Akabar Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Where all this is very true, the point is that they are royally screwing up two of the things that made Morrowind so popular: the CS and the endless amount of content that it provided. I don't really see anything wrong with them charging a nominal fee for extra content, except when it is for a relativly useless mod. They should only charge for a package of mods or a "mini expansion" if you will. EQII did this, not that I'm comparing Oblivion to EQII or that I like SOE, and it didn't seem like too big of a rip off. Though, they did charge, in my opinion, a little too much for what they offered. Ultimatly, I wouldn't mind paying up to $6.99 for a true mini expansion but not for a single mod; that just seems outlandish to me.I do also agree that charging $2 for a useless mod doesnt really make a lot of sense. What the mod community and gamers do to make it known to a company that you dont agree with their "pay-as-you-play" policy is hit them where it hurts... profits... simply do not purchase the mods and it becomes pretty clear that their customers dont see any value in what they are offering. I'm with most of you when it comes to hating the idea that free mods and a good CS are becomming a thing of the past, but I also know that the large publishers (Sony, EA, ect) are trying to squeeze every cent they can from games. The way you combat that greed in any free market environment is to simply not purchase the product that is offensive (in this case the Official mods). Heres the problem though..... There are quite a few Oblivion owners out there that are shoveling out the money for these mods... That's going to put a damper on the free mod movement for certain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilestBang Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 This is my interpretation of this thread most of you have missed the major arguement a. Bethseda released oblivion b. Bethseda Withheld the Official plugins/tools for average Computer Joe to make modsc. Bethseda Is now forcing all of us to pay for crap that Average computer joe would have made for FREE end of argument bethseda has become a Backstabbing sell out where every pennie that they can suck out of each and every sucker is taken advantage of and the Modding community is given the finger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Are we still talking about this? If you don't want to buy the plugins then here's a suggestion...don't. I'm tired of seeing people comparing Bethesda to the great Babylon/Bush/Microsoft/Fargoth. We all knew they were charging for official plugins. Get over it already. Locking this, as I honestly doubt anyone can add anything new and the posts are really, really starting to get repetitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Reopening this. Please don't close debates that are being conducted in a mature fashion. It's a perfectly legitimate thing to be talking about and a real issue in the community. No reason what-so-ever to close it. Let people have their say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Your world boss, but I have yet to see any new arguments other than "OMG bethesda is a great satan, I'm not buying these crap mods." But maybe it's just me. I just don't see how this 'discussion' can honestly go anywhere. There is no way around it, the official plugins are for purchase only and Bethesda are withholding the tools for new models. We knew this before the game was released and now there is nothing to do but wait for future developments. What's next? An email petition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadarn Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Your world boss, but I have yet to see any new arguments other than "OMG bethesda is a great satan, I'm not buying these crap mods." But maybe it's just me. I just don't see how this 'discussion' can honestly go anywhere. There is no way around it, the official plugins are for purchase only and Bethesda are withholding the tools for new models. We knew this before the game was released and now there is nothing to do but wait for future developments. What's next? An email petition? Bethseda aren't The Great Satan (too much competition in that field already) BUT they are perhaps guilty of being economical with the facts. Does the box or marketing blurb refer to the fact that the Construction Kit shipped has had features removed, for example? Of course it doesn't. Does the blurb say that you, the customer, will have to pay for future content created using the tools deliberately witheld (like new models, etc)? Erm, no. And let's not enter into the "It's A Console Game For Attention-Span-Deficient Console Players" debate ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Your world boss, but I have yet to see any new arguments other than "OMG bethesda is a great satan, I'm not buying these crap mods." But maybe it's just me. I just don't see how this 'discussion' can honestly go anywhere. There is no way around it, the official plugins are for purchase only and Bethesda are withholding the tools for new models. We knew this before the game was released and now there is nothing to do but wait for future developments. What's next? An email petition? Bethseda aren't The Great Satan (too much competition in that field already) BUT they are perhaps guilty of being economical with the facts. Does the box or marketing blurb refer to the fact that the Construction Kit shipped has had features removed, for example? Of course it doesn't. Does the blurb say that you, the customer, will have to pay for future content created using the tools deliberately witheld (like new models, etc)? Erm, no. And let's not enter into the "It's A Console Game For Attention-Span-Deficient Console Players" debate ;) "too much competition" ;D No, these were not said on the box, but they were announced months before the release, anyone with a decent interest in modding and modelling (especially after doing such things for Morrowind) would have known this by now. Bethesda made no secret about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Has anyone read this update from Bethesda? http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=348450 I hadn't read it when I made my first post in this thread (oddly enough, I was looking for announcements of a patch in their technical forum rather than Oblivion General). Call me a cynic, but after the heated discussion the release of the horse armour plugin caused that thread has, in my eyes at least, 'damage limitation' written all over it. It's good to see though that a patch is being worked on. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Read the link, I'm sort of understanding the rational of "Don't ask for free plugins. A lot of man hours have gone into them so we need a small form of compensation". I'm very pissed though that teleportation is included in the wizard tower plugin, but not provided for in the vanilla game. Added, they could have just released the CS in its entireity anyways and I'm certain some modder somewhere (Peregrine) would have had the means and the know-how to do a good enough job perhaps even better at creating a mod like what they're releasing. This would (I'm assuming) save Bethseda time and perhaps money for the most part, since they're not paying anyone to do it. The modder works not for profit but for the sake of their creation. I assume the payoff is the satisfaction of having created a fine piece of art that everyone can enjoy. I still understand the whole pay for play concept, but I think Bethseda should have been more up-front about it. I heard nothing about this and I keep my ear close to the street, so to speak. So I was a bit dismayed and surprised when I found out. What will really push me over is if Beth releases a weapons mod for weapons that weren't included in Oblivion vanilla. Like spears (perhaps an Akaviri naginata) or bow staffs (blunt). Granted, I have no problem with the game. I love it to death, but hearing about this stuff sort of puts a damper on the whole thing, especially when Beth shows that what they said was not going to be included in the game is being included, for a price. That's not totally honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castor Pollux Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 I realy dislike the idea of having to pay for such small plug ins. Got me a little disappointed in bethesda BUT they got the right to do it. It's not like they force you to get em in order to play the game.And well, if you don't wanna pay, there'll be tons of mods available in a couple months all free so. But congrats to bethesda for not using something horrible like secuROM!!! :D I realy respect that! SecuROM made my FEAR game stutter like hell (luckily I was able to solve it). They realy made a leap of trust by doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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