Will the Moderators here PLEASE CHECK the Mods people make before releasing it !

[RomanR]

1 hour ago, LenaWolfBravil said:

This only makes sense for games that are frequently updated. Not all games are. For games that are never updated like Morrowind or Oblivion, this would only flag perfectly good mods as "faulty" purely because the author left the modding scene. There is nothing wrong with old mods for old, stable games.

Anyhow, I think the point here is that the moderators of Nexus Mods do not moderate mods, period. They only remove or lock mods if they break the site rules. Being out of date with respect to the latest game version is not a rule-breaking offence, and having bugs is not one either.

That's why I imagined it to be reserved for staff only and only staff could flag such mod after report. Also there will be no need to flag mods like that just because they're old. But if comments and bugs section are full of complains and author don't give a damn about it, I think this flag woud be usefull. At least for search. Besides there was a time when Oblivion and Morrowind were new and also frequently updated too. 

1 hour ago, LenaWolfBravil said:

But how is a user to know whether the mod will work? Well, there's the comments section and the bugs section, if you look there and notice that people have posted complaints but the mod author didn't reply to them, then probably the mod is unmaintained. You can also click on the mod author's name to go to their profile and see when was the last time they logged in. Plenty of ways to try and predict what the mod would do. And then of course it's up to you to actually test it for your personal installation, especially if you use other mods.

Yes, however time is money. Some mods, not suprising mostly older or successful ones, have many pages of comments or bug reports. Sometimes you want save time for something else.

1 hour ago, LenaWolfBravil said:

You could also try to use Collections. After all, that was the point of them, right? Put together a bunch of mods that work. If a collection is well done, it would save a lot of effort for the users.

As time will pass, Collections will face same problem. For how long a curator will be able to maintain a Collection consisting of hundreds of mods for example? I think the introduction of this flag is quite good idea. It will add more work to staff, but it can also show that Nexus cares about what it hosts, so it should add to its reputation.

[LenaWolfBravil]

Time and again we have a discussion about attaching some kind of negative feedback to various content on this site, be it images, posts or mods. And every time the conclusion is that negative feedback does more harm than good. Even if it is very regulated and only dished out by the staff of Nexus Mods (and I am not sure that Nexus Mods is looking to create all that workload for themselves). I think the moment a site decides to "grade our homework" people will start withdrawing their mods. You already see it now how some mod authors are quitting this site because of too much toxicity directed at them. It is still very mild here overall though, so people leaving beause they are being chased out, is hopefully rare (but I have no insight into this).

I think that perceptions and interests of users and mod authors collide on this issue.

[RomanR]

4 hours ago, LenaWolfBravil said:

Time and again we have a discussion about attaching some kind of negative feedback to various content on this site, be it images, posts or mods. And every time the conclusion is that negative feedback does more harm than good. Even if it is very regulated and only dished out by the staff of Nexus Mods (and I am not sure that Nexus Mods is looking to create all that workload for themselves). I think the moment a site decides to "grade our homework" people will start withdrawing their mods. You already see it now how some mod authors are quitting this site because of too much toxicity directed at them. It is still very mild here overall though, so people leaving beause they are being chased out, is hopefully rare (but I have no insight into this).iI think that perceptions and interests of users and mod authors collide on this issue.

I don't perceive something marked unmaintained as negatively like downvoting. Unmaintained doesn't neccesary mean faulty or obsolete. For me it only means I should be more careful, read description and be prepared for issues. Also Nexus isn't just a fan site anymore, it's run by a company which has hosting as a business now. And as OP showed, users thinks there should be some quality control (if it can be fully done is another question due the nature of modding itself). I think that "grading our homework" will come sooner or later in some form and nobody will like it, but on other hand I understand an user downloading non working mod and finding that no one is seemingly responsible for anything.

[showler]

That strikes me more as them needing to clarify how the site works rather than trying to change how the site works.

[JimDirt]

5 hours ago, LenaWolfBravil said:

Time and again we have a discussion about attaching some kind of negative feedback to various content on this site, be it images, posts or mods. And every time the conclusion is that negative feedback does more harm than good. Even if it is very regulated and only dished out by the staff of Nexus Mods (and I am not sure that Nexus Mods is looking to create all that workload for themselves). I think the moment a site decides to "grade our homework" people will start withdrawing their mods. You already see it now how some mod authors are quitting this site because of too much toxicity directed at them. It is still very mild here overall though, so people leaving beause they are being chased out, is hopefully rare (but I have no insight into this).

I think that perceptions and interests of users and mod authors collide on this issue.

I'm not talking about being disrespectful (as I believe I certainly have not to the modders in question to my issues) but I feel allowing a Red Flag marker to be put on the mod with a description of the issue (whether it be the game locking up or simply being not current with the game) and after x amount of flags , the modder is contacted to either remedy the issue , or have them remove the mod from rotation if they are not interested in "fixing" the issue , or as I mentioned , putting "flagged" mods in their own category , with a warning/statement that the mod may not function or is a version that requires a older version of the game to use or something

