Cartogriffi Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 I don't think this is a good idea. Not fair to people who work hard to get permission. A rules change like this would not be retroactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickysaurus Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 @jcummings224: Please do not spam this thread. If you want to add more and you're the last person who posted, just edit your last post. I've cleaned up the multiple comments you posted one after the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartogriffi Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 I wanted to thank everyone who has responded, it has been extremely helpful to get everyone's opinions. We're narrowing our focus this week, and have a specific question we're looking into. I touched on this earlier and some have already answered, but just to shine the spotlight on it here: When permissions are contradictory, should we prioritize the permissions as written on the mod, or unverified discussion via PM or Discord? For the purposes of this question, "written on the mod" can refer to the description, mod comments, or permission tab. We also accept explicit comments may be provided as exceptions to any general permissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcelandicPsychotic Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 When permissions are contradictory, should we prioritize the permissions as written on the mod, or unverified discussion via PM or Discord?If a mod author truly cares about his work he/she would keep the mod page updated so I say go with what's written on the mod page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianora Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I wanted to thank everyone who has responded, it has been extremely helpful to get everyone's opinions. We're narrowing our focus this week, and have a specific question we're looking into. I touched on this earlier and some have already answered, but just to shine the spotlight on it here: When permissions are contradictory, should we prioritize the permissions as written on the mod, or unverified discussion via PM or Discord? Depends on what we mean by "written on the mod page". There's a massive amount of mod authors who skip setting proper permissions, so I wouldn't call the preset Permission Box "written". If the mod author has actually written something on the permission tab or the mod page, I think that should always take presedence. If the idea was to improve the reputation of the platform, unverified PM screenshots shouldn't be counted. There will always be lots of people who think the screenshots are faked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartogriffi Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 I wanted to thank everyone who has responded, it has been extremely helpful to get everyone's opinions. We're narrowing our focus this week, and have a specific question we're looking into. I touched on this earlier and some have already answered, but just to shine the spotlight on it here: When permissions are contradictory, should we prioritize the permissions as written on the mod, or unverified discussion via PM or Discord? Depends on what we mean by "written on the mod page". There's a massive amount of mod authors who skip setting proper permissions, so I wouldn't call the preset Permission Box "written". If the mod author has actually written something on the permission tab or the mod page, I think that should always take presedence. If the idea was to improve the reputation of the platform, unverified PM screenshots shouldn't be counted. There will always be lots of people who think the screenshots are faked. Excellent point. For this question, anything provided by the mod author on the mod page would count as "written on the mod," including the permissions tab. However, we do prioritize explicit author statements in the description/comments above the permissions tab. I'll edit my post to clarify, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 I wanted to thank everyone who has responded, it has been extremely helpful to get everyone's opinions. We're narrowing our focus this week, and have a specific question we're looking into. I touched on this earlier and some have already answered, but just to shine the spotlight on it here: When permissions are contradictory, should we prioritize the permissions as written on the mod, or unverified discussion via PM or Discord? Depends on what we mean by "written on the mod page". There's a massive amount of mod authors who skip setting proper permissions, so I wouldn't call the preset Permission Box "written". If the mod author has actually written something on the permission tab or the mod page, I think that should always take presedence. If the idea was to improve the reputation of the platform, unverified PM screenshots shouldn't be counted. There will always be lots of people who think the screenshots are faked. Excellent point. For this question, anything provided by the mod author on the mod page would count as "written on the mod," including the permissions tab. However, we do prioritize explicit author statements in the description/comments above the permissions tab. I'll edit my post to clarify, thank you! A fair few authors don't fill out the permissions tab..... and it defaults to very closed permissions... I would think a PM authorization would take precedence over permissions on the page...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartogriffi Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 A fair few authors don't fill out the permissions tab..... and it defaults to very closed permissions... I would think a PM authorization would take precedence over permissions on the page...... My concern with unverified PMs is it effectively means that any port displaying permissions is immune from takedowns barring a DMCA request. This is very close to the situation we had at launch, and the end result were a lot of mod authors unhappy about theft on the platform, but also refusing to submit DMCAs. And in many ways, this led to the lasting reputation that Bethesda.net Mods is full of stolen content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartogriffi Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 Among mod authors, opinions have been decidedly mixed on our proposal. And those raising concerns have been especially concerned about older titles. What if we continued to accept screenshot perms for mods listed with "ask for approval" and the like? This doesn't help with the default very closed permissions, but it may be a viable middle ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deleted34304850 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 A fair few authors don't fill out the permissions tab..... and it defaults to very closed permissions... I would think a PM authorization would take precedence over permissions on the page...... My concern with unverified PMs is it effectively means that any port displaying permissions is immune from takedowns barring a DMCA request. This is very close to the situation we had at launch, and the end result were a lot of mod authors unhappy about theft on the platform, but also refusing to submit DMCAs. And in many ways, this led to the lasting reputation that Bethesda.net Mods is full of stolen content. but surely bethesda didn't help themselves along, not one bit - because they made it so difficult for mod authors who were victims of very obvious theft, to rectify the situation. was it not true that many mod authors who saw their work stolen were banned off the platform, when their frustration with bethesda intransegence hit a limit? the reputation of the platform exists because bethesda failed spectacularly to change it. what was it that bethesda chased when they started their platform up? i'm sure it wasn't infamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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