Steam Service Providers, and some how needing to clarify the Nexus stance again

[MoonSpot]

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nekollx wrote:

umm. okay. Thanks, bye.

[steelgunner6]

How sick. The one person I'd have expected to not sell out, sold out.

 

Modding has already taken the leap and it is only a matter of time before it crashes into the ground and becomes nothing but a bastardization of what it once was. Heavy-handed DRM, restricted modding resources, publisher-controlled distribution platforms, and of course, pay-walls are in the future of modding.

 

Pat yourself on the back for being one of the biggest contributors to the death of one of the best aspects of PC gaming.

 

Paid modders? Community involvement? More like 3rd-party DLC mills.

 

How disappointing.

[Brasscatcher]

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Brasscatcher wrote: I've seen a disturbing trend in people's rationale to monetize their mods: "I didn't have any time for it in my life anymore...until they offered me money for it".

The only logical response to this I've managed to come up with is: If your life has evolved in ways that makes modding for the joy of modding to no longer be appealing or relevant to you...you need to stop. The community will miss you, but it will survive. Making room for new people, new ideas, is the natural order of things. Take the skills you've honed in the modding scene and make your own IPs, your own brands, and I hope you make millions for it, if not a solid living.

Keep modding functionally immune from legal battles, corporate avarice and manipulation from outside the fence is critical to keeping it fruitful and fertile.

I really liked your post. This is the thing I'd like to add to it that has been bothering me as the conversation here has run off into crazy places.

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BattleyaxStudios wrote: @Brasscatcher, who are you to tell someone that they need to stop doing anything. If you can't afford to take the time to do a hobby, then getting money for it would help make it worthwhile. If you don't like it then you don't have to download, but don't tell them they shouldn't make mods because they aren't doing it purely out of passion anymore.

Ahh, and who are *they* to demand that something we have always done for fun and the challenge of bending a thing into new shapes purely for amusement somehow now merits being called "work" and deserving of compensation? Funny how everyone was okay right up until corporate money was on the table. Those who wanted to mod did so, those who had to think about their financial situation, or had just moved on with their lives without modding had done so...only to come running back because Valve flashed some dosh under their noses.

This is a two-edged sword, friend. I reiterate: If the game no long has a place in your life until some sprinkles money on it: You. Are. Doing. It. Wrong. If you genuinely think you're going to put food on the table making mods you're crazy. Double-crazy if you think you "deserve" it.

[WBFerret]

Thank You! Dark0ne, the staff, Modders, and other contributors for your hard work, quality content and dedication to this community! I love Skyrim now with the ability to mod and improve the game experience. You have made a mediocre game filled with flaws bugs and poor textures into some thing worth playing, Thank you! Too all the Trolls :P bite my shinny metal @$$

 

 

[dpgillam]

Poor Chesko. He sold away his rights without knowing it. And assumed that everyone else was just as ignorant. (ignorant as in "uneducated in this area", not intended insultingly) Hopefully anyone else thinking of going pay realizes this same issue: you lose all right to your work when you sell it to Valve. If you're ok with that, good luck.

 

The problem is that Valve IS culpable if it sells "defective" mods, using "stolen" work or trying to sell a mod that has another pay mod as a pre-req. Their only hope is to bury you in lawyers and outspend you to make it go away. Which is stupid, since a much smaller pay-off gets the same results.

[ValtielCurse]

Go take a look at Gabe Newell post on Reddit. He is willing to hear to complaints there. Good opportunity to share our opinions, all of them.

[modskyrimtopieces]

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Reaper0021 wrote: Seriously? Ad revenues make money for Nexus as do donations and memberships and.....oh why bother your just another damn Conspiracy Theorist with his mind made-up. Go somewhere else then and good luck.

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WhiskyTime wrote: You forgot to differ the members that are acutally part of the community, and members like me, who write their 2nd post ever on Nexus although registered since 2008. I guess people like me just don´t give a ... .

Whatever the Nexus people do with the money they earn - in my oppinion, the site´s running good and after all, we can be happy that there´s things like this community. Getting mods for a game was not that comfortable some time ago.

Anyway, what i wanted to say is - i don´t need "to-the-point" answers and there´s surely a good amount of people who think the same - as long as everything´s running well there´s no problem.
For the record - the only thing i was asked for is to turn off my Adblocker - nobody told me this site would not run without a £1.29 "donation".

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Brasscatcher wrote: Wooow.

What flavor is your Kool-Aid, man? You're supposed to dilute that stuff with water, y'know?

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Psijonica wrote: Reaper you are just becoming a troll! People are allowed to have different opinions. There is no need to start with the insults. I thought you said you were an adult? ACT LIKE ONE PLEASE!

Obviously modskyrimtopieces I support everything you have stated here today.Keep fighting.

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modskyrimtopieces wrote: Thing is, the guys behind the Nexus sound as bad as Steam. They have turned modding into a business for them, but not the modders. I understand the need to accumulate funds for running a large website, but the numbers don't add up to me.

Is this site actually registered as a business? Because it seems clear now that people behind this site are actually profiting and this steam drama lately has exposed this.

