Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 ."(ideas accepted and qualified for revision)" But that is exactly what you just said not too long ago. And what is this about written proof abut the tooth fairy. (remeber: in your opinion proof is just a theory.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Theta. look at the development of the bible. It was not just written by some dude. it was written over a time span of thousands of years by many different people that had no idea who some people where and wrote about them. Another thing is that the bible does not contradict itself. therefore God must exist. And the proof is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 ."(ideas accepted and qualified for revision)" But that is exactly what you just said not too long ago. And what is this about written proof abut the tooth fairy. (remeber: in your opinion proof is just a theory.)The tooth fairy exists. I have seen it. I watched it create the universe. The tooth fairy is not the christian god, and did not cooperate with the christian god in any way to make the universe. This is absolute law told to me by the tooth fairy. This is the exact same proof that we have for god. If you believe that god exists and created the universe, you must also believe that the tooth fairy exists and created the universe. Of coures believeing both will be kind of difficult, but it's not my fault you want to believe in something with so many contradictions.look at the development of the bible. It was not just written by some dude. it was written over a time span of thousands of years by many different people that had no idea who some people where and wrote about them. Translation: if something is old and had lots of authors, it is true. I assume you also worship the ancient greek gods and accept all their myths as true? How do you resolve the contradiction between genesis and the greek creation myth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Fun though this is, let's not take this any further into religious territory, since religious debates are, after all, officially banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 The universe is thousands off years old. you are not. Second in your opinion that proof is not fact because you think everything is theory, which that in itself is a theory. Third God has never contradicted himself. If you can find book chapter and verse in the bible when it contradicts itself, reply. I would love to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 i am sorry i added to this religiouse debate after you said to stop. i was replying to Peregrine when you posted that. I alsowant to thank you both for tolorating each others comments and not flaming. it's always good to have an intellectual converstain when nobody at school can comprehend you. Mabey we could continue this in a new thread if it is alright with the moderators. Have a nice day! :grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 look at the development of the bible. It was not just written by some dude. it was written over a time span of thousands of years by many different people that had no idea who some people where and wrote about them. Translation: if something is old and had lots of authors, it is true. I assume you also worship the ancient greek gods and accept all their myths as true? How do you resolve the contradiction between genesis and the greek creation myth? Another thing is that the bible does not contradict itself. therefore God must exist. And the proof is true. If you can find book chapter and verse in the bible when it contradicts itself, reply. I would love to see that. *dies laughing* You were joking, right? You can't possibly mean that seriously. Have you even read the bible? *dies laughing again* Lets see... 1) In genesis, god creates night and day before he creates the sun. Given our understanding of the universe, how is it possible to have night and day without the sun? 2) Please resolve the contradictions between the following genealogies, both stated as equally absolute truth: Genealogy, according to Matthew: * 1 Christ * 2 Joseph * 3 Jacob * 4 Matthan * 5 Eleazar * 6 Eliud * 7 Achim * 8 Sadoc * 9 Azor * 10 Eleakim * 11 Abiud * 12 Zorobabel * 13 Salathiel * 14 Jechonias * 15 Josias * 16 Amon * 17 Manasses * 18 Ezekias * 19 Achaz * 20 Joatham * 21 Ozias * 22 Joram * 23 Josaphat * 24 Asa * 25 Abia * 26 Roboam * 27 Solomon * 28 David Genealogy, according to Luke: * 1 Christ * 2 Joseph * 3 Heli * 4 Matthan * 5 Levi * 6 Melchi * 7 Janna * 8 Joseph * 9 Mattathias * 10 Amos * 11 Naum * 12 Esli * 13 Nagge * 14 Maath * 15 Mattathias * 16 Semei * 17 Joseph * 18 Juda * 19 Joanna * 20 Rhesa * 21 Zerobabel * 22 Zalathiel * 23 Neri * 24 Melchi * 25 Addi * 26 Cosam * 27 Elmodam * 23 Er * 29 Jose * 30 Eleizer * 31 Jorim * 32 Matthat * 33 Levi * 34 Simeon * 35 Juda * 36 Joseph * 37 Jonan * 38 Eleakim * 39 Melea * 40 Menan * 41 Mattatha * 42 Nathan * 43 David 3) Please explain the contradiction between the following lines:Acts 9:7 it is said that those journeying with Saul of Tarsus to Damascus "heard the voice that spoke to Saul, but saw no man" Acts 22:9 "They that were with me beheld indeed the light, but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me." 4) According to the following lines, god has been both seen and never seen. John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time" Exodus 24:10, Moses, Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu and 70 of the Elders of Israel "They saw the God of Israel." Isaiah 6:1: "I saw the Lord." Exodus 34:28, "And he was there with the Lord 40 days and 40 nights." In the third chapter of Exodus God appeared to Moses, and the whole five books telling the history of Moses leadership of the Jews is full of conversations with God. But since the bible has no errors, I'm sure explaining these will not be very difficult. ----------------- The universe is thousands off years old. you are not. How many classes did you fail in school? Do you honestly not know that the universe is a lot older than thousands of years old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Given what theta said i cannot respond on this thread the first part. Second. I do not believe that the world has existed for billions of years. That is man's opinion which is theory and is missing many factors to even be thought of as real and fact. The opinion i go by is much higher than man's. Given again what theta said, i cannot go further sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 My time here is up. it was nice talking with you Peregrine, and theta. i hope we can talk tommoro. But ofcourse tommoro quite possibly doesn't exist according to Peregrine who never justified herself on that part of fact and theory. poor Poor Peregrine. Have a good evening :wink2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Given what theta said i cannot respond on this thread the first part. [email protected] Email me a copy of your counter-argument. Or give it to me on AIM (Admiral Parke, if you don't know how to look at my forum profile). Until then, I will have to assume that you are just using that as an excuse not to reply to what you know is a fatal argument against your case. Concession accepted. Second. I do not believe that the world has existed for billions of years. That is man's opinion which is theory and is missing many factors to even be thought of as real and fact. The opinion i go by is much higher than man's. Given again what theta said, i cannot go further sorry. And it's your right to ignore the evidence and believe what you want. Just don't expect to be taken seriously if you try to present your beliefs as fact, because that's all they are. Beliefs without any facts behind them. Concession accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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