DestroyerOfTheNorth Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) Heya, wondering if anyone can help me out. I've gone on a modding spree to get myself back into Fallout 4 after acquiring it for the PC finally - with the restrictions on modding not gone but more lax, I've endeavored to make an expansive rework of the gameplay experience while being mindful of not overextending the limits the PC has (iirc: 550 Ba2s, 255 Esps, another 255 Esls). Well I've come in with a handy bit of wiggleroom under those figures and wouldn't you know it, I'm still crashing to desktop before I can even start the game up! I've doublechecked and triplechecked and stuff 'should' be fine: conflicts are already resolved where they exist (there were about 7 in a load order of 252 mods - I'd consider that reasonably small), a good chunk of the esps came "marked as esls" which should (theoretically) give me more wiggleroom in loadup (only about 130 aren't marked light counting those that are native to the game folder from DLC), and loathe though I am to do so I've even taken the liberty of disabling a few mods to put more space between me and the esp limit. I know it's the mods because purging them allows the game to start up in vanilla, and redeploying them revives the problem. Fortunately this means the game itself is functional though, and nothing destructive has been done. But that also doesn't make it easy to diagnose, and I'm looking for solutions. If any of those solutions let me bring any of the other mods back in it's a nice bonus; but all things considered I have nothing which depends on any of them, so they can safely be discarded. Major mods of note: - I've installed true storms and vivid weathers together with a compatibility patch that should allow them to function in tandem with changing seasons - for what I feel would be maximum weather immersion. - I've installed america rising 2 and the danse dilemma. In my mind, these are necessary to make the BOS something besides enclave lite; providing them with their longstanding arch-enemy as well as allowing you to put the brotherhood on a better path than Todd Howard's retcon Elder Maxson's Wild Ride. - Scourge, Simple Damage Tweaks, Deadlier Deathclaws, Seek and Destroy, and Arbitration all serve the same purpose: to smooth out the combat experience; making encounters that should be dangerous dangerous, increasing the intelligence of the AI overall, bumping up damage taken, curbing HP sponge problems at leveling points where those are issues, and allowing a lot of fine-tuning when those things stop being issues and I want to maintain a challenge. - A good number of weapon mods have been installed alongside munitions and levellist injectors to diversify the weapons carried by humanoid enemies in later levels; sticking to predominantly lore friendlier ones - the MG42, the Service Rifle, the Wattz Laser Rifle, and the G11 among others. Equilibrium has been installed to better balance the weapons that were already there. - Retextures (in theory) improve performance while also improving looks because Bethesda packaged some environmental textures at over 2k with a resolution more befitting of 1k. - SMM and SKE provide a framework that improves settlements upon which Between Snap n'Build, Homemaker, Oppressor's Military Workshop, and a few others expand. - Minutemen are overhauled with We Are The Minutemen and Militarized Minutemen to improve their credibility as a faction choice. Load Order (ESP mods which are marked as ESLs are marked with a *): # Automatically generated by Vortex Fallout4.esm DLCRobot.esm DLCworkshop01.esm DLCCoast.esm DLCworkshop02.esm DLCworkshop03.esm DLCNukaWorld.esm ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl ccbgsfo4002-pipboy(blue).esl ccbgsfo4003-pipboy(camo01).esl ccbgsfo4004-pipboy(camo02).esl ccbgsfo4006-pipboy(chrome).esl ccbgsfo4012-pipboy(red).esl ccbgsfo4014-pipboy(white).esl ccbgsfo4016-prey.esl ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl ccbgsfo4019-chinesestealtharmor.esl ccbgsfo4020-powerarmorskin(black).esl ccbgsfo4022-powerarmorskin(camo01).esl ccbgsfo4023-powerarmorskin(camo02).esl ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl ccbgsfo4041-doommarinearmor.esl ccbgsfo4042-bfg.esl ccBGSFO4044-HellfirePowerArmor.esl ccBGSFO4046-TesCan.esl ccBGSFO4096-AS_Enclave.esl ccBGSFO4110-WS_Enclave.esl ccBGSFO4115-X02.esl ccBGSFO4116-HeavyFlamer.esl cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl ccfrsfo4001-handmadeshotgun.esl 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ccbgsfo4021-powerarmorskinblue.esl ccbgsfo4027-powerarmorskingreen.esl ccbgsfo4034-powerarmorskinyellow.esl ccbgsfo4028-powerarmorskinorange.esl ccbgsfo4031-powerarmorskinred.esl ccbgsfo4030-powerarmorskinpurple.esl ccbgsfo4032-powerarmorskintan.esl ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl ccgrcfo4001-pipgreytort.esl ccgrcfo4002-pipgreenvim.esl ccbgsfo4013-piptan.esl ccbgsfo4010-pippnk.esl ccsbjfo4001-solarflare.esl cczsef04001-bhouse.esm cctosfo4001-neosky.esm cckgjfo4001-bastion.esl ccbgsfo4063-papat.esl ccqdrfo4001_powerarmorai.esl ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl ccbgsfo4101-as_shi.esl ccbgsfo4114-ws_shi.esl ccrzrfo4002-disintegrate.esl ccbgsfo4091-as_bats.esl ccbgsfo4092-as_camoblue.esl ccbgsfo4093-as_camogreen.esl ccbgsfo4094-as_camotan.esl ccbgsfo4097-as_jack-olantern.esl ccbgsfo4104-ws_bats.esl ccbgsfo4105-ws_camoblue.esl ccbgsfo4106-ws_camogreen.esl ccbgsfo4107-ws_camotan.esl ccbgsfo4111-ws_jack-olantern.esl ccbgsfo4118-ws_tunnelsnakes.esl ccbgsfo4113-ws_reillysrangers.esl ccbgsfo4112-ws_pickman.esl ccbgsfo4108-ws_childrenofatom.esl ccbgsfo4103-as_tunnelsnakes.esl ccbgsfo4099-as_reillysrangers.esl ccbgsfo4098-as_pickman.esl ccbgsfo4095-as_childrenofatom.esl ccbgsfo4090-piptribal.esl ccbgsfo4089-pipsynthwave.esl ccbgsfo4087-piphaida.esl ccbgsfo4085-piphawaii.esl ccbgsfo4084-pipretro.esl ccbgsfo4083-pipartdeco.esl ccbgsfo4082-pipprc.esl ccbgsfo4081-pipphenolresin.esl ccbgsfo4080-pippop.esl ccbgsfo4035-pint.esl ccbgsfo4086-pipadventure.esl ccjvdfo4001-holiday.esl ccbgsfo4047-qthund.esl ccfrsfo4003-cr75l.esl cczsefo4002-smanor.esm ccacxfo4001-vsuit.esl ccbgsfo4040-vrworkshop01.esl ccfsvfo4005-vrdesertisland.esl ccfsvfo4006-vrwasteland.esl ccsbjfo4002_manwellrifle.esl cctosfo4002_neonflats.esm ccbgsfo4117-capmerc.esl ccfsvfo4004-vrworkshopgnrplaza.esl ccgcafo4025-pagunmm.esl cccrsfo4001-pipcoa.esl HUDFramework.esm OP_Workshop.esp flamerproject2k.esl Seasons.esm Seasonal Snow.esl AmericaRising2.esm AmericaRising2-X02-CC.esl AmericaRising2-Hellfire-CC.esl AmericaRising2-Remnants.esl Skb_MachinegunsRebirth.esl commonwealthcanvases.esl IceStormsFNF2000.esl Homemaker.esm Skb-MinigunsRebirth.esl LIF.esl LIF_RandomPA.esl ODT - Raider Armors Retextured.esl Dank_ArmorPaintExtended.esl Munitions - An Ammo Expansion.esl Munitions - Vanilla Ammo Addon.esl _WarmWeather.esl Snap'n Build.esm Damage Threshold.esm SettlementKeywords.esm TrueStormsFO4.esm AmericaRising2-PrototypeGauss-CC.esl AmericaRising2-TeslaCannon-CC.esl AmericaRising2-Incinerator-CC.esl AmericaRising2-SolarCannon-CC.esl healthdispenserandstimpaksHD.esl warmemorials2k.esl hologramtable.esl BoS Pilot Outfit Fix.esp TDS_PA_WWII_Camo_Paints_Clean.esp TDS_PA_WWII_Camo_Paints_Literust.esp 512StandaloneHairColors.esp Vivid Fallout - LOD.esp* Vivid Fallout - Nuka World LOD.esp* Another Pine Forest Trees Only.esp BH_StG44.