Valve/Bethesda announce paid modding for Skyrim, more games to follow

[Terramaris]

In response to post #24577124. #24577239, #24577359, #24577374, #24577389, #24577464 are all replies on the same post.

phantompally76 wrote:

WightMage wrote: Can confirm: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430324898

"
This item is no longer for sale
This item is no longer for sale, but if you have purchased it, you will still have access to it."

Dafuq?

Azulyn wrote: I think it had something to do with Fore and Chesko's use of his animation assets or some such

OWA1 wrote: I think the creator of FNIS asked him to remove it, as it uses his resources.

Userper wrote: The hate likely got to much for the guy...
not suprised though.

willow123 wrote: yup

Edit: Ty Wightmage, I wonder why he would remove it? Maybe we are getting through to the paywall modders? Edited April 24, 2015 by freedom613

[Azulyn]

In response to post #24577124. #24577239, #24577309 are all replies on the same post.

phantompally76 wrote:

WightMage wrote: Can confirm: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430324898

"
This item is no longer for sale
This item is no longer for sale, but if you have purchased it, you will still have access to it."

Dafuq?

freedom613 wrote: What do you mean, is he no longer selling it?

I think it had something to do with Fore and Chesko's use of his animation assets or some such

[OWA1]

In response to post #24577124. #24577239, #24577309, #24577359 are all replies on the same post.

phantompally76 wrote:

WightMage wrote: Can confirm: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430324898

"
This item is no longer for sale
This item is no longer for sale, but if you have purchased it, you will still have access to it."

Dafuq?

freedom613 wrote: What do you mean, is he no longer selling it?

Azulyn wrote: I think it had something to do with Fore and Chesko's use of his animation assets or some such

I think the creator of FNIS asked him to remove it, as it uses his resources.

[knightspk2]

In response to post #24577154.

willow123 wrote:

People are charging for SKSE mods, so I guess not...

[Userper]

In response to post #24577124. #24577239, #24577309, #24577359, #24577374 are all replies on the same post.

phantompally76 wrote:

WightMage wrote: Can confirm: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430324898

"
This item is no longer for sale
This item is no longer for sale, but if you have purchased it, you will still have access to it."

Dafuq?

freedom613 wrote: What do you mean, is he no longer selling it?

Azulyn wrote: I think it had something to do with Fore and Chesko's use of his animation assets or some such

OWA1 wrote: I think the creator of FNIS asked him to remove it, as it uses his resources.

The hate likely got to much for the guy...
not suprised though.

[Reaper0021]

In response to post #24571929. #24572044, #24572064, #24572299, #24573824, #24573909, #24574109, #24574289, #24574414, #24574694, #24574724, #24574819, #24574964, #24575344, #24575629, #24575824, #24576304, #24576599, #24576729 are all replies on the same post.

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:

boulegue wrote: bethesda decided to legalize it

Azarakos wrote: Valve and Bethesda get 75% of the mod income, the modder himself/herself get 25%. More money to the companies.

Welcome to capitalism, brother.

boulegue wrote: a musician gets much less for their music, a developer gets much less for their work on the game, a writer gets much less for their books.....

valve is being very generous in that department

swiftfoxmark2 wrote: Yes, I know that. But I'm referring to the Nexus policy.

boulegue wrote: the nexus is probably not able to give bethesda a share or bethesda is simply not interested in it and partnered with valve

WightMage wrote: And this why self publishing books and indie record labels are all the rage now. So too should it be with mods, IMO.

boulegue wrote: in the top 15 combined print & e-book fiction bestseller list of march 2015 all are published by established publishers to lazy to look up the music charts but i could bet its similar.... selfpublished and indie labels remain a minority because they cant afford the advertising big publishers can.... just as with games.... theres a few exceptions like minecraft but even that has now a big publisher behind it now

Reaper0021 wrote: This statement is 100% wrong. I work in the "Entertainment Industry" in the 'literature' side of things. Author's don't "Get" less for their books in that capacity. Nor is it "Much Less". You claim to work in the 'industry' and if so cool. But please don't step where you have no knowledge.

boulegue wrote: the industry standart for royalties for books is 10% correct?

Reaper0021 wrote: Wrong. Dependent on several factors but not limited to: Authors previous works, legal, notoriety, part of a series/contractual, etc. Too many things to list. No, 10% is not even worth the ink.

Reaper0021 wrote: Writers i.e. Script Writers might get away with that. Think someone like "S. King, R.A. Salvatore or numerous other well known authors would settle for that? No. The amount fluctuates and is dependent on many factors.

boulegue wrote: okay none of our modders here no matter how good they are are world renown they are literally starting the business today

Reaper0021 wrote: Very true. But your statement is still wrong. You've gone from 21 posts today to your current 87. Obviously this is a subject you care about. So, let me just say this once more for your own benefit: I'm NOT against modder's making money. Hell, Bethesda should have paid some of these people out of their own pockets months ago for taking their game and breathing a whole new life into it. I'm looking at/worried about the bigger picture. I'm just that way....far thinking. What I'm afraid of is this will add fire to the current trend of "Pay to Win". An example for you: The Total War Games. Rome II, Attila....all of them have factions. Many in fact. What CA/SEGA does is cuts out the blood, gore, factions, etc. and offers them up as "DLC". Pricey in the long run. This trend needs to stop.

