what kind of government is better?

[bobobos]

Last debate was interesting soo this time im going for this topic.

 

The topic in few words is what type of goverment you think is better (technocracy,democracy,comunism,capitalims....) and their pros and cons (obligatory ,theres no perfect system).

 

For easy and no external interfirence we will imagine is a world whit 1 goverment ,2 if needed to give an example of external implications.

 

Please keep civil and respect each other opinion or at least give a good argument against the opinio given.

 

(Sorry about my bad english). :confused:

 

(edit:You can mix goverments system if you think a combination of them will give a more stable (or interesting) system.

[Pagafyr]

The government of Kids is the best one.

All the men and women who call their children Kids are the government, by the parents, of the parents, by the children, for the children, of the Goat Herd Keepers family for the Goats and for their baby goats, known as Kids.

Kids originated on land and adopted a starving being. The starving people survived and became known as a David, so called because the people given goat milk, made the sound when trying to talk like their savior. A Nanny that gave the being her goat babies milk to help him survive. He became a man and defended his foster nanny Goat and followed the laws of nature to serve the Goats.

The first David started out as a protector of the goats. And when the days came he protected his life givers, the Goats from harms way using his talent with a sling type catapult. He knocked down the wolves trying to steal baby goats and weak Goats from the herd. He knocked down a giant trying to rule the people of David, demanding tribute from the goat herds. He knocked down the giant with the same sling catapult he used to knock down the wolves too. Later he built a better bigger sling catapult and knocked down the walls of the evil beings who stole his family of goats, because they ganged up on him and stole the Goat's Kids to enslave them. The sling catapult launched huge stones at the walls of the city and knock down the walls of Jerry Rigcom.

So by his rule the world knows him for saving all their baby goats from the Evil City People and restored peace in the among the Angora Goats David, which was a village that picked up their mobile home united and followed the Goats along their journey to the Goats Holy grounds where the Goats traveled each year as part of their routines.

The people known as Davids made him King. The people of the Evil City still try and stop them causing War between the Goat Herd keepers and all those who have become bums living in the Evil City of thieves, malcontent's, and politicians. The Evil City sanctions soldiers to go out and try to stop the natural journey of the Goat Herds that the Davids follow. The people known as Davids continue to protect and make sure the Goats travel to and from their hallowed places safe from predators along the hallowed journey.

If your parent's call you Kids you are likely a descendant of the David family because he eventually met a maiden who took the name Nanny, when they married. So called David Nanny from that day on. She had seven children.

 

So his family continues to follow and protect the Angora Goats and has since the day they saved him because a Nanny Goat adopted him and shared her baby goat milk with him. The people called Davids continue to roam the ranges where the Angora Goats live along the mountains. The Davids protect and follow the Angora throughout their lifetimes moving through those mountain ranges in meadows on land below when the seasons serve their needs.

What food do goats eat?[/size]

 

Goats will eat hay, grasses, weeds, grain, and sometimes even tree bark

 

[RexDarvog]

I don't make many political posts, but I'll share my thoughts since you've asked. Apologies if I go off-topic and write long lecturing paragraphs. I tend to do that.

Also, I'm not a political type of person, I'm just an artist. I like to stay politically neutral most of the time, and I only speak in cautiously optimistic terms because I don't have a degree in Political Science.


I think the best government is probably one that respects and listens to the people it governs, cares enough about them, and makes a reasonable, whole-hearted attempt to help them out. A con to that ideal government is that it isn't achievable when there are many fires to put out and not enough resources to pull from until everyone is satisfied.

Take for example, my local government. I've been living in my house for three years with a basement that constantly floods from storm water surging through the sewer system and leaving human waste decaying in my house. Lots of other folks have this problem. The public sewer system laid here in post-war suburbia is still connected to the storm drains. Every rainstorm brings in more water and fresh sewer. This city is a dump compared to its neighbors. A Shell station and a hot dog/hamburger joint are the only reasons people visit the town. There are no cinemas, no parks, and barely any honest paying work. Not a lot of resources for some dumpy little city to lay brand-new sewer lines that aren't collectively over 150 years old. I understand why my local government can't do anything about the problem that everyone has, but I'm still annoyed that they won't help.


Now I'd say the best system realistically would have a little democracy and a little socialism involved. Nothing too crazy like free college, but something that helps people generally move forward in life. Sort of like handing people a shovel and helping them dig their way out of the hole. I'll also share a few socialistic ideas that could benefit a large group of people: First, to make utilities free in a certain sense. Second, some free public healthcare given to folk from birth until death. No filling out forms and waiting for a response, no situations where you don't have healthcare and are hospitalized. Lastly, and most importantly, paving sidewalks alongside every single road.