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hellosanta wrote: As far as I know, that's how much money it costed to run this site, not that they make that much out of this site. If you have read previous posts and all, you'd know that Nexus was in serious financial problem and Dark0ne has to put his own money to make the site running smoothly. And the ad we see on the site? That wasn't there when I first joined the community. Modding community got bigger, or at least there has been huge influx of people who want to mod their games in recent years, so Nexus has to upgrade its server and database. That costs a lot of money. Well, you can still come up with all sorts of conspiracy based on distrust for everything everyone says in Nexus. But, I understand Dark0ne taking small portion of cut from paid mods if the modders deem Nexus to be service provider and want to express thanks. Cause, you know, while admitting that modders should be compensated for their works and efforts while denying the time, work and money put into providing space where people can share mods and information for free is just dirty double standard.

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modskyrimtopieces wrote: Still, offering someone around £20,000 for a simple job seems a bit odd to me if the site was in "financial difficulty".

Oh and to even offer a salary like that, this website would have to be registered as a business and pay tax accordingly.

This isn't a conspiracy theory at all, I'm just looking at this site in a logical, analytical and lawful way.

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WhiskyTime wrote: I don´t even know why you insist on an answer. What does actually change for you, as a customer, if this site is registered as a buisness (and I guess it is, since the owner of Nexus is listed as "Black Tree Gaming Ltd.). As long as this site provides Mods for free, i just don´t see a problem - and I don´t think that will change.

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Reaper0021 wrote: Seriously don't call me a "Troll" for stating the obvious. I'm sorry your mad and upset about the modding situation and your thoughts of Dark0ne being on the take, but no need to bark at me. YOU are the one all over the damned forums accusing Dark0ne of being in some sort of cahoots with Valve. You need to relax. Your the one that has to tell us all about your house and kids and partner and how responsible you are AS IF that will make your senseless babble any more sensible.

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bigdeano89 wrote: You do realize, not only how many mods are on Skyrim nexus, but on the ENTIRE Nexus database, right? Servers arent cheap, especially ones that need this much space allocated. Do some research before you claim there is something "fishy". The Nexus in its entirety literally could not run without ad revenue and memberships. Dont forget you are getting FREE access to literally hundreds of thousands of mods over a vast multitude of games.

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hellosanta wrote: I don't know whether Nexus registered as business or not, but managing server for massive website and all is legitimate IT job. It looks easy if and only if there is no problem. And £20,000? That's average salary of college graduate in Canada. So, yeah, I don't think hiring someone at £20,000 for IT job sounds anyway fishy, especially, considering that IT jobs usually have higher than average salary. It's actually pretty disturbing of you to accuse some jobs are very simple. Looks simple to YOU, innit? Well, don't jump into conclusion purely based on how it appears to be.

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modskyrimtopieces wrote: @whiskeytime

I'm not a customer. None of us are. Thats the point. Nowhere on this site are we told this is a business, yet they have paid staff with decent salaries and seem to be making money beyond ad revenue.

I see no evidence at all of "Black Tree Gaming" being a real business (how would "Black Tree Gaming" make any money anyway? Do they make games that they sell? Software that they sell? Skyrim action figures that they sell?)
"Black Tree Gaming" sounds like a cover name for a private individual (or individuals). Sounds dodgy.

This website would be called (funnily enough) www.blacktreegaming.co.uk if everything was legit.

And on the subject of server prices, £500,000 a year for this site on server storage is total rubbish. https://uk.godaddy.com/pro/windows-dedicated-server - use this link as a rough estimate. Do the math guys...

This website needs to be investigated.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06360077/BLACK-TREE-GAMING-LIMITED/financial-accounts#financials

Found a page for financials of "Black Tree Gaming".

Funny how assets and cash have been on the way up quite drastically since 2010, without any indication of money going out for the £250,000 "server update" or the annual £500,000 "server charge".

Come on guys this is ridiculous.

[nekollx]

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SchwererGustav wrote: This post wwll be deleted in...3...2...1...

 

You will see :wink:

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bigdeano89 wrote: Way to sound like an entitled 12 year old man. Dark0ne has been honest from the start. Good luck trying to find another site btw, all the others are either gone or ALSO took the service provider option. That includes AFKmods etc.

 

Dark0ne is not the only site to do that, so stop making them out to be the bad guys. Nexus has been around for years giving mod authors FREE space for mods big and small.

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Why would I delete it? It's a perfect example of the people who don't actually read what I write and, in the process, make themselves look stupid.

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SchwererGustav wrote: Because 2 of my comments got delleted befor...

 

The 1st was a bit aggressive the 2nd not at all.

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rotwhip wrote: ooooh someone is angry.

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Psijonica wrote: I read what you wrote and I can only giggle that you have lowered yourself to calling me "stupid" LoL

 

You can fool all the kids here but anyone with real business and life experience sees right through you.

 

If I am stupid because I don't take your words at face value then so be it... I am a stupid person who drives a Super Snake and I am laughing at how stupid you may think I am.

 

Basically you are still supporting Pay-for-Mods just that you are calling it by a different name. Many modders like Emma (I guess you think she is stup[id too now eh? Remember her, yoiur old friend who helped you with your uploaded system all thiose years ago?) also believe that this is wrong in every aspect... but I guess we are just stupid.

 

I can't really tell youwhat I think of you because hey, I'm in an unfair possition where you are able to swing insults but I can't.

 

Congratulations! *Applause*

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benissugger wrote: he said you "make yourself[es] look stupid", not "you are stupid".

