Perfect World

[Vindekarr]

Mine would be a world of industry.

 

You find nature beautiful? I see beauty in the perfection of industry and machinery. While many see them as an eyesore, I find massive Oil Rigs a symbol of strength, resilience, progress, and power. While you may hate refineries and tank farms, I see them as magnificent monuments to the power of humanity's imagination.

 

Vast machines, magnificent in their complexity and ability. Call me crazy, but I just love machines. That whole industrial aesthetic is what I like. For me a perfect world would be a world of iron and steel, terraformed gardens emerging like jewels amidst a sea of concrete, iron, and iridium.

 

An iridium jungle; a perfect monument to the ability of humanity to grow, change, and make, a monument to the power of creation. Machines do not go to war, when an incompatibility to encountred, it is resolved via modifying established protocol. They do not go to war because they do not want to change their way of life, when one machine conflicts with another, they both change for the greater good.

 

And with such wonders of technology and iron around us, humanity itself would floruish. Free from the tyrany of work and labour, class divides would be rewritten or even cast out entirely. Rather than spending your adult life a slave to the need for more and more money, with machines to work, we could live our entire lives free men and women.

 

My perfect future world: machine and nature blended and intertwined.

[HappyHerring]

I'm not so sure aboutt a transhunmanist future, I suspect that given all eternity (relative to running speed) there would be awfully long time to find tedium. How do people deal with tedium - more extravagant externalisation of desires with the more extreme becoming the norm. A transhuman future of slave camps/rape debauchary and or cannibalistic & sadistic domination of others, not for me thanks. The greater the sytem capacity the greater the number of subsidiary personalities we could run simultaneously, how many of those would be happy with a bucolic existence?

I also have some issues with an industrialist future, unless we were to move into a future of massed usage of smart matter our population will pretty quickly outstrip resource availibility. Living in a kilometre tall organic/pseudo organic structure may be the way of an ideal future but we'd better pay some attention to the issues of the present first.

A nonhuman world seems to offer a respite from misery but whose misery? Who judges the degree of suffering of nonhuman creatures/artificial intelligences?

As a typical human I know that despite having issues with the above that I could easily embrace and enjoy all three or combined elements of the three. My idea of perfection might only be achievable on a Ring habitat which has a foolishly large living space/upload space but unfortunately as I suspect our technological society is destroying itself through destruction of it's all important home base and so we will become eventual victims of our present mass exticntion event all that I can do is recycle, be decent and read optimistic SF.

 

Despite all - here's hoping.

[Vindekarr]

Hmmm.

 

I would like to live in a world of machines because machines are so much more intelligent than we are.

 

The only sort of wisdom to be found on this earth is almost certain to have come out of a machine; because they're being of pure logic, and most conflict comes out of illogical stupidity.

 

Im not talking about urbanisation, Im talking about completely re balancing the habitational sphere of existance that machines grow and spread and evolve like animals, and plants are contructed and given purpose like machines.

 

A world of living macromechanic wonder. Terrible yet beautiful, with each machine being "made" of tiny nanomachine components that allow it to move, change, and behave like a living substance. Wild machines taking the place of animals, plants, a food chain of machines. Predators that destroy prey to absorb their component resources. Prey that act by either pruning growth off larger, inanimate treelike growing machines or by drawing waste products into themselves.

 

A self sustaining darwinian biosphere of machines.

[HappyHerring]

It sounds fabulous but I think it'd be better if we had the tech to seed the solar/radiation rich 'dead' worlds & minor bodies of the solar system with the progenitors of such organisms. Any modifications we make to this ecosphere should be along the lines of amelioration rather than overwhelming it with newer faster & more vicious competition. The damage to earth is still being done and we can't put it back into some pristine condition but lets make some effort whilst spreading the seeds of life, in whatevver manner, throughout the system.

[marharth]

About the machine world...

 

My world would be like this, ruled mainly be machines on the outside, and in the program people would have no ruler unless they decide to have one within there own world.

 

I think a program like a huge MMORPG that would be like real life, would be good.

[GetOutOfBox]

At this point in time the perfect world would be one without humans, but we are slowly but surely evolving for the better. We've ascended out of the anarchy and primitive culture of the past to the better feudal system which unites a nation under one leader allowing for technological and cultural growth, but is flawed in such a way that unless that leader has good intentions its easy to exploit people in a feudal government. We moved from feudal to various republic type government which gave more freedom and a voice to the people, allowing for peaceful changes in law and beliefs (ideally at least). We moved from that to today's democratic type system many countries employ.

