Do Aliens Exist: The Great Debate

[QQuix]

Consider:

 

• An universe thriving with life. Curious minds will investigate the past to find out which one was the first intelligent race. And they find that, millions of years in the past, the first one was a strange race of bipeds from a planet that, at the time, they called Earth

 

• An universe with zillions of stars. Perfectly sterile . . . except for a little fungus in one of its corners.

[Ironman5000]

except for a little fungus in one of its corners.

Or, the circumstellar habitable zone present in many many corners.

[Thor.]

The habitable zone is fairly large, they literally found a 3 planets in a solar system in which they could be habitable,

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/found-3-super-earth-planets-could-support-alien-life-6C10439998

 

only 22 light years away as well, almost neighbors.

Edited August 19, 2013 by Thor.

[Lisnpuppy]

The same can be said about your point of view, if you can't see it, then why bother.

 

This debate should be closed.

Did you even read my other post where I said I DID believe but didn't see enough evidence that they were here? All I did Thor is ask why you requested something from someone and then changed your tactics. You didn't take the evidence Vagrant gave and respond to it...give evidence in kind or why his was problematic...you just flipped tactics. *shrug*

 

Perhaps your poll should include a "If you believe do you believe they have visited planet Earth?" As that seems to be the main thing you are discussing and would be interesting to see. As it is the poll is too limited and doesn't cover the things discussed.

[Thor.]

Actually i didn't see that post, but if you want you want me to change up the poll i will. maybe add a second tier.

 

If you want more evidence i could try to find more, though my knowledge this far is getting thin on what to bring to the table. :smile:

[JimboUK]

The habitable zone is fairly large, they literally found a 3 planets in a solar system in which they could be habitable,

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/found-3-super-earth-planets-could-support-alien-life-6C10439998

 

only 22 light years away as well, almost neighbors.

 

That is promising, the planet would also need a magnetic field to protect it from solar winds, just being in the goldilocks zone might not be enough. 22LY does sort of make us neighbours but that also underlines the problem with visiting aliens, it's a 44 year round trip at the speed of light, not only would our civilisations have to exist at the same time one would also have to have found a way to travel many times the speed of light, that greatly lengthens the odds of encountering anyone from there.

[Thor.]

We have warp drive, i mentioned this before, its just that it hasn't been tested on large scale yet.

 

 

 

http://www.space.com/21274-star-trek-warp-drive-physics.html

 

Probable speed of 10 times the speed of light without even moving. :dance:

Edited August 19, 2013 by Thor.

[JimboUK]

I mentioned the Alcubierre Drive in an earlier post, it's the same thing. It's has a serious drawback, it would likely blow up the planet we're visiting when the drive is disengaged, energy would collect in the field and the further we went the more energy would build up, when we stopped that energy would all escape at once making quite a mess. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/140635-the-downside-of-warp-drives-annihilating-whole-star-systems-when-you-arrive It wouldn't make us very popular with our "neighbours".

[Thor.]

Its been tested in small scale in nasa lab, they have actually made it work in lab form.

http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/09/19/matt-gurney-nasa-doesnt-just-think-warp-drive-is-possible-theyre-working-on-it/
We already have a deflector shield that works.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/159971-scientists-produce-star-trek-like-deflector-device-for-cancer-free-interplanetary-travel

 

With the deflector shield the warp bubble would be free to go, considering the warp field attracts particles at light speed, this would prevent such a thing from forming around the warp field. :geek: :geek:

 

Probably one reason why they haven't tested it out on the field yet, until the deflector shield gets a green light.

 

 

I think hes covering something up, he wouldn't let the host speak :ermm:

Edited August 19, 2013 by Thor.

[Maharg67]

 

HA HA, Typical vagrant0 response, maybe you can give us some hard evidence that aliens do not exist, instead of debating the facts :D

 

Ask yourself one simple question, If aliens were actually being caught on film since the 50's, then why would their physiology (height, shape of head, length of arms/legs, general proportions) vary so much in that time, even among supposed "official" images? The only logical explanation to this would be that rather than aliens actually changing over time, our own ability to make better and more believable special effects has increased. Even if there were multiple species, there would still be groupings of traits that could be classified towards that specific species... Instead what you see is a bit of a mishmash where what is shown is just fitting into some sort of vague alien thing with big head, big eyes, gaunt body.

 

 

@Vagrant0

 

I do not expect you, or anybody, to believe what I have written but hopefully just to question various easy assumptions such as projecting human logic onto something that is outside of that.

 

The supposed 'logical answer' that you have given has already been challenged by a series of theories (not facts!) that I have found or have worked out myself.

 

The ETs are not of one species but are various species.

 

The ETs have been adapting themselves to our world, going through a process of forced evolution using very advanced technologies, so as to try to enhance their chances of survival here; encounters have often been with prototype bodies that often failed.

 

Their actual world might, for instance, be one in which they dwell in some kinds of liquid that supports their bodies, including the heads, which could explain the false looking 'puppet like' movements of the head.

 

One interesting idea was that both ETs, and their flying-saucers, can not actually be picked up with any human form of human technological recording because they are here, but not totally here, being out of phase. Our brains can adjust input of data so that we actually see something solid but cameras can not do so; we partly see the truth but also 'create it'. In such case the actual recorded events may have all been altered to give some idea of what had taken place for archives, superiors, colleques etc. This would explain a 'fake' look of any alien. This would also explain why people see flying saucers but camera recordings only show blurry, undefined shapes.

 

The ETs are not humans so human logic simply may not not fit with them.

 

Please only positive responses!

Edited August 19, 2013 by Maharg67