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JoeyLock wrote: So basically Psijonica, you're saying "Stop asking me for money! Dark0ne just pay the $500,000 to run this community per year and deal with it!" yes? Think about that statement, Endorsements, Permissions and Donations are the very things that keep this community and these mods afloat, if you want 100% free mods, make them all yourself and pay for the site to upload them on.

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twhelan wrote: We must excuse those who cannot understand the context of a single sentence.

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WightMage wrote: What does Emma, creator of Vilja, have anything to do with this?

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Dark0ne wrote: You started with, in response to my article:

 

 

 

I've already written:

 

 

 

So you either didn't read it, or you read it, and then decided to say I was painting myself as the "saviour of the free modding community" when I've specifically said I neither am or want to have that title. So yes, you look stupid. Even more so, now.

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I'm sure that threatening to close your FREE Nexus account that you pay NOTHING for, has most of the people at The Nexus quaking in their boots.

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seversky wrote: Psijonica, you are an incredibly spoiled little child. Go away please. Don't come back.

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phantompally76 wrote: I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.

 

Quite the opposite, actually.

 

And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.

 

You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.

 

And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.

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Reaper0021 wrote: There is no "Bigger Deal". All of it was blatantly obvious, in the open and known by those of us that bothered to read it. These attacks are starting to get pretty damn pathetic. There was/is no conspiracy nor big deals made that have betrayed anyone.

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TKHBMVP wrote: From my community experiences in the early 90ies until now on several forums and when usnet newsgroups support forums started remembering from the past, nothing has changed so far with the participants and their communication habbits ;-) It is still the same.

But when I read across all of this thread I'm happy that a lot of people making up their mind on this topic and thinking about the different point of views of the involved people.

Finally this proved that Nexus has a great audience and value modders and members sharing a most valuable content.

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Psijonica wrote: YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA :laugh: The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.

 

I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?

 

*SIGH* Look at his last words, "That is what I will fight. That is what I will champion against." and tell me that he is not proclaiming himself as the white knight LoL

 

and to those of you who say he is not making money, please who are you fooling... he is raking it in and he is only here instead of on vacation trying to protect his money.

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joeriz9 wrote: Keep it up kiddo, Good way to get yourself banned by not reading anything that has actually been said.

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Reaper0021 wrote: Why are you even posting Psijonica? I mean what's the point you're trying to make beyond just annoying the staff? He was transparent about this whole thing to begin with. There is no hidden agenda. It was publicly posted and I read it before it was brought up by a member who found it the same way I did: Just looked and it was there. It wasn't 'hidden' and wasn't an attempt to be deceptive.

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locomotive1236 wrote: "YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.

 

I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?"

 

If you consider that bullying, I'm not sure what world you live in. As I understand it from his posts, he's staying neutral at the moment because he understands both sides. I also do not see any point of arguing with someone who is incapable of see things from only one perspective and have such a fragile self-esteem.

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MCato wrote: "As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community you are not fooling me"

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Please show me any of your mods, even the smallest. Then I'll take your words seriously

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Actually, no he didn't, what you HAVE done though, is shown that twice now, you lack any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, which also explains why you have the whole Valve/Nexus thing so wrong.

 

Because you read and then interpret everything the way you WANT it to be, rather than the way it actually IS, facts be damned.

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SchwererGustav wrote: It's a joke really , anybody with a brain can see were this is going and it is definitely not going to be good for modders who do it for the love of modding and not for the shekkels.

 

The corps and shareholders will love this news, a lot of people (with a lot of money) will make a quick buck and leave the modding community in the dirt.

 

But who are we to judge we don't have a shitload of servers that the community payd for...

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Reaper0021 wrote: Had is right. Your a stone-headed kid that's got a conspiracy theory to play with and I'll be damned if your immature ass isn't going to play with it. You just refuse to read and comprehend what's written or you see ulterior motives abounding in everything people say and do.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: I hope I don't regret bringing this point up. We are entitled to opinions are we not? And we are allowed to doubt what people say at face value, are we not? That is part of a community and it does not help to throw insults at one another, even if it's understandable as we all have a lot of passion about modding.

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gingersnapples wrote: you sir are a clever troll, or wear lead-lined hats on a daily basis. can't decide which.

 

oh well. time ever flows onward, and this, too, shall pass.

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ZeroKing wrote: Yeah! Community effort, guys! We get stuff for free, we'll give no support for the effort here, and we demand retribution for what the site owner believes in because he has to pay for the servers..... oh wait.

 

I forgot about the $500,000 annual server cost that most of us contribute next to nothing for. Yeah, reality sucks, eh?

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Reaper0021 wrote: Yes your opinions are indeed welcome. This person isn't stating an "Opinion" this person has taken facts, mixed them up into his/her own little theory, and is attacking Dark0ne. Best if you don't get involved in it as you too seem to not know whats going on either. ****I'm giving you Kudos Zero cause I haven't seen you in so long.

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Psijonica wrote: No reaper he has not been honest at all. When explain your self and leave out certain elements then that is being dishonest.

 

Let's face it, the reason he is saying is is neutral is because he is afraid to actually state his position. Wishy washy... and because I have an opposite opinion of how he has handled this now everybody trolls me. LoL Like I care. I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.

 

I believer he has lied, I believe he is not being honest and I don't trust his so called good intentions.

