showler Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 There's, like, seventeen different things on that page you linked to that shows that the Nexus is not at fault here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScytheBearer Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 There's, like, seventeen different things on that page you linked to that shows that the Nexus is not at fault here. And one which I believe says they are. "Businesses cannot deny goods or services, charge you a different price, or provide a different level or quality of goods or services just because you exercised your rights under the CCPA." Denying a user the ability to change their email address because they use tracking blockers qualifies as "a different level or quality" of service under the law. Requesting that a user disable their tracking blockers to change their email address further violates the law by denying users their protections under the law. But, I am willing to wait and see what California's Attorney General Office has to say on the subject. I asked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showler Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 First, you didn't quote the paragraph right below that one. Second, that assumes you "exercised your rights under the CCPA" and it is extremely questionable whether blocking a cookie needed to change your email address constitutes such exercise of rights. It's questionable whether the cookie is "personally identifiable information". It's questionable whether Black Tree collects information from at least 50000 California residents. And it's definitely apparent that the vast majority of that law deals with the selling of your information, which Black Tree categorically DOES NOT DO. I can guess what they are going to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I'm under the privacy law and I use tracker blockers. This will almost certainly be the cause of your problems. Addons like this block things indiscriminately. Try turning them off or add an exception for the "users.nexusmods.com" domain. California's Privacy Protection Act (summary) requires web sites to provide users with options necessary to control what and how cookies and data are collected. Under the law. users can control what data is collected, how the data is used, whether tracking cookies (cookies which follow you from site to site, tracking your interactions) were to be permitted to collect data and whether or not their data can be sold for fun or profit. Further, the law has a provision which states that businesses cannot discriminate against a user for exercising this control over their data. By way of example, I am currently blocking the following tracking cookies right here, right now: google-analytics.comgravatar.comwp.comfacebook.comapis.google.comconnect.facebook.netgstatic.comxx.fbcdn.netNow, telling a user that their blocking tracking cookies is why they can't change their Email Address smacks of discriminating against a user, under the conditions of the CA Law. Further, telling a user that they must disable their privacy protection software truly sounds like a discrimination against the user for availing themselves of the provisions of the law. But what the hell, Nexusmods doesn't comply with California Law, anyway. Last I heard, Robin's stance is that he and his company, BlackTree Gaming, could blithely ignore the laws in California, as California has no jurisdiction over a company in Exeter England. I wonder if California's Attorney General would agree? There is a online form here somewhere. Don't be a clown. What was said: Addons like this block things indiscriminately. Try turning them off or add an exception for the "users.nexusmods.com" domain. Adding an exception for our domain so the site actually works is by no means a breach of the CPPA and to suggest such is farcical, symbolic of your more cynical messages of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 There's, like, seventeen different things on that page you linked to that shows that the Nexus is not at fault here.And one which I believe says they are. "Businesses cannot deny goods or services, charge you a different price, or provide a different level or quality of goods or services just because you exercised your rights under the CCPA." Denying a user the ability to change their email address because they use tracking blockers qualifies as "a different level or quality" of service under the law. Requesting that a user disable their tracking blockers to change their email address further violates the law by denying users their protections under the law. But, I am willing to wait and see what California's Attorney General Office has to say on the subject. I asked them. this gets funnier by the day - you Americans are an endless source of mirth. I mean, seriously, how hard is it for you to educate yourself here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScytheBearer Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 First, you didn't quote the paragraph right below that one. Second, that assumes you "exercised your rights under the CCPA" and it is extremely questionable whether blocking a cookie needed to change your email address constitutes such exercise of rights. It's questionable whether the cookie is "personally identifiable information". It's questionable whether Black Tree collects information from at least 50000 California residents. And it's definitely apparent that the vast majority of that law deals with the selling of your information, which Black Tree categorically DOES NOT DO. I can guess what they are going to say. "tracking cookies". Read Pickysaurous' response, and the quoted material from the OP. Read my response. Comprehend. Internalize. We are talking about TRACKING COOKIES. Cookies that track you as you travel around the internet, collecting data about who you