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Clarity.esp VGVolkssturmgewehr.esp G11.esp G11 - Unofficial Update.esp* BullpupBozar.esp Bullpup Bozar - Unofficial Update.esp* EquilibriumWeapons.esp Dank_ArmorOverrides.esp* FaceMaxson.esp DeadlierDeathclaws.esp No Combat Boundaries.esp W.A.T.Minutemen.esp Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp AmericaRising2-eXoPatch.esp* Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp _TrueStorms-Vivid-76-Patch.esp* M2A2_Bradley_Raplcer.esp* CheatTerminal.esp AmericaRising2-PineForestTreesOnly.esp* Dank_LEO.esp* Wattz3000mkII.esp Skb_RiflesRebirth.esp MilitarizedMinutemen.esp DOOMMerged.esp Skibs-223PistolRedux.esp Dank_ECO.esp* Cinematic Lensflares.esp Jackhammer.esp ChinaLakeandHolorifle.esp CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp Service Rifle - Unofficial Update.esp* GrenadeExpansionPack.esp T6M_Whalegun.esp* T6M_Whalegun_Munition.esp* Miniguns Rebirth ESL - Munitions Patch.esp* ClassicSniper.esp XR92_Rifle.esp* NV_LMG.esp* FOLON - LugerP08.esp DP_CaravanShotgun.esp Quad_Fusillade.esp Quad_Accelerator.esp Equilibrium Classic 10mm.esp _00Stingray.esp AR2 CC Combat Armor.esp Quad_RAWLauncher.esp VanBuren_223.esp* SelectRapidMG.esp AR2 CC X01.esp NPCGreetingTweak90.esp Arbitration - Recommended Core.esp Arbitration - Survival Damage by Player 1x.esp Arbitration - Survival Damage to Player 4x.esp Better Casing.esp* AQUILA.esp AdvBubbleTurretSet-Real.esp AdvBubbleTurretSet-Real-SKPatch.esp Adjustable UI Volume Sliders.esp Arbitration - Automatron AI.esp NEO Patches - America Rising 2 - Remnants.esp* NEO Patches - America Rising 2.esp* AR2AltOutfits.esp* CROSS_CryoLance.esp* America Rising 2 CC X02 Paintjob.esp* BH_GrenadePack_German.esp CarExplosions.esp CROSS_RugerMkV.esp cc_PowerArmorSkin_Camo_StealthFix.esp BOS_X01_Paintjobs.esp Caravan Shotgun - Unofficial Update.esp* 223bozar.esp* CBBE.esp KSHairdos.esp BeastWhisperer.esp GenericDeliverer.esp Compact Pistol - Unofficial Tweaks.esp* Manwell Rifle - Unofficial Update.esp* America Rising 2 CC Hellfire Paintjob.esp* BetterNightVision.esp DarkerNights.esp DarkerNightsDetection.esp Colored Workshop Lights.esp DCHorns.esp Classic Sniper - Unofficial Update.esp* Crimsomrider's Unique Furniture.esp CompRedo.esp EquilibriumAMR.esp Quad_Element.esp DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp DeathclawVariety - Even More Variety - Beast Master.esp DeathclawVariety - Even More Variety - WW.esp DeathclawVariety - Even More Variety.esp Munitions-Additional Ammo.esp* FarHarborLeverAction3030.esp* AR2MarineArmor.esp PAMAP.esp Dank_ECO-INNR.esp* Dank_ECO-Munitions.esp* Dank_ECO-Munitions_INNR.esp* Dank_ECO_DLCCoast.esp* SkipHSH.esp Dank_ECO_DLCNukaWorld.esp* Dank_ECO_DLCRobot.esp* Dank_ECO_DisablePlacedItems.esp* DV-Deadly Vertibirds.esp DV-Armored Pilots.esp DV-No Levelled Vertibirds.esp DV-Vertibird Explosive Minigun.esp Factor.esp CR-74L - Unofficial Update.esp* Music76in4.esp NukaWorldRifleClassicStock.esp Homemaker - Greenhouse and Bunker Disabler.esp Vivid Fallout - Far Harbor LOD.esp* FlagsOfTheOldWorld.esp AR2MarineArmorLeveledList.esp Skibs-IF88Redux.esp LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp VividFallout - AiO - BestChoice.esp TrueGrass.esp Insignificant Object Remover.esp MG42.esp DeathclawVariety - WW.esp LooksMenu.esp Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCCoast.esp* CCV-MarineCombatArmor.esp DeathclawVariety.esp LIF_DLC_Guns.esp* mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp LIF_DLC_Ammo.esp* LIF_DLC_Armor.esp* LIF_DLC_Cola.esp* LIF_DLC_Grenade.esp* Dank_LEO-Automatron.esp* Dank_LEO-CapMerc.esp* More Legendary Effects.esp* Dank_LEO-MLE.esp* Dank_LEO-MLE_INNR.esp* Dank_LEO-MLM.esp* Dank_LEO-NeoSky.esp* Dank_LEO_ChipCraft_Mats_ECO.esp* Dank_LEO_DLCCoast.esp* Dank_LEO_DLCNukaWorld.esp* MilitarisedMinutemen_PatchesAddon.esp No Aggro Impact Landing.esp ImprovedNuke.esp NEO Patches - Remnants.esp* PowerArmorDelivery.esp QuickEnterFromStand.esp QuickExitToStand.esp Karma_Pickups.esp Radium Rifle Improvements.esp* RadiantBirdsv05.esp pulsecarbine.esp AES_Renovated Furniture.esp .223 Pistol - Munitions Patch.esp* CROSS Ruger - Munitions Patch.esp* Machineguns Rebirth - Munitions Patch.esp* VGVolkssturmgewehr - Munitions Patch.esp* Van Buren .223 Autoloader - Munitions Patch.esp* Search and Destroy.esp SaveAcadiaFromBoS.esp WeatherSynergy-VividPriority-N-ES-x4.esp SeasonsChange - TrueStorms and Vivid Patch.esp* Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCNukaWorld.esp* Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCInterconnected.esp* Dank_ArmorOverrides_DLCRobot.esp* Dank_INNRoverride.esp* Dank_PreySpaceSuit.esp* Dank_SynthUniformDistribution.esp* SettlementMenuManager.esp Grenades.esp* QuickTrade.esp Tracers - Light em up.esp SimpleDamageTweaks.esp* BHSTG44_Munitions.esp* Chinalake_Munitions.esp* FN2000_Munitions.esp* FOLLuger_Munitions.esp* Fusillade_Munitions.esp* MG42_Munitions.esp* ProtonCarbine_Munitions.esp* QuadLaunch_LLI.esp* RAWLauncher_Munitions.esp* SelectMG_Munitions.esp* SanctuaryParts.esp F4NVServiceRifleRedux_Patch_Uniques.esp OWR.esp OWR_CraftableDecor.esp OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp OWR_CraftableDecor_CW_SKEPatch.esp OWR_CraftableDecor_SKEPatch.esp OWR_SKEPatch.esp RAO - OWR patch.esp OCDecorator.esp OCDecoratorDLC.esp OCDispenser.esp VGVolkssturmgewehrLL.esp Tougher Vertibirds.esp WD_44.esp WATM-MM-MMUPAIA_CustomPatch.esp* TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp WeatherSynergy-FarHarbor-ES-x2.esp TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp X-01 Tesla Upgrade Kit.esp X-01 Tesla Upgrade Kit_PAMAP.esp WickedGlowingSeaOrbs.esp* plasmalights.esp Vivid Weathers - Natural Bright.esp Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp WeatherSynergy-NukaWorld-FH-Compact.esp vTZv_PA_Buffs_v2.esp* Aquila_LLInjector.esp* Cryolance_LLInjector.esp* FN F2000_IceStorm_LLI.esp Factor_LLInjector.esp* G11_LLI.esp* MG42_LLInjector.esp* PancorJackhammer_LLInjector.esp* QuadElement_LLInjector.esp* QuadFusillade_LLI.esp* Quad_Accel_LLI.esp* SelectRapidMG_LLInjector.esp* ServiceRifle_LLInjector.esp* Wattz 3000 mkII Laser gun_LLI.esp* WidowShotgun_LLInjector.esp* VividFallout - Quarry - BestChoice.esp* CaravanSG-4estedit_munitions.esp* DOOMMerged_munitions.esp* GrenadeExpansionPack_munitions.esp* PTRS41_munitions.esp* ServiceRifle_munitions.esp* TDS_PA_WWII_Paints_Literust.esp TDS_PA_WWII_Paints_Clean.esp SCOURGE.esp* SCOURGE - DLCCoast.esp* SCOURGE - DLCNukaWorld.esp* SCOURGE - DLCRobot.esp* SCOURGE - Fallout4.esp* WET.esp* Vivid Waters.esp Edited March 8 by DestroyerOfTheNorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogzilla82 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) I found