I'm not trying to run modders off  , if anything I am trying to encourage them to keep up with the mods they made , which benefits everyone  , which is why I made the reports that are supplied by this site  , however its obvious that those particular mods I mentioned/tried/reported have not been updated and/or the modder has not responded or attempted to fix the issue/s , so basically the "reports" are kind of useless , and that's why I feel a Flagging system is the way to help others (like myself) so that people leaving snotty remarks to them would not be a issue (there is always someone who will but most are respectful from what I have seen unless the modder just never responds to their complains/concerns , which would be a legit reason to remove the mod from rotation) that keeps it respectful , and you get a predetermined questionnaire  , basically like a Poll , so you get say 5 choices of X is wrong , and/or X happens , with a brief description of each item and its submitted  , once x amount are submitted with the same issue , its sent to the modder (automatically), who has x time to respond or fix the issue or it will be either removed or whatever by a staff member at that time (or automatically , and if the modder responds to why his mod was removed , he then has a chance to explain why he didn't respond or fix the issue , if its legit , then a moderator here can reinstate it , or not 

I'm not saying I have any answers  , I'm just saying the current system is broken and needs attention, and some kind of solution other than what exists , and I feel the Flag or something similar is the way to go without taking actual persons away from their duties to police it 

To me this would not inconvenience anyone , or maybe be inconvenient for a short time to the programmers here while its being implemented  , then it becomes a automated system and is only dealt with by the staff if it's not fixed or addressed (say the modder has not been back in 6 months  , so the mod is scrapped or placed in a "it's for non updated games" or something , or the modder didn't know there was a issue and that gives him a chance to rebut the removal) , basically making it easier for users like me to know , this mod is flagged ... because , xxxx , warning , as I certainly did not know what to look for in regards of how to tell if a mod is viable or not

I did find a mod that worked , that removed the bombs/triggers from ALL doors in the maps  , so that basically solved the issue and I no longer needed more flashbangs/nades , and I found it by using showler's advice , and looked for the most current mods  , so it actually works like its supposed to 

[LenaWolfBravil]

From the Forum and Commenting Guidelines https://help.nexusmods.com/article/22-forum-and-commenting-guidelines

Within this community, you are not inherently entitled to another's time, work, or creations.

It means that users are not automatically entitled to support or updates, among other things. Any attempt to require mod authors to do something is in contradiction to this rule.

Personally, I do not see how removing mods would be helpful to the community as a whole, even if those mods aren't working properly. They are not helpful for players but they often are very helpful for other mod makers to learn how something is done. This site is not just for the users!

[Gantz79]

@LenaWolfBravil On this I agree tremendously, I had never considered that old outdated mods could be resources for other mods, I guess as I always create mods for new games I didn't think of something so obvious, you are absolutely right.

As for what you are referring to “Any attempt to require mod authors to do something is in contradiction to this rule.” that is true, can I report them for demanding and being rude? because in the same instant that PALWORLD is updated and many of my mods stop working I get full notifications of bug reports and posts requesting an update and some of those bug reports are just a “UPDATE THE MOD” without a thank you or please and this is the most polite and others even write it in 10 or 20 of my mods, lucky that we the authors can moderate our mods.

For this same reason I usually delete all my old versions, outdated or that I do not plan to make adjustments, I do not want to have to be wasting time on this type of notifications, plus it is no longer smart to have so many mods hosted here.

I guess this problem does not go through an automated solution and has a difficult solution.

[LenaWolfBravil]

4 hours ago, Gantz79 said:

can I report them for demanding and being rude?

Of course. Rude and entitled behaviour is against the rules. Report them.

[JimDirt]

On 11/21/2024 at 5:22 PM, LenaWolfBravil said:

From the Forum and Commenting Guidelines https://help.nexusmods.com/article/22-forum-and-commenting-guidelines

Within this community, you are not inherently entitled to another's time, work, or creations.

It means that users are not automatically entitled to support or updates, among other things. Any attempt to require mod authors to do something is in contradiction to this rule.

Personally, I do not see how removing mods would be helpful to the community as a whole, even if those mods aren't working properly. They are not helpful for players but they often are very helpful for other mod makers to learn how something is done. This site is not just for the users!

Then may I ask what exactly is the point of Reporting a Mod ??  , it's obvious it does nothing , as in the modder just ignores it , and its also obvious no one here is willing to do anything about it  , so why even have that ?? , why not just put on the mod page  , "A lot of mods don't work  , sorry , but not sorry  , your on your own , find another one"  , , I'm not trying to sound like a jerk  , but seriously  , that is what it sounds like is how it works 

I had asked a whole bunch of other stuff , but I just deleted it , because I didn't see the point of asking anymore , as it seems obvious that everyone here (users like me) are pretty much on their own , and thats that ....... Thanks for the explanation  , but I'm really confused now  , basically it sounds like I was , or am close to being in Violation of the rules for asking that something I downloaded to actually function like its supposed to ...... great ... that makes sense ..... Forget I asked ..... it's not worth pursuing if anything is going to be fixed , because its obvious , no one cares enough to fix anything , or thinks anything is broken with this system ... ....

Edited November 23 by JimDirt

[Gantz79]

@Lena Wolf Bravil @JimDirt When I said “that is true, can I report them for demanding and being rude?” I was being sarcastic, I know from my own experience that this kind of things are not normally moderated, this same day 10 I remove and blocked a user for demanding me 3 times to upload a ZIP with all the variants of the Fixed Scouters Color (7 Models) and later he came by the forum to threaten me by private that he was a trash and farmer of downloads and that everyone would know it.

I reported it and the next day the Community team lead reviewed the message and his profile and it was marked in the Recent Profile Visitors of that user, but no action was taken, so don't worry @JimDirt demanding or even harassing is not something that is often moderated, by the way the user fulfilled his threat and defamed me by the Discord channel causing others to go to write more nonsense.