boulegue wrote: its actually 4am and im just unable to sleep i really dont care either way i wont buy mods on steam workshop myself i started by telling people that they could file DMCA complaints if something of their work got stolen.... and i believe i started with 2 comments yesterday just a coincedent i couldnt sleep and came here at the right/wrong time

and i 100% agree you that the pay to win & microtransaction crap has to end.... but starting a whitch hunt at the modders that are trying to make money off of it (not you but others) and others crying for the worlds end just makes it kinda entertaining i could also argue against the valve system but theres already 9000 people signing the petition and another couple hundred here and on steam being against it... very few people defending people like cheesko, isoku and blacklake that do nothing wrong

Reaper0021 wrote: I'm on YOUR side. I agree. Modders if they want money and deserve it and CAN get it....okay. I just think better ideas are abounding about how to do it man. Much better ones that won't encourage STEAM/Valve to keep taking every damn chance to milk us for every last damn $$$ we got/get/will get.

marthgun wrote: boulegue -

Don't make it out like people are mad that mod authors are getting paid. I think that is the least of anyone's concern. They should get paid if they feel so inclined through donations. I support that 100%

There are other more important issues at hand here. 25% being chief among them, followed closely behind by DMCA fears. What's going to happen if Valve gets copywrite for all these mods? Can offering the same mod that just changes a few globals get taken down here? There is going to be no way to tell and a whole bunch of crap flinging. As it stands, its a terrible idea and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise.

ScrollTron1c wrote: Actually ValveThesda should pay modders for their work - from their own stash of dollars.

Would be interesting to know how many people only bought Skyrim because of the mods.

deadblood01 wrote: me i have it on xbox but bought it again on PC only for mods

I've personally been responsible for 4 different people buying "Skyrim" on PC when they already owned it on XBOX/PS3 simply for mods. I've shown them my mods in action and have wowed them with that as well as screenshots. 3 of them bought it for $29.99 on STEAM w/all DLC's another bought it for $19.99 if memory serves me correctly. They did it just for Falskar, Undeath, etc. Yeah.....it's blatantly obvious "Mod Makers" sold those games not me. They deserve $$$$ for that (2 of my friends did donate to PayPals). That says something about the power of this community.

[popcorn71]

In response to post #24577154. #24577384, #24577509 are all replies on the same post.

willow123 wrote:

knightspk2 wrote: People are charging for SKSE mods, so I guess not...

willow123 wrote: but i did rember say on the website you download it from must not be use to gain money or something like that

Nope. As far as I understand you can literally do whatever you want with SKSE.
Here is a link to the MIT License SKSE is released under.

http://opensource.org/licenses/MIT Edited April 24, 2015 by popcorn71

[Reaper0021]

I've personally been responsible for 4 different people buying "Skyrim" on PC when they already owned it on XBOX/PS3 simply for mods. I've shown them my mods in action and have wowed them with that as well as screenshots. 3 of them bought it for $29.99 on STEAM w/all DLC's another bought it for $19.99 if memory serves me correctly. They did it just for Falskar, Undeath, etc. Yeah.....it's blatantly obvious "Mod Makers" sold those games not me. They deserve $$$$ for that (2 of my friends did donate to PayPals). That says something about the power of this community.

 

Valve is just implementing this wrong and in a way that I'm worried about is all. (DMCA being foremost).

[fgambler]

In response to post #24576539. #24576709, #24576894, #24577109, #24577169, #24577289 are all replies on the same post.

WightMage wrote:

fgambler wrote: The problem is other people stealing their work. Take custom textures as example. Modders that make standalone followers hardly use vanilla textures or make their own.

XenocideAgain wrote: And? When you release a free product like this it is to be expected. You will mostly get a bunch of crap copies that don't do anything but occasionally there might be that one that improves on want one started. If you don't want people to copy your work don't share it, that simple. People will ALWAYS copy others no stopping it. Its good to see that people are taking a stand.

WightMage wrote: This is true. In this day and age, it is damn near impossible to stop people from copying your work. Is it unethical? Yes- but unless you find creative ways to stop it that can't be easily circumvented (certain DRM, or scripts that fire upon detecting a bootleg copy which renders the game unplayable) your only other options are to make use of the pirating as free marketing and hope more people buy your stuff (has been done before), or to not release it.

It is as much a reality in today's world as dying is, and it won't change short of a worldwide disaster that obliterates the internet. And even then, people are still going to see you make something, and copy it.

fgambler wrote: Sure it's expected, and it's also the reason it might kill free and good modding.

WightMage wrote: Why would it kill free and good modding anymore now than before? It's not like people didn't pirate prior to the changes made today.

Not too long ago there was a shitstorm regarding the rightful creators of a Fate/Stay Night mod, for instance...

The absolute majority of the modders just ask for permission to use their assets as long as it's distributed freely.

Things change drastically when money is involved.

[willow123]

In response to post #24577124. #24577239, #24577309, #24577359, #24577374, #24577389 are all replies on the same post.

phantompally76 wrote:

WightMage wrote: Can confirm: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430324898

"
This item is no longer for sale
This item is no longer for sale, but if you have purchased it, you will still have access to it."

Dafuq?

freedom613 wrote: Edit: Ty Wightmage

Azulyn wrote: I think it had something to do with Fore and Chesko's use of his animation assets or some such

OWA1 wrote: I think the creator of FNIS asked him to remove it, as it uses his resources.

Userper wrote: The hate likely got to much for the guy...
not suprised though.

yup