Why the sidewalks, you might ask? I couldn't tell you how difficult it was to be in a wheelchair; Actually, yes, I can. It was difficult to be in a wheelchair for three months, unable to walk. Nothing was made easy for handicapped folk. You think it is, but it isn't. I couldn't travel out of my home even if I had a ramp because the sidewalks in town are 70 years old with traditional granite curbs. They're lifted four feet off the ground, some are broken up and have grass grown in between, some don't exist, some lead to a dead end, and most of them are left to the homeowner to maintain. Let's just say they don't get repaired until about.. never.

So a pro in this realistic government is that they would repair all sidewalks or whenever the road also gets repaired. A simple solution would be to grind it down flat and pave asphalt over the top like the road, just so a wheelchair can roll through. They would also build a trans-continental sidewalk with at least one path connecting all streets. A con for that type of government is that they would likely prioritize public transportation. You wouldn't need a sidewalk around your town at that point, but you couldn't walk or wheel safely from New York to San Francisco.

Well, those are my thoughts that I'm willing to share. I have more, but I don't want to bore you all. Thanks for reading.

[Oblivionaddicted]

The best government is the one that has no choice but to serve people thanks to the separation of powers.

 

To make sure the government serves their rights people should make sure the politicians have everything to lose and nothing to win in doing anything else which requires:

-the same financing for all the parties

-forbidding any cumulation of powers

-financial transparency

-automatically suspending anyone whose honety is not guaranteed

-independent medias which means preventing the government from controlling the non-public through grants and preventing the simultaneous ownership of a company and a media

-an independent justice

-penalties that depend of the facts instead of the power ratios

-equitable penalties

[MrJoseCuervo]

I think the best government is one that keeps control of the basic necessities like military, infrastructure and enforcing laws etc but stays our of the societal / cultural issues.

 

Libertarian Meritocracy

[Oblivionaddicted]

I think the best government is one that keeps control of the basic necessities like military, infrastructure and enforcing laws etc but stays our of the societal / cultural issues.

 

Libertarian Meritocracy

In other words the government that only keeps what it needs to make a coup d'état or a purge.

[ScytheBearer]

Government by assassination.

 

Every politician, every bureaucrat, every justice, every civil servant, currently serving in any office, is subject to assassination, at any time, by any citizen. Assassination is legal, and serves instead of elections. Anyone can take any office they want, and become immediately eligible to be assassinated.

A citizen, one who is allowed to assassinate any office holder, is anyone who has served four or more consecutive years in any public office.

[bobobos]

I for my part i think is a mix of meritocracy, democrazy and Algocracy (Rule by ai)

 

Why i think this way and how i think it will work:

1. Humanity is humanity aka we are emotional. A lot of times we govern more with the heart than with the head, that means we take both good and bad decision folowing our moral code that being more good or bad.That means that a lot of decisions become if i say it contminated with personal or political interests. Thats were the ai enters, only making logical decisions or at least exposing the unlogical ones .
2. Representatives are chosen from the people to both expose ideas and vote if they are aproved around a central system that in real time both retrasmite the decision taken and explain whiout the political parafinalia then is analiced by the computer see the outcome of each decision and the posible outcome and then is once again voted.
3. Here im going to get a little hate (or maybe a lot):Each person who wants to vote to select a represantative must work for the comunity 2-4 years privated of both remuneration (that mean the goverment will pay and background (aka no dady/momy child) and the goverment must make site to you to work that mean if you are blind, mute, paraplegic, or have some mental problem but want to vote the goverment will make a job only for you soo you must for 2-4 year work whit help of another individual who will help you daily needs, unless you are incapale of undestanting the both privilege and reponsibility that that means. You can drop wenever you want but you only get 1 chance.(love that movie and the system (yes is was satire both the book and the movie))

Downsides

 

like alway theres no perfect system :

1. Who will make the ai and is not bias :confused:
2. Corruption dah :dry:
3. Im sure some elite people will put the people that thye like in heaven and the person the hate in hell making a power grab very easy (like today) :sad:

[MrJoseCuervo]

 

I think the best government is one that keeps control of the basic necessities like military, infrastructure and enforcing laws etc but stays our of the societal / cultural issues.

 

Libertarian Meritocracy

In other words the government that only keeps what it needs to make a coup d'état or a purge.

 

Anti-Karenism would be a better description.

[HeyYou]

 

 

I think the best government is one that keeps control of the basic necessities like military, infrastructure and enforcing laws etc but stays our of the societal / cultural issues.

 

Libertarian Meritocracy

In other words the government that only keeps what it needs to make a coup d'état or a purge.

 

Anti-Karenism would be a better description.

 

But that's discriminatory against Karens........