 

I can not believe for the life of me what is happening and you know what, if this goes through then this whole generation deserves SOPA and all the other corporations to come in take over the internet.

 

Of course I say that with tongue in cheek but I have been fighting the machine my whole life and I am getting tired... this really makes me not want to care any more and just let the children work it out themselves.

 

Pay-for-mods is the absolute worst thing that can happen and it is pretty much a done deal.

 

If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?

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ZeroKing wrote: PhD in biomedical engineering, have a wife and 6 children. Disabled from the waist down, and still work across 17 countries annually.

 

Doesn't pay Robin's server bills with my personal morals and my credentials, does it?

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Reaper0021 wrote: "Pay for mods" is a bad idea. I'm 44, own 4 houses (live in one rent the others 3 small houses to help my disability) and have 1 child...no wife. And? The make-up of my family or my residence doesn't validate my words any more than it does yours. He isn't betraying us. It was always there to see...I know I read it. I'm sorry this has all happened to turn this community on it's damned head. I've seen you posting in forums before and you are one smart guy. You really are. I've enjoyed your input in the past and it's hard for me to see you being this willfully stubborn.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: Ha, thank you... I think :/ I have never considered myself a troll (only learnt what it was a couple of year ago...) being a bit of old fashioned.

 

I just think it can be unwise to just use the arguement that "it's just the way it is". But I also think there can be constructive ways to talk about this. As in trying to organise a way of reducing this "slippery slope" that has been mentioned a number of times. And I wanted to suggest that getting hissy with each other is not going to help... perhaps that what was predicted to happen??

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benjaminpen wrote: Are you drunk? No, seriously... Are you? You seem a little incoherent to me.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I see no conflict between the following two statements:

"I WILL NOT fight someone's right to charge for mods on ANOTHER site. It is NOT okay to charge for mods on THIS site."

"I WILL fight anyone who says I don't have the right to NOT CHARGE for mods on MY site."

 

And no, I don't think that mod authors being able to donate some of the money being made to the Nexus is a conflict either.

 

edit: He didn't get the money from the modders' cut, he got it from Valve's cut.

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Reaper0021 wrote: Your right Sunshine maybe that's what I needed to calm down was an impartial 3rd to say something. Yeah I'm going to let this rest for now. Try again tomorrow I think. Peace to you all and Kudos to Sunshinenbrick.

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HadToRegister wrote:

 

Yet here you are, complaining about seeing advertisements on your FREE account.

If you actually HAD all of that stuff, and were mature, you wouldn't need to list ANY of that, as it has NOTHING to do with your conspiracy theory.

 

 

 

Hey, let's see you contribute to the $500,000 annual upkeep for the nexus THAT YOU USE FOR FREE.

You're using a website for FREE and demanding that someone else PAY for something that has already been explained, that all of us adults were able to comprehend quite clearly on our first read-through of Robin's article.

At this point, I can only chalk up your incomprehension of Robin's explanation as, you're either Drunk, or you're now too emotionally invested in this to save face and back out out gracefully by apologizing.

 

At this point, you're in a hole so deep, and refuse to see it, that if someone threw you a ladder, you'd start digging with it.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: Thanks :D Yeah I really hope that dialogues between parties can be kept open so that they can mutually benefit each other. I know that sounds a bit soppy but I suppose (more movie taglines coming up) we do need to have some hope here... not easy I know but its that or dispair!

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Psijonica wrote: Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?

 

i am not being stubborn, I am standing up for what I believe in. There is a difference. Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods. Either way it doesn't hurt him. Right now we are downloading every mod we can because I know that all the mods for Oblivion will soon be pay- for -mod, all the Morrowind mods will be Pay-for-mod...

 

 

THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense. Now all these modders are going to cry about SOPA??? hahahaha You deserve SOPA now!

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monkeyweather wrote: Thanks for keeping this whole thing civil to the best of your abilities, and for keeping everyone in the loop as much as you can.

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SchwererGustav wrote: well i helped people to get their modded skyrim to run for 2 month in the forum after that i thought i payed back what i downloaded here.

 

and this is the only website i had my addblocker off, too(you know how every other site makes money).

 

I'm not rich and Psijonica isn't eather i guess so we take that little fun we have left in our lives,

freedom, creativity and helping other people thats what i thought was this side about, but now they sell out and take that last piece of choice that makes us burst out in anger.. can't you people understand this?

 

This deal will mark the beginning of the end off modding, the last bastion of freedom that was left...

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Pestilenz wrote: Yeah the community paid for the servers, by either choosing to get premium either because they had money to spare, wanted to help or wanted the extra features or by "gob beware" using the site and downloading mods, I feel so abused shame one you Dark0ne.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: I totally understand what you mean by paying for things through other means than money (creativity, support, non-financial contribution) however I do hope that sometimes it is best to take down things you don't agree with from within. This is to say that although I cannot speak for the site owner nor do I know, or ever talked to him, but he has stated his position and we should try give him some benefit of the doubt because there are things that can be safeguarded against.

 

Suppose time will tell but it is somewhat comforting to know that the players at hand here do see the value of the community here. Admittedly it might be money orientated, however we can have the chance to show them there is more to modding than that. Then maybe they will see that suffocating all aspects of the free community will stifle creativity. I hope. And we can start by using donation systems. But that's money I hear you say??? Yes but it is important HOW you give money and WHO you give it to.