are, what sites you visit, what products or services you viewed, etc. Personal Data which is sold to advertising and marketing firms so they can target you with ads for similar products and services. So, stop with the strawman arguments which only serves to confuse and distract. But, let's consider. In a state with a population just under 40 MILLION living souls, you don't believe there are 50,000 Nexus users? If the number is 2 in every 1000 (1 in 500) Californians being nexus users, that's 80,000 users. I suspect that 80.000 is conservative. Maybe BlackTree Gaming doesn't directly sell information. They do however permit the collection of data by other companies, via Tracking Cookies; data which is then sold to other business entities outside Blacktree Gaming and their immediate associates. So, ... by concatenation, Blacktree Gaming does permit the selling of information collected about their users. Now, once again, stop with the strawman arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScytheBearer Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I'm under the privacy law and I use tracker blockers. This will almost certainly be the cause of your problems. Addons like this block things indiscriminately. Try turning them off or add an exception for the "users.nexusmods.com" domain. California's Privacy Protection Act (summary) requires web sites to provide users with options necessary to control what and how cookies and data are collected. Under the law. users can control what data is collected, how the data is used, whether tracking cookies (cookies which follow you from site to site, tracking your interactions) were to be permitted to collect data and whether or not their data can be sold for fun or profit. Further, the law has a provision which states that businesses cannot discriminate against a user for exercising this control over their data. By way of example, I am currently blocking the following tracking cookies right here, right now: google-analytics.comgravatar.comwp.comfacebook.comapis.google.comconnect.facebook.netgstatic.comxx.fbcdn.netNow, telling a user that their blocking tracking cookies is why they can't change their Email Address smacks of discriminating against a user, under the conditions of the CA Law. Further, telling a user that they must disable their privacy protection software truly sounds like a discrimination against the user for availing themselves of the provisions of the law. But what the hell, Nexusmods doesn't comply with California Law, anyway. Last I heard, Robin's stance is that he and his company, BlackTree Gaming, could blithely ignore the laws in California, as California has no jurisdiction over a company in Exeter England. I wonder if California's Attorney General would agree? There is a online form here somewhere. Don't be a clown. What was said: Addons like this block things indiscriminately. Try turning them off or add an exception for the "users.nexusmods.com" domain. Adding an exception for our domain so the site actually works is by no means a breach of the CPPA and to suggest such is farcical, symbolic of your more cynical messages of late. Ad hominems? Really? From the man who routinely scolds people from such childish and churlish behaviors. Well, my turn. Tread carefully, Robin. This discussion is discoverable, and your attitude and position can be clearly discerned from your comments. The discussion is about blocking tracking cookies, not site cookies. If you and yours are going to claim that it is the fault of a tool blocking tracking cookies, it is up to YOU to demonstrate that the tool is interfering with your cookie, and not simply dismiss the user and his complaint out of hand with imprecise "Addons like this block things indiscriminately". PROVE IT. Provide evidence. Reference a trouble ticket with the vendor. Anything else from you and yours is just so much self serving clptrap. Now, let us both wait patiently and see what the California Office of the Attorney General has to say on whether telling users they must disable their security software blocking tracking cookies to use your site constitutes a breach of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Now, let us both wait patiently and see what the California Office of the Attorney General has to say on whether telling users they must disable their security software blocking tracking cookies to use your site constitutes a breach of the law.I, for one, cannot wait. I'm sat here with my popcorn, ready to go. I've never anticipated something so much since Rings of Power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showler Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I do love the way they are assuming that the OP spoke with the most incredibly clear and specific language when they said "tracker blocker" and it is in no way possible that the OP is just blocking all cookies from the site entirely. Totally worth involving the CA Attorney General before clarifying what this is actually about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScytheBearer Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I do love the way they are assuming that the OP spoke with the most incredibly clear and specific language when they said "tracker blocker" and it is in no way possible that the OP is just blocking all cookies from the site entirely. Totally worth involving the CA Attorney General before clarifying what this is actually about. Another strawman, really? "Tracker blocker" may be new to you, but some are very aware of what are, and what happens with, tracking cookies. "Tracker blocker" has a very specific meaning when the discussion is about the internet. Now, at this point, your continued strawman arguments and the gratuitous insults accompanying them border on harassment. Stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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