Vortex automatically resorts mods that were sorted in Wrye Smash

[Frazzlesnap]

This problem has been getting worse over time. I have learned that, if I allow Vortex to autosort, I end up with an unusable, unstable, messy crapshoot of a game (Fallout 4, Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim SE). If I use rules, it blatantly ignores them. For instance, I have Rainforest.esp loading before several mods that depend upon it, then all those before my Bashed patch. As soon as I open Vortex, it moves Rainforest.esp AFTER everything else, even though I made rules in Vortex for it to load the modifying esps after Rainforest.esp. It does this for all sorts of plugins, and the game is now a mess. I had a perfectly stable, manually sorted load order for my 1223 plugins, but, a few days ago, Vortex decided to reorder things itself. I have autosort disabled. I disabled it years ago. I used to be able to fix the load order by closing Vortex and fixing it in Wrye. Now, after I make those changes, even if I leave Wrye open, Vortex re-shuffles some plugins to load in ridiculous order, breaking my saves. I am absolutely sick of this. Why can't I drag and lock a load order? Why does Vortex ignore rules?

[Pickysaurus]

If you're futzing with the load order in another app, you're almost always going to have problems.

 

You can turn off the Vortex auto-sort on the toolbar.

[Frazzlesnap]

I did turn off auto-sort. It still re-sorts when I open the plugins tab. I've had auto-sort disabled for several years, now. It doesn't seem to matter. As long as I don't click on plugins, I can sort things in Wrye. I just am very annoyed that Vortex screws up the load order whenever I have to do anything in the plugins tab, and that it blatantly ignores some (but not all) custom rules for load order. If Vortex would do the load order correctly, I wouldn't be using another program to modify it.

[showler]

How about some screenshots of Vortex showing the problem?

[Frazzlesnap]

If I do that, then I'll have to manually re-juggle my 1250+ mod load order. Again. I'm sick of it. I make rules that place a mod after something that mod alters. Vortex ignores them. I get mods loaded before their masters, which means I have to open things in Wrye to fix it. All I can use Vortex for right now is installing and deploying. It's okay for Morrowind. It's okay for Cyberpunk 2077. It's okay for New Vegas (for now). It mostly obeys rules for Fallout 4. But for Skyrim SE, it seems to do whatever it wants. If I want to actually run the game and have it load things correctly, I can't use it. I guess I'll just have to live with it. First-world problems.

Thank you both for getting back to me. I've been insanely busy lately. I should have responded a few days ago when I was last online, but I didn't. I was playing Skyrim SE and downloading mods to rebuild my borked Fallout 4 install. That's another Vortex tale...

[showler]

The problem is that the behaviour you're describing is something that cannot happen with Vortex running anywhere close to correctly.

 

So, unless you provide some useful information nobody can figure out what the problem is.

 

But if you're okay with that, then you're okay with that.

[Guest deleted34304850]

what do you mean when you say vortex "ignores" the rules you put in place?

ive never seen vortex "ignore" any rule i've put in place to make a certain mod load before/after another, nor have i seen it ignore any grouping changes ive made for plugins.

how are you certain that your rules are being ignored? assuming that is, you're not arsing about with stuff externally, which is something you seem to hint at doing elsewhere.