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HadToRegister wrote:

 

I'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.

 

 

 

HE ONLY BENEFITS.......ONLY, if someone CHECKS THE BOX that says "Send 5% of the earning for this mod to the Nexus", there are also checkboxes to send 5% to the makers of NifSKope and Blender as well.

Why aren't you complaining about those two things possibly getting 5% whenever someone checks the box for them to receive 5% of the income?

 

If a modder DOESN'T check that box for The NEXUS, or NifSkope etc then the Nexus and NifSkope etc get NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING, is sent to the Nexus, NOTHING....

Do you UNDERSTAND IT YET?

 

The Nexus isn't getting a cut of any mods being sold on SteamWorks UNLESS THE MOD AUTHOR CHECKS THE BOX to let the Nexus have 5% of the sales as a "Thank You"

 

 

 

It's still "Free and Fun" (especially for YOU Ms. "Free Nexus Account" ), however, you're directing your anger at the wrong person

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Tanniss wrote: actually he is getting money from the community unless he is independantly wealthy or paying his creditors with air he gets his money from ad's that we help support by not having ad block on and by the memberships that people pay for as well as donations from the community

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Tanniss wrote: which can and will be used later on down the road to take away any credibility on darkones part if he decides to stop fence sitting and pick the side of being afraid free modding is going to disappear by saying hey why you bitching now when you had no problem taking donations from our (valves ) cut instead of the modders giving a cut to nexus for this site being such a great place to find tools and free mods

 

I am surprised that no one sees this because its buying him even if he or us dont think so because at the end of the day if you take money from those who are trying to take and run a monopoly no matter the small % given you are still silently supporting the endeavor they are trying to force down everyone elses throat

 

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Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?

 

You keep on trying to goat me with your pathetic attempts in arguing with me but I have been ignoring you. You are a troll and your continued attempts into drawing me into a flame war will fail.

 

You failed :smile:

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Reaper0021 wrote: See you made a good point and did it in such a way that doesn't speak of "Conspiracy Theories" running rampant. No your not stupid at all and you do make good points. The 'other' person on this thread is on an obvious witch hunt. Big difference. I shouldn't have to point that out to you.

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Psijonica wrote: Thanks monkeyweather, it has not been easy to keep things civil especially when the owner of the site comes and trolls my post effectively giving permission for everybody else to do the same. Shame on him for that.

 

I read all his posts and his reddits and although he tries to pretend to pin Gabe down on the DRM issue he himself doesn't even make public his own position on Pay-for-Mods.

 

This is why I don't trust him. I deal with politicians for a living, I am well tuned to the BS station.

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Reaper0021 wrote: NOBODY cares you are a Lesbian with a chip on her shoulder. Nobody cares about your sexual orientation. Period. None of us. Nobody has said anything except, after you felt the need to back-up your arguments with telling us how you own a home and your kids are responsible and your married and whatnot, all anybody has said was "Good for you and hope your happy. And my religious beliefs fly contrary to your chosen lifestyle...but do you hear me saying anything? No. Good. Nobody is going to be baited into a "Gay and Lesbian" tirade debate with you so you have yet even MORE to gripe about along with what you're already doing.

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phantompally76 wrote: you're, not your.

you're, not your.

 

 

It's late and i don't care. The point is made but ty anyway.

 

I should alos note Gopher has gone ON RECORD in support of paind modding but isn't sure of the current Method, if the big uproar is about Dark 0One geting paind to run Nexus and modders maning revenue off their work Gopher is a prime second example

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Brasscatcher wrote: I've seen a disturbing trend in people's rationale to monetize their mods: "I didn't have any time for it in my life anymore...until they offered me money for it".

 

The only logical response to this I've managed to come up with is: If your life has evolved in ways that makes modding for the joy of modding to no longer be appealing or relevant to you...you need to stop. The community will miss you, but it will survive. Making room for new people, new ideas, is the natural order of things. Take the skills you've honed in the modding scene and make your own IPs, your own brands, and I hope you make millions for it, if not a solid living.

 

Keep modding functionally immune from legal battles, corporate avarice and manipulation from outside the fence is critical to keeping it fruitful and fertile.

 

I really liked your post. This is the thing I'd like to add to it that has been bothering me as the conversation here has run off into crazy places.

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BattleyaxStudios wrote: @Brasscatcher, who are you to tell someone that they need to stop doing anything. If you can't afford to take the time to do a hobby, then getting money for it would help make it worthwhile. If you don't like it then you don't have to download, but don't tell them they shouldn't make mods because they aren't doing it purely out of passion anymore.

Ahh, and who are *they* to demand that something we have always done for fun and the challenge of bending a thing into new shapes purely for amusement somehow now merits being called "work" and deserving of compensation? Funny how everyone was okay right up until corporate money was on the table. Those who wanted to mod did so, those who had to think about their financial situation, or had just moved on with their lives without modding had done so...only to come running back because Valve flashed some dosh under their noses.

 

This is a two-edged sword, friend. I reiterate: If the game no long has a place in your life until some sprinkles money on it: You. Are. Doing. It. Wrong. If you genuinely think you're going to put food on the table making mods you're crazy. Double-crazy if you think you "deserve" it.