out the hard way many of the mods I used were crashing my game. I actually went through every single one, in the nexus comments for each, to find the ones that cause crashes, or ones that are far too old and have been replaced by newer mods. I also removed the mods I don't really use, or don't really need. Once I was done, it stopped crashing. Edited March 8 by Frogzilla82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaverage Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Finding out which mod(s) cause(s) the crashes can be realy painful as you normally start without mods and install/ enable mods at best one by one. You have a lot of weather mods, leveled list mods and mods interfering with the game mechanics. But one little question though. Do you enable all these mods at the beginning of a new playthrough or after you left Vault 111 the first time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Crash before you get to the main menu is a missing master crash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitchfinder Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 hours ago, HeyYou said: Crash before you get to the main menu is a missing master crash. That's one of several potential causes: Missing master on an enabled file Impossible to reconcile mod conflict (This is quite rare in FO4, it was easier to cause in skyrim by doing something like adding a new actor value) BA2 limit (game ran out of file handles and crashed the next time it tried to grab a mod to load) Code injection conflict (two or more incompatible F4SE/dll injection mods) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel97 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I've heard that there also is a object reference limit. According to this article: "Fallout 4 has a object reference limit of about 2 million. If this limit is reached, game will not function properly. It will CTD when starting or loading a save. New game will not even start and so on." Apparently, flagging some mods as ESMs with xEdit can help prevent reaching the limit. "As any plugin that has ESM flag in it, is not counted towards reference limit. This happens regardless of file extension as long as flag is set." Here are some other threads that discuss the limit: https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/13478091-loaded-refs-limit/ https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/8703508-object-reference-limit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jharets Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Turn off overlays (medal, steam, xbox, discord, or nvidia) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 You are going to get suggestions from all over the place. The only suggestion I'll give is only change ONE thing at a time - and keep track of what you are changing (testing). ----- At the end of the day, try to find the largest common denominator and disable that first and test. In your case, it's Weapons. Literally 1/3rd of the mods you have added are either Weapons and Patches for those Weapons. ----- If I had to do a quick and dirty? I'd Disable all of that and then test. If you still CTD - well you just eliminated 1/3rd of the potential issue with one test. Congratulations. If you don't - then you just eliminated 2/3rds of the potential issue with one test. It's a win win - like I said - look for the largest common denominator and try to eliminate it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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