I'm beginning to find it harder to hate the Thalmor...

[monganfinn]

I don´t think that we can be sure that Orkey is even Malacath himself, while Malacath or Mauloch(who was probably only a powerful Ork chief, for what kind of Daedric Prince gets done in so easily) certainly antagonized the Atmorans or rather the Nords, I rather believe that Malacaths former existence Trinimiac is the basis for Orkey. Who together with Auri-El(from Krypton!) fought against Shor/Lorkhan and the ancestors of the humans.

IMO it could also be Boethia, as he is known for treachery and tricking the Atmorans is more up his alley than the warring Malacath, although we now that Wulfharth also was in conflict with Orkey.

Arkay is also theoretical base for Orkey, as both have a connection with mortality/death.

 

What makes TES lore so complicated is for one the different accounts from the antagonistic cultures and the concept of manteling most of all as with that nothing is truly certain.

 

Do we know for a fact, how the Thalmor destroy Mundus? They obviously cannot undo Talos.

[Jannifer]

The Thalmor believe that the strength of a god rests in the number of his/her worshippers. By decreasing the number of worshippers via the ban on the cult of Talos, they believe that they can weaken Talos to the point of being able to destroy/overthrow him. Outlawing the worship of Talos is one thing; actually eradicating it is quite different and will take generations to achieve. Their goal to unmake Mundus is not short-term; it's a goal that could take millenia to bring to fruition.

[Lachdonin]

Well, in their defense, that is how the Aedra work. Their power, and their manifestation, is dependant on the perspective of mortals when observing their sphere. If we were talking abou any of the 8, their plan would probably work.

[monganfinn]

Exactly but with Talos it should be impossible? Right?

So how do they make it work?

Any ideas?

[Valkasha]

As far as I know the Thalmor simply want people to stop worshipping Talos, because he is not part of the *real* pantheon. I don't think they care if Talos has power as long as noone worships him.

[Lachdonin]

Exactly but with Talos it should be impossible? Right?

So how do they make it work?

Any ideas?

Well, the Thalmor understand how Aedra work, and they think Talos is in the same category. They don't understand CHIM which is really the main limiting factor in their plan. Of course, that lack of understanding is probably what leads to the less than desirable result of Landfall. What they do SHOULD destroy Talos, but he's CHIM, so it just breaks the world instead.

[notmyhome]

 

Exactly but with Talos it should be impossible? Right?

So how do they make it work?

Any ideas?

Well, the Thalmor understand how Aedra work, and they think Talos is in the same category. They don't understand CHIM which is really the main limiting factor in their plan. Of course, that lack of understanding is probably what leads to the less than desirable result of Landfall. What they do SHOULD destroy Talos, but he's CHIM, so it just breaks the world instead.

 

 

Is it only the Thalmor who can't comprehend CHIM, or is it a common flaw in High Elves?

[Lachdonin]

Generally speaking, you either comprehend CHIM, or you simply wink out of existence. If the Thalmor understood, or even recognised CHIM, they would have to achieve it or disappear. Since they are still around, but aren't CHIM, we can assume they don't know about it.

 

Of course, Love (with a capital L) is a critical component of CHIM, and the underlying currents of Altmer culture kind of impede that. Love, in TES, is a recognition that everything is the same, that there is no difference between the Self and Other, and an embracing of that. Love, essentially, is the all encompassing love of everyone and every thing. The Altmer aversion and disdain for 'lessers' kind of conflicts with the whole notion, so it may in fact make the Altmer less likely to achieve CHIM than some others.

[notmyhome]

Yea, but that's the state about 99% of Nirn's population live in. Nobody really knows for sure Vivec's lessons actually contain the truth about the Elder Scrolls universe; and the 1% who do recognize this are probably viewed by their peers like real world's monks: happy and content but clearly out of their mind.

 

So the Thalmor in their ignorance of CHIM aren't significantly different from most of Nirn's population.

[Lachdonin]

True enough, but 1st century Romans weren't unique if their ignorance of germ theory. Still doesn't mean it's not an important component.

 

Based on what the Thalmor KNOW, their plan will work. But they're missing a crucial component that's going to make it blow up in their faces... Still, in their mind, they're doing the right thing.