 

 

 

 

you know they used to use the same argument about a few other things in the past...what were they...oh yess Movies, Movies are just a hoppy get a real job! oh and Video Games honestly if Bethesesda Developers arent making Skyrim for the love of gaming they are DOING IT WRONG by your own logic

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bigdeano89 wrote: Way to sound like an entitled 12 year old man. Dark0ne has been honest from the start. Good luck trying to find another site btw, all the others are either gone or ALSO took the service provider option. That includes AFKmods etc.

Dark0ne is not the only site to do that, so stop making them out to be the bad guys. Nexus has been around for years giving mod authors FREE space for mods big and small.

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This post wwll be deleted in...3...2...1...

Why would I delete it? It's a perfect example of the people who don't actually read what I write and, in the process, make themselves look stupid.

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SchwererGustav wrote: Because 2 of my comments got delleted befor...

The 1st was a bit aggressive the 2nd not at all.

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rotwhip wrote: ooooh someone is angry.

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Psijonica wrote: I read what you wrote and I can only giggle that you have lowered yourself to calling me "stupid" LoL

You can fool all the kids here but anyone with real business and life experience sees right through you.

If I am stupid because I don't take your words at face value then so be it... I am a stupid person who drives a Super Snake and I am laughing at how stupid you may think I am.

Basically you are still supporting Pay-for-Mods just that you are calling it by a different name. Many modders like Emma (I guess you think she is stup[id too now eh? Remember her, yoiur old friend who helped you with your uploaded system all thiose years ago?) also believe that this is wrong in every aspect... but I guess we are just stupid.

I can't really tell youwhat I think of you because hey, I'm in an unfair possition where you are able to swing insults but I can't.

Congratulations! *Applause*

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benissugger wrote: he said you "make yourself[es] look stupid", not "you are stupid".

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JoeyLock wrote: So basically Psijonica, you're saying "Stop asking me for money! Dark0ne just pay the $500,000 to run this community per year and deal with it!" yes? Think about that statement, Endorsements, Permissions and Donations are the very things that keep this community and these mods afloat, if you want 100% free mods, make them all yourself and pay for the site to upload them on.

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twhelan wrote: We must excuse those who cannot understand the context of a single sentence.

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WightMage wrote: What does Emma, creator of Vilja, have anything to do with this?

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Dark0ne wrote: You started with, in response to my article:

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If people are heralding me, specifically, as their champion in the fight against paid modding then they've done that of their own accord, and I certainly haven't agreed to be that champion....Does this sound like a champion of modding being free everywhere? No, it does not. Do not use me as the poster-child for that campaign as I never said I was.

So you either didn't read it, or you read it, and then decided to say I was painting myself as the "saviour of the free modding community" when I've specifically said I neither am or want to have that title. So yes, you look stupid. Even more so, now.

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Psijonica

Am I going to close all my account? No, not yet. But as soon as there is an alternative choice you can bet I will choose it.

I'm sure that threatening to close your FREE Nexus account that you pay NOTHING for, has most of the people at The Nexus quaking in their boots.

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phantompally76 wrote: I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.

Quite the opposite, actually.

And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.

You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.

And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.

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Reaper0021 wrote: There is no "Bigger Deal". All of it was blatantly obvious, in the open and known by those of us that bothered to read it. These attacks are starting to get pretty damn pathetic. There was/is no conspiracy nor big deals made that have betrayed anyone.

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TKHBMVP wrote: From my community experiences in the early 90ies until now on several forums and when usnet newsgroups support forums started remembering from the past, nothing has changed so far with the participants and their communication habbits ;-) It is still the same.
But when I read across all of this thread I'm happy that a lot of people making up their mind on this topic and thinking about the different point of views of the involved people.
Finally this proved that Nexus has a great audience and value modders and members sharing a most valuable content.

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Psijonica wrote: YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA ;D The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.

I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?

*SIGH* Look at his last words, "That is what I will fight. That is what I will champion against." and tell me that he is not proclaiming himself as the white knight LoL

and to those of you who say he is not making money, please who are you fooling... he is raking it in and he is only here instead of on vacation trying to protect his money.

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joeriz9 wrote: Keep it up kiddo, Good way to get yourself banned by not reading anything that has actually been said.

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Reaper0021 wrote: Why are you even posting Psijonica? I mean what's the point you're trying to make beyond just annoying the staff? He was transparent about this whole thing to begin with. There is no hidden agenda. It was publicly posted and I read it before it was brought up by a member who found it the same way I did: Just looked and it was there. It wasn't 'hidden' and wasn't an attempt to be deceptive.

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locomotive1236 wrote: "YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.

I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?"

If you consider that bullying, I'm not sure what world you live in. As I understand it from his posts, he's staying neutral at the moment because he understands both sides. I also do not see any point of arguing with someone who is incapable of see things from only one perspective and have such a fragile self-esteem.

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MCato wrote: "As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community you are not fooling me"
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YaY! You called me stupid twice!

Actually, no he didn't, what you HAVE done though, is shown that twice now, you lack any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, which also explains why you have the whole Valve/Nexus thing so wrong.

Because you read and then interpret everything the way you WANT it to be, rather than the way it actually IS, facts be damned.

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SchwererGustav wrote: It's a joke really , anybody with a brain can see were this is going and it is definitely not going to be good for modders who do it for the love of modding and not for the shekkels.

The corps and shareholders will love this news, alot of people (with alot of money) will make a quick buck and leave the modding community in the dirt.

