I don't associate with Nazis

[oOtailspinOo]

As a Jew I am disturbed by the lack of empathy but not surprised. I am dismayed and insulted by the owner's comments. The symbol represents an ideology of hate. It promotes Neo Nazism and the white supremacy movement. I find the symbol to be very offensive. It serves no purpose but to hurt people.

[Lisnpuppy]

@oOtailspinOo

 

I think you made your opinion better known in a file upload thread. Let me quote it and put it in yellow so it is seen easily.

 

 

Yesterday, 11:59 PM

I have no tolerance for such symbols of HATE and this mod and now this website only encourages this type of hatred to continue. You should be ashamed of yourself and I encourage all Jews, blacks,Slavics, Chinese, people with red hair, freckles, twins, people with intellectual challenges and physical disabilities to NOT REMAIN SILENT.

As far as Dark0ne's pathetic explanation I couldn't care less what my lack of tolerance for hate symbols says about me. If I were him I would think about what his lack of empathy says about him.

In life you can close your eyes and pretend to not see, close you mind and try your best to forget about the unpleasantness of life or you can stand up and do something.

This post and website will be reported to every law enforcement agency in england and the usa, The Southern Poverty Law Center, The Anti-Defamation League and the Simon Wiesenthal Center... and YOUR ADVERTISERS.

I will also be reporting this to my university professor with whom I am studying the white supremacy movement within gaming communities and mental health.

I encourage the administration to reconsider their immature and narrow minded position.

By Dark0ne's own words, this is not a modders resource so it should be removed or should we expect more nazi mods here?

 

I will let Robin address your concerns.

[Werne]

To be honest, I see no problem with it, even if it is a Nazi symbol and even if the author openly admits it's a Nazi symbol. It's a work done for people who want it, and I don't see what's there to argue about? Nazis did a lot of monstrosities in ex-Yugoslavia and a lot of my relatives died in their concentration camps, my great-grandfather was in the partisans fighting them. While I don't like their agenda, I don't hate the swastika.

 

Personally, Nazis and their symbols/equipment are two different things, and I can't see a reason why everyone is so uptight about this. A year back I released a WWII German Iron Cross for Fallout 3 as a modders resource by request (Iron Cross was also something that is not a "Nazi symbol", it's been used for 800 years, it's just that this one actually is). I even did some work for the "More Evil Enclave" mod, which is basically a mod that turns the Enclave faction into WWII Nazis. Am I a Nazi? No. Do I like Nazis? No. Do I like their agenda? No. Did I get crap on my mods? No. Will I be yapping at Dark0ne and use the same kind of wording as the OP for allowing such tings? Absolutely not. It's all about what some people prefer, I don't have to be a Nazi to appreciate the beautiful crafting of an iron cross, and I don't have to go yap about a good looking outfit because there's a swastika on it, I'm not that stupid or ignorant.

 

So why is this a problem all of a sudden? And why are people so stubborn and ignorant that they won't admit that the swastika, iron cross, and many of the symbols used by Nazis during the Third Reich were just old symbols used hundreds of years ago?

 

Besides, author of that outfit likely didn't even use a Nazi symbol, those who actually studied the symbol will notice that the Nazi swastika is not the only one rotated by 45^o, and Nazis are not the first ones to use it at all, they were just the most widely known ones who used it. Take a good, hard look at the crafts made hundreds of years ago across the entire globe, you'll see a lot of identical swastika's on a lot of different things, done by a lot of different cultures, looong before Nazism even began to appear. It's a simple symbol, easy to draw, and may used it.

Edited October 30, 2013 by Werne

[rhowington]

My father was a World War II veteran who fought in the european theater, if he were alive today, he would be appalled. My parents always told me , "Ignorance is no excuse." and I don't believe it should be used in this mods context. However, though I find it offensive, censorship should be left to the downloaders. I would not and will not download this armor simply because of the symbol but I won't tell others on Nexus what they can or can't do.

[DrakeTheDragon]

So there really are people around here who make a bigger problem of the symbol being used in a PC game mod nowadays than the actual genocide and war crimes committed during WW2?!

Now, that's what they call blowing things out of proportion. I so want to believe that's not their intention, but they sure as hell come across like it is. And they think they're defending the victims...

 

Society, I pity you.

 

P.S.: I'm also feeling sorry for all actual WW2 victims whenever I see the term "grammar nazi" thrown around as if the 2nd word never had a meaning of its own.

[Pevey]

Has the Nexus staff considered that swastikas are outright banned in Germany? No discussion. No context. Even Wolfenstein was banned. I do think this is a more serious than the staff realizes. Hate speech is not a matter of freedom of expression and is not something any legitimate web site should condone.

[Dark0ne]

And now, a bit of information on the actual swastika used.

 

A simple Google search can reveal exactly where the author of the mod found the inspiration for his symbol: he's always claimed it was a Slavic swastika used before the Nazi period of Germany in his comments. A simple Google search for "Slavic swastika" comes up with an almost exact match for the style swastika used in the mod, here, if you're interested. I say almost exact match as the author has even gone so far as to change the rotation of the swastika. Compare the rotation of the Nazi swastika here with the rotation of his swastika in the mod here. They're not one and the same. His symbol is in the same setup as the Buddhist variant and not the Nazi variant. It is extremely clear that the author has consciously attempted to ensure he has NOT used a Nazi symbol. Here's a diagram he's made himself to show this.

 

As a compromise to this situation I have requested that the swastika be changed so it is no longer on the 45 degree tilt and no longer shares any basis with the Nazi version, irrespective of who used the tilted version first (history points to it being before the Nazi's rose to power, but getting people to understand that would be harder than jamming a fork in my eye). Once that's done the staff will be content to move on, wiping our hands clean of the situation and moderating the comments section of the mod like we would any other mod: no constructive criticism will equal deletions, warnings and maybe even bans depending on how stupid people behave.

[Dark0ne]

 

 

Has the Nexus staff considered that swastikas are outright banned in Germany? No discussion. No context. Even Wolfenstein was banned. I do think this is a more serious than the staff realizes. Hate speech is not a matter of freedom of expression and is not something any legitimate web site should condone.

 

If we had to censor our content based on the censorships that exist for specific content in specific countries around the world then we'd end up with very little content to show on the sites. I consider it a matter of principle.

[Pevey]

The decision has been taken, but in this situation I fear you've been a bit naive. And as this is now toeing the line, that will be my last word on this.

[greentea101]

There has been no evidence so far that the mod or its author have anything to do with Nazism, and I'm glad that the Nexus doesn't bow to pressure from the people who project their personal issues onto this situation.