Marxist ßastard Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Clicky. And why not have an obligatory Slashdot link while we're at it? I'll try to find a bit more information on this... Sorry for another "idiotic lawsuit" thread, but I just couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeLLL Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Ahh got to love slashdot. My homepage :P It is quite ironic isn't. I mean the "tool" to gain acess to illegal materials is SUING the companies who hold the rights to the material thats rights are being infringed. 'Tis the season for letigation...Falalalala Lalalala.... First SCO and now THIS!!!! When will it end :angry: B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 lol. funny stuff :P tho i do disagree with the music companies worming around in kazaa and trying 2 get details on the user from ISPs. bit of invasion of privacy there IMHO. but for him to want to sue them over copywrite issues... that has to be the most ironic thing ive heard in a while! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Now that's a good one.... The irony if Kazaa succeeds here is just priceless. Which I hope it will. The RIAA's actions are a clear violation of privacy (search without a warant), and if done by the police would mean case dismissed. That and their completely unreasonable idea of a lawsuit (I could be sued for $85 million!), along with their bullying of everyone who gets in their way, whether or not the law is on their side. But what you have to love is the RIAA's reply to this:"The Recording Industry Association of America called Sharman's "newfound admiration for the importance of copyright law" ironic and "self-serving."" So now laws only apply one way? Its more serious than murder to download a few songs, but if they have to break a few laws to stop it, well then that's just fine. They are in violation of the law, end of discussion. The victim's actions in other things have absolutely no effect on this. My opinion? Its about time somebody stood up to the RIAA's bullying, and I would very much like to see Kazaa win this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 Well, the people on Slashdot are making some interesting points. While the RIAA cannot even get a slap on the wrist for privacy infringement as they are not associated with the government, their actions are in clear violation of the EULA. Not only are they collecting information about users, an action prohibited under the original Kazaa EULA, but they are also using Kazaa Lite, which states explicity, no commercial use allowed. If this goes through and Kazaa loses, it will set a powerful precedent regarding EULA enforcement. Not to mention it will put a few dozen more old grannies sitting on their porch, handing out Werthers Originals to their MP3 player-toting grandkids at risk for being slapped in the face with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darmoth Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I would like to state that I'm not Pro-Piracy, I'm VERY Anti-RIAA. That said.... GO KAZAA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 First things first: I am against software piracy, and anyone recommending illegal downloads on the forums will feel my wrath and anger :D Ok, that out of the way, I detest and abhor the invasion of privacy as practiced by the RIAA, and I wish the makers of kazaa the best of luck in their lawsuit. For the RIAA to be in breach of EULAs etc is just pure hypocrisy. I think copyright laws worldwide are in need of updating. There are a few things which really gall me about all this copyright stuff. First of all, trying to listen to music before you buy a cd is not easy. You can usually stream 30 seconds of a track from the official website, and maybe you can hear a single on the radio. I'm sure it's happened to a few people here - you hear a great song on the radio, you go out and buy the album - and it's crap. You have just wasted £10 + because the rest of the record was not up to the standard of the one song you've heard. So by rights, you ought to be able to claim your money back on the grounds of false advertising. Yeah right - you try getting a refund for a cd you don't like! So, if the record industry keep insisting on their strict copyright laws I think consumers should be entitled to refunds or to listening to the entire album legally before buying. Then there's all this stuff about unauthorised copying, broadcasting etc. So if I copy a cd I've purchased onto a tape because my car hasn't got a cd player, is that unauthorised copying? After all, haven't I purchased the right to listen to this music when and where I want? What happens if I ask a friend over so they can listen to the album - is that unauthorised broadcasting? Will I be in breach of copyright if I have music on in the car and drive around with the car windows open? The way copyright laws are now you can take them to absurb extremes. Also, I think with the copyright should come an obligation on the part of the manufacturer - namely to make the material available for legal purchase during the duration of the copyright. So if a record is not released in a certain country, copyright should not apply there. If a company no longer markets a computer game, copyright should cease and the game should become freeware. If a book is out of print, it should be legal for people wishing to read this book to download it off a website. Perhaps copyright should be split in active and inactive copyright - when a product has been withdrawn from the market, copyright should become inactive, ie. only the idea in it is protected and cannot be used in other products, but the product in it's entirety can be distributed freely. It's not likely to happen though - due to sheer commercial greed by the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darmoth Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I completely agree with you Theta. 10 Pounds? That's... a little under 20 bucks in the states, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 £10 would be about $15 I think...and that's about as cheap as you can get a recent release. Some of them are more like £17...which gets really annoying when they're rubbish! I think rather than trying to fight the symptoms - music piracy - the record industry should perhaps look at the causes and bring their own house in order first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmons78 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I think rather than trying to fight the symptoms - music piracy - the record industry should perhaps look at the causes and bring their own house in order first... Very well spoken, Theta. I am in complete agreement with this. I absolutely hate having to spend $15 or more to buy a cd for one song. And just as has been said, that is usually the only good song on the entire album. If I was to go through my collection of cds (which is pretty extensive), I can still single out the ones that I purchased for only one song, and didn't like the rest of it. That, coupled with the price, is the main reason why mp3s have become so popular. It is a way to get the music that you want, without having to spend oodles of money on what ends up being a worthless album. The actual cost for a record company to produce one cd is not anywhere near the price it costs for a consumer to buy one (we're talking a difference of over $10). So until the record industry decides to lower the price on its product (which will happen when people stop being greedy, and that's right around the time when hell will freeze over), people are going to share music at sites such as KaZaa. I certainly hope that KaZaa will win this lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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