But who are we to judge we don't have a shitload of servers that the community payd for...

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Reaper0021 wrote: Had is right. Your a stone-headed kid that's got a conspiracy theory to play with and I'll be damned if your immature ass isn't going to play with it. You just refuse to read and comprehend what's written or you see ulterior motives abounding in everything people say and do.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: I hope I don't regret bringing this point up. We are entitled to opinions are we not? And we are allowed to doubt what people say at face value, are we not? That is part of a community and it does not help to throw insults at one another, even if it's understandable as we all have a lot of passion about modding.

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gingersnapples wrote: you sir are a clever troll, or wear lead-lined hats on a daily basis. can't decide which.

oh well. time ever flows onward, and this, too, shall pass.

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ZeroKing wrote: Yeah! Community effort, guys! We get stuff for free, we'll give no support for the effort here, and we demand retribution for what the site owner believes in because he has to pay for the servers..... oh wait.

I forgot about the $500,000 annual server cost that most of us contribute next to nothing for. Yeah, reality sucks, eh?

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Reaper0021 wrote: Yes your opinions are indeed welcome. This person isn't stating an "Opinion" this person has taken facts, mixed them up into his/her own little theory, and is attacking Dark0ne. Best if you don't get involved in it as you too seem to not know whats going on either. ****I'm giving you Kudos Zero cause I haven't seen you in so long.

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Psijonica wrote: No reaper he has not been honest at all. When explain your self and leave out certain elements then that is being dishonest.

Let's face it, the reason he is saying is is neutral is because he is afraid to actually state his position. Wishy washy... and because I have an opposite opinion of how he has handled this now everybody trolls me. LoL Like I care. I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.

I believer he has lied, I believe he is not being honest and I don't trust his so called good intentions.

I can not believe for the life of me what is happening and you know what, if this goes through then this whole generation deserves SOPA and all the other corporations to come in take over the internet.

Of course I say that with tongue in cheek but I have been fighting the machine my whole life and I am getting tired... this really makes me not want to care any more and just let the children work it out themselves.

Pay-for-mods is the absolute worst thing that can happen and it is pretty much a done deal.

If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?

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ZeroKing wrote: PhD in biomedical engineering, have a wife and 6 children. Disabled from the waist down, and still work across 17 countries annually.

Doesn't pay Robin's server bills with my personal morals and my credentials, does it?

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Reaper0021 wrote: "Pay for mods" is a bad idea. I'm 44, own 4 houses (live in one rent the others 3 small houses to help my disability) and have 1 child...no wife. And? The make-up of my family or my residence doesn't validate my words any more than it does yours. He isn't betraying us. It was always there to see...I know I read it. I'm sorry this has all happened to turn this community on it's damned head. I've seen you posting in forums before and you are one smart guy. You really are. I've enjoyed your input in the past and it's hard for me to see you being this willfully stubborn.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: Ha, thank you... I think :/ I have never considered myself a troll (only learnt what it was a couple of year ago...) being a bit of old fashioned.

I just think it can be unwise to just use the arguement that "it's just the way it is". But I also think there can be constructive ways to talk about this. As in trying to organise a way of reducing this "slippery slope" that has been mentioned a number of times. And I wanted to suggest that getting hissy with each other is not going to help... perhaps that what was predicted to happen??

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benjaminpen wrote: Are you drunk? No, seriously... Are you? You seem a little incoherent to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I see no conflict between the following two statements:
"I WILL NOT fight someone's right to charge for mods on ANOTHER site. It is NOT okay to charge for mods on THIS site."
"I WILL fight anyone who says I don't have the right to NOT CHARGE for mods on MY site."

And no, I don't think that mod authors being able to donate some of the money being made to the Nexus is a conflict either.

edit: He didn't get the money from the modders' cut, he got it from Valve's cut.

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Reaper0021 wrote: Your right Sunshine maybe that's what I needed to calm down was an impartial 3rd to say something. Yeah I'm going to let this rest for now. Try again tomorrow I think. Peace to you all and Kudos to Sunshinenbrick.

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I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.

Yet here you are, complaining about seeing advertisements on your FREE account.
If you actually HAD all of that stuff, and were mature, you wouldn't need to list ANY of that, as it has NOTHING to do with your conspiracy theory.

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If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?

Hey, let's see you contribute to the $500,000 annual upkeep for the nexus THAT YOU USE FOR FREE.
You're using a website for FREE and demanding that someone else PAY for something that has already been explained, that all of us adults were able to comprehend quite clearly on our first read-through of Robin's article.
At this point, I can only chalk up your incomprehension of Robin's explanation as, you're either Drunk, or you're now too emotionally invested in this to save face and back out out gracefully by apologizing.

At this point, you're in a hole so deep, and refuse to see it, that if someone threw you a ladder, you'd start digging with it.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: Thanks :D Yeah I really hope that dialogues between parties can be kept open so that they can mutually benefit each other. I know that sounds a bit soppy but I suppose (more movie taglines coming up) we do need to have some hope here... not easy I know but its that or dispair!

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Psijonica wrote: Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?

i am not being stubborn, I am standing up for what I believe in. There is a difference. Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods. Either way it doesn't hurt him. Right now we are downloading every mod we can because I know that all the mods for Oblivion will soon be pay- for -mod, all the Morrowind mods will be Pay-for-mod...


THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense. Now all these modders are going to cry about SOPA??? hahahaha You deserve SOPA now!

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monkeyweather wrote: Thanks for keeping this whole thing civil to the best of your abilities, and for keeping everyone in the loop as much as you can.

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SchwererGustav wrote: well i helped people to get their modded skyrim to run for 2 month in the forum after that i thought i payed back what i downloaded here.

and this is the only website i had my addblocker off, too(you know how every other site makes money).

I'm not rich and Psijonica isn't eather i guess so we take that little fun we have left in our lives,
freedom, creativity and helping other people thats what i thought was this side about, but now they sell out and take that last piece of choice that makes us burst out in anger.. can't you people understand this?

This deal will mark the beginning of the end off modding, the last bastion of freedom that was left...

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Pestilenz wrote: Yeah the community paid for the servers, by either choosing to get premium either because they had money to spare, wanted to help or wanted the extra features or by "gob beware" using the site and downloading mods, I feel so abused shame one you Dark0ne.

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sunshinenbrick wrote: I totally understand what you mean by paying for things through other means than money (creativity, support, non-financial contribution) however I do hope that sometimes it is best to take down things you don't agree with from within. This is to say that although I cannot speak for the site owner nor do I know, or ever talked to him, but he has stated his position and we should try give him some benefit of the doubt because there are things that can be safeguarded against.

Suppose time will tell but it is somewhat comforting to know that the players at hand here do see the value of the community here. Admittedly it might be money orientated, however we can have the chance to show them there is more to modding than that. Then maybe they will see that suffocating all aspects of the free community will stifle creativity. I hope. And we can start by using donation systems. But that's money I hear you say??? Yes but it is important HOW you give money and WHO you give it to.

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Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?

I'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.

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Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods

HE ONLY BENEFITS.......ONLY, if someone CHECKS THE BOX that says "Send 5% of the earning for this mod to the Nexus", there are also checkboxes to send 5% to the makers of NifSKope and Blender as well.
Why aren't you complaining about those two things possibly getting 5% whenever someone checks the box for them to receive 5% of the income?

If a modder DOESN'T check that box for The NEXUS, or NifSkope etc then the Nexus and NifSkope etc get NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING, is sent to the Nexus, NOTHING....
Do you UNDERSTAND IT YET?

The Nexus isn't getting a cut of any mods being sold on SteamWorks UNLESS THE MOD AUTHOR CHECKS THE BOX to let the Nexus have 5% of the sales as a "Thank You"

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THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense.

It's still "Free and Fun" (especially for YOU Ms. "Free Nexus Account" ), however, you're directing your anger at the wrong person

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Tanniss wrote: actually he is getting money from the community unless he is independantly wealthy or paying his creditors with air he gets his money from ad's that we help support by not having ad block on and by the memberships that people pay for as well as donations from the community

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Tanniss wrote: which can and will be used later on down the road to take away any credibility on darkones part if he decides to stop fence sitting and pick the side of being afraid free modding is going to disappear by saying hey why you bitching now when you had no problem taking donations from our (valves ) cut instead of the modders giving a cut to nexus for this site being such a great place to find tools and free mods

I am surprised that no one sees this because its buying him even if he or us dont think so because at the end of the day if you take money from those who are trying to take and run a monopoly no matter the small % given you are still silently supporting the endeavor they are trying to force down everyone elses throat

and mind you im not being a troll nor am i stupid and if some feel the need to toss insults towards me so be it bottom line is when you take money for something that you think is more than likely going to be inherently wrong that makes your arguments a little less weighty

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Psijonica wrote: HadToRegister

Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?

You keep on trying to goat me with your pathetic attempts in arguing with me but I have been ignoring you. You are a troll and your continued attempts into drawing me into a flame war will fail.

You failed :)

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Reaper0021 wrote: See you made a good point and did it in such a way that doesn't speak of "Conspiracy Theories" running rampant. No your not stupid at all and you do make good points. The 'other' person on this thread is on an obvious witch hunt. Big difference. I shouldn't have to point that out to you.

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Psijonica wrote: Thanks monkeyweather, it has not been easy to keep things civil especially when the owner of the site comes and trolls my post effectively giving permission for everybody else to do the same. Shame on him for that.

I read all his posts and his reddits and although he tries to pretend to pin Gabe down on the DRM issue he himself doesn't even make public his own position on Pay-for-Mods.

This is why I don't trust him. I deal with politicians for a living, I am well tuned to the BS station.

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Reaper0021 wrote: NOBODY cares you are a Lesbian with a chip on her shoulder. Nobody cares about your sexual orientation. Period. None of us. Nobody has said anything except, after you felt the need to back-up your arguments with telling us how you own a home and your kids are responsible and your married and whatnot, all anybody has said was "Good for you and hope your happy. And my religious beliefs fly contrary to your chosen lifestyle...but do you hear me saying anything? No. Good. Nobody is going to be baited into a "Gay and Lesbian" tirade debate with you so you have yet even MORE to gripe about along with what you're already doing.

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phantompally76 wrote: you're, not your.

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Reaper0021 wrote: you're, not your.


It's late and i don't care. The point is made but ty anyway.

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I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.

Quite the opposite, actually.

And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.

You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.

And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.
- From phantompally76

Oh, God. Please, let's not have this become #skyrimgate2015...

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