 

Various economic changes have occurred as well, capabilities and global economy being one of the most beneficial of them (though not the best conceivable economic systems, just the best implemented successfully). If we could successfully adopt a Socialist system many more great advances for mankind would be made, though such a large change will take a while to be conceived, as the people's culture must move into the future with it.

 

Basically, I'm optimistic that one day humans will get to the point where we've managed to set aside our differences and live in harmony. It is possible, just difficult and will take time. A good example how humans can become more accepting of each other is black people being considered equal to white people in many of todays countries. In my country, Canada, a black person is considered completely equal to a white person, most people don't even think of the difference. The same goes in America. Compare that to about 150 years ago, in the time of my Great-Grandfather's youth, black people were still being sold as slaves in America, even in Canada, where slavery was illegal, there was still much prejudice against black people, they still were considered less intelligent and physically capable than white people. Now back to today, most people in America/Canada don't even really distinguish between black and white people, they consider them to be the same (which makes sense since the only difference between black and white people is a few aesthetic differences, we're still the same race, the most obvious physical proof being that a white person can conceive a child with a black person). If we can do that in 150 years, I'm sure in the next 500 years, racism will be considered a thing of the past, something the "barbarian ancestors" practiced.

[DarkZerker]

A perfect world or a utopia in my opinion needs these characteristics.

 

1. A perfect system of government where no politician is corrupt or corrupt politicians are swiftly taken care of before they do damage.

2. A system where racial superiority or inferiority does not exist and all races are equal under the banner of humanity.

3. Where humans are seen only as other humans and none are given prejudices about race, religion, physical or mental disabilities, or gender. Merely seen as other humans.

4. For this planet to finally unite under the banner of humanity. Not under the banner of the U.S, nor China, nor Russia, nor U.K, or any other country, only as humans.

5. For humans to either coexist with or conquer this planet. That's the dream isn't it? Global Warming not existing but we still having electricity. Pollution not existing but we still having cars, planes, trains, and massive factories. I don't want to screw up this world but I equally don't want to give up any luxury I have just because this planet says so.

 

But above all, I want choice. The choice whether to buy Fallout or Elder Scrolls. The choice whether to have a Big Mac or a Whopper. A choice on every piece of my life. All choices have pros and cons but I want them to be there. A perfect world for me is no crime, no war, and above all, freedom of the masses to a point. But of course, justice has a price, the price is freedom.

Edited December 21, 2010 by DarkZerker

[ilDuderoni]

Our perfect world is what it is right now. Whatever problems we have right now are our fault, its our nature to cause problems so we can solve them. We are children who need a toy, but have grown up, so a box of Lego just won't make do.

This perfect world is the perfect world for humans.

A perfect world however is, as aptly said by CommanderCrazy, one without humans.

 

In order to achieve both above mentioned worlds, we would have to change the nature of ourselves.

But once we do, would the above stated "Our perfect" world still be ours? Are we still talking about the same perfect world then in the same ideal image?

We have to keep in mind that, we are no longer the innocent humans of so many ages ago. Every person in the world right now wears a little bit of guilt. Using these very computers, computers that are made in polluting factories. Even a pure nun probably has some guilt in her family tree.

 

I got incredibly confused on how I'd put my point together. This topic's a brainbreaker.

[phoneyLogic]

A perfect world is one without humans.

Thanks God that me and woman are definately not considered to be human.

I mean, if I had a word on it. :teehee:

 

But either way, I support stopping the destruction of the rain forrests as well.

 

Our perfect world is what it is right now. Whatever problems we have right now are our fault, its our nature to cause problems so we can solve them. We are children who need a toy, but have grown up, so a box of Lego just won't make do.

This perfect world is the perfect world for humans.

A perfect world however is, as aptly said by CommanderCrazy, one without humans.

 

In order to achieve both above mentioned worlds, we would have to change the nature of ourselves.

But once we do, would the above stated "Our perfect" world still be ours? Are we still talking about the same perfect world then in the same ideal image?

We have to keep in mind that, we are no longer the innocent humans of so many ages ago. Every person in the world right now wears a little bit of guilt. Using these very computers, computers that are made in polluting factories. Even a pure nun probably has some guilt in her family tree.

 

I got incredibly confused on how I'd put my point together. This topic's a brainbreaker.

:thumbsup: But is it possible to change human nature?

We also have different opinions about how a perfect world would look like.

One doesn't care about nature and only wants to earn money or he may just hate nature, because he made bad experiences with not that friendly animals. Another one loves nature and hates every facility or industrys.

 

Thus we really can't get a perfect world for everyone, since there is just one.

Edited January 5, 2011 by tortured Tomato

[Harbringe]

Hmmm.

 

I would like to live in a world of machines because machines are so much more intelligent than we are.

 

Hmmm

 

Did you ever try talking to a toaster