created a whole new set of groups in order to properly manage my plug-ins. I have avoided using the standard groups by not assigning anything to those categories. When set-up, the whole thing works (yeah!) and my game runs without a hitch. When I reload Vortex after turning off my PC, some of the custom groups are not "attached" by a line to the other custom groups created, thus the load order is messed up. I can fix it by redoing the associations (drawing a line from one group to the other) but it is very annoying having to redo this order every time I play. Is there a way to save the way I have my custom groups set up??

 

Any assistance would be appreciated. I have attached a PNG file of the group assignments and connections.

The benefit is that my large load order is running smoothly. Items that were missing from workshop menus reappeared even in an existing save game. Also, if I am having issues with a mod, it makes it easier to weed out problems in some cases.

you get that regardless of the groups you add. if you've lost menu's and all that nonsense, its because you've removed a mod from a live game - nothing to do with plugin groupings.

i really don't get the desire for people to do what you did and its counter-intuitive because it actually complicates things that don't need to be complicated.

to me its a fugazi - but if you think it works for you - then good luck.

[monesq]

Not to belabor the point as we are both entitled to our opinion, however, why would Vortex have adding groups as an option if it is not of any use? That makes no sense. As for your comment about removing mods, I have been doing this for awhile now and I have never removed a mod mid-playthrough, even if a mod author states that it is OK to do so. It was a conflict that I could not figure out because I have over 80 settlement mods. When I redid the groups and Loot sorted the mods (that time it did it with no issues) the menu items, namely the surgery and barber chair and some other items, showed up in the menus.

 

Now that I think about it, this happened after Vortex gave me the message that there was some sort of a problem and to either close the program, ignore or create some sort of save. Since then, I have been having this issue in that as I stated, when I first created these custom groups Loot did sort them as per the group order with no issues.

[Tannin42]

As I said: The option to add groups is there to allow fine-tuning.

And this isn't really about opinions, there are practical disadvantages to having a lot of custom groups, your life would definitively be easier if you worked with the system as intended instead of trying to circumvent it.

 

Is there a pattern between the groups that don't have their associations saved correctly? By pattern I mean something like "it's all the groups with a name longer than 20 characters" or "it's all the groups with a comma in their name"?

It it always the same groups every time you change them in Vortex or is it random?