what kind of government is better?

[gnarly1]

Government by assassination.

 

Every politician, every bureaucrat, every justice, every civil servant, currently serving in any office, is subject to assassination, at any time, by any citizen. Assassination is legal, and serves instead of elections. Anyone can take any office they want, and become immediately eligible to be assassinated.

 

A citizen, one who is allowed to assassinate any office holder, is anyone who has served four or more consecutive years in any public office.

A form of government that rewards and entrenches psychopaths and psychopathic tendencies. You didn't think that one through very carefully did you?

[dragonking2023]

Athenian democracy/ Direct democracy.

 

Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without elected representatives as proxies.

 

A system geared toward middle class, not for the upper class, their lobbies, and their puppets lower and other proxies used by the elites.

 

 

Representative Democracies are pseudo democracies, so is the democrook party, liberalcrooks and so on they all serve their masters at very top. You just have to follow the money to grasp it. All their politics where pioneered by the very top, and are guided by the top.

 

 

Follow the money is the golden rule and conflict of interest, revolving doors ect.

 

 

The classic right, not the new, serve more the middle class, but still in representative democracy the deal is known.

Edited August 11, 2023 by dragonking2023

[7531Leonidas]

But, once again, in this age of social media/yellow journalism, all you will get from a direct democracy is governance by the panicked mob, especially since the social media is very heavily biased in favor of urban areas/dwellers. The more rural areas would have no recourse to protect themselves, which, BTW is the reason that the Constitutional Convention updated/replaced everything with a representative republic. However, the direct election of US senators, instead of legislative election/appointment, sort of threw things out of balance a bit in that respect.

[McCog]

Meritocracy? Like the meritocracy involved in military and other fedgov equipment design and procurement? The sort of 'critical mindedness' that both decries climate change skeptics while stating that storms, floods, heat waves, sea level rise, etc. are increasing to the point of disaster, while both NOAA and the IPCCC both have statements out saying there is no evidence of a connection? The fact that one of the major drivers of Covid vaccine 'misinformation' was the inability/unwillingness of the gov. and vax manufacturers to publicly post ALL information in a near real-time mode, b/c some of the information might be unfavorable?

 

Nope, no one can define 'merit' in a political sense, any more than any government can define 'misinformation' or conduct a complete cost/benefit analysis.

Do you even know what meritocracy means?

[McCog]

 

Meritocracy? Like the meritocracy involved in military and other fedgov equipment design and procurement? The sort of 'critical mindedness' that both decries climate change skeptics while stating that storms, floods, heat waves, sea level rise, etc. are increasing to the point of disaster, while both NOAA and the IPCCC both have statements out saying there is no evidence of a connection? The fact that one of the major drivers of Covid vaccine 'misinformation' was the inability/unwillingness of the gov. and vax manufacturers to publicly post ALL information in a near real-time mode, b/c some of the information might be unfavorable?

 

Nope, no one can define 'merit' in a political sense, any more than any government can define 'misinformation' or conduct a complete cost/benefit analysis.

 

You can't have a genuine meritocracy without equality of opportunity, a child from a stable wealthy family who attends a good school should do well, now take that same child and place him in a impoverished broken home and a bad school, it's very unlikely he'll do as well no matter how hard he tries.

 

The point of meritocracy is to make sure that those who seek office have the basic knowledge of how to do their job. It has nothing to do with the education system or wealth. Keeping idiots out of office would prevent political puppetry.

[McCog]

This video of a college lecture gives great details on how a government might fail.

[7531Leonidas]

Hey, User, fair point, but the problem is one of who defines the criteria for merit. In any system that I can think of, or am remotely familiar with, those with advantages always seek to preserve those advantages for their offspring and trusted circle, for obvious reasons of security and stability.

[showler]

The best system is the one that hasn't existed long enough for anyone to corrupt it.

 

Rotating government systems, change every ten years,

 

More seriously, I'd like to see a system that takes away any advantages to the incumbent and eliminates seniority.

[7531Leonidas]

Yeah, but the advantages of the incumbent include the ability to get 'goodies' for the locals. How are you going to get ppl on board with that?

 

I once thought that letting the respective legislative bodies in the U.S. only use seniority for the highest/most powerful committee leadership, then some sort of random/weighted selection system for the committee assignments might help.

 

Here in the U.S., we have been back-and-forth over the process called 'earmarks' for years, where individual members can insert funds for specific projects into the final appropriations. Never has had much of a chance of being stopped, b/c the legislators just reestablish it the next session.

[showler]

By taking away the ability of the incumbent to get "goodies". No seniority in Committee assignments, rotating positions that give everyone equal access.

 

NOBODY in a committee needs experience. That's what their staff is for.