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Why we can't use Patreon, and talking about donations and doing more to support mod authors


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  On 9/15/2015 at 5:21 PM, nonoodles said:

 

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I think the point is, rather, that the matter is completely out of our hands. Whether or not paid modding is ever (re)introduced is not something that can be decided by you, me, Nexus or the community as a whole.

 

Bethesda is going to do whatever they want with their property. The ongoing discourse is fine but also rather pointless. If anyone has an issue with paid modding, they really ought to be taking it up with Bethesda. Modders and mod users alike can only argue in circles here, which ends with all of us angry and upset once again.

 

More to the subject at hand, I think Nexus has done a lot where donations are concerned. It's also obvious that pushing the studio any more on the subject of Patreon etc. could jeopardise an already rather precarious situation. Making the donation button more 'spammy' might achieve the opposite of the intended effect. So, taking an evening off is the only viable suggestion that pops into mind right now.

 

 

I agree, however as consumers (and creators in many cases) I would say that we do have the ability to leaverage. Tis sad but true that if Bethesda choose to chase this dragon I may not be able to follow...

 

It has been posted that Beth is releasing through other outlets, I hope this remains the case and that they carry the torch of open-world free roaming and creation into their new ventures.

 

But like another poster posted here... there are a lot of other games and game developers out there.

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DorkDiva. You're not helping when you characterize it as "crying".

Also, who are you to tell modders why they should mod.
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  On 9/15/2015 at 10:23 AM, Ghatto said:

 

We must have different google results (they do that to make more ad money).

You know, I tried out Bing and it delivers number one result that gamebanana website on "free counterstrike go skins" query as well.

 

But it's also possible that for competiive multiplayers games only "blessed" skins are allowed to avoid cheating (I imagine mods making walls translucent), and that's another way to curb fully free game modificiations.

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If a mod author wants to charge for a mod that they've made and there is a platform available for them to do it legally, then I won't hold that against them.

 

However, I will never pay for a mod. I just won't. Nor will I ever charge for a mod that I make. So long as those of us who believe in free modding are able to get together and do our own thing, I'm happy.

 

I believe in choice. So I'm only going to get up in arms if it gets to the point where the only mods you can use are the paid ones and the only place to get them is through the official platform. But, by the time that happens, I'll probably already be too jaded and cynical that I'll already have quit gaming.

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Now this is well said, and spot on. It's all about the choice. I'm glad at least someone gets it. :)
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  On 9/15/2015 at 9:47 PM, Arthmoor said:

 

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Now this is well said, and spot on. It's all about the choice. I'm glad at least someone gets it. :smile:

 

 

Well Sprked.com is still up and running, so it looks like that choice is now ours to take??

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"Bethesda is going to do whatever they want with their property. The ongoing discourse is fine but also rather pointless."

Not pointless at all, change starts with discussions. People did take it up with Bethesda, it's why Bethesda stopped and put out a statement admitting that. At that time Skyrim took a big hit even in game rating, so yes there are stuff that can be done, and no Bethesda can't really do anything they want if the entire community is against them almost no company can survive outright ignoring all it's customers to suggest that is silly especially given they admitted stopping due to the community outrage and honestly it wasn't even near the whole community.

I have spent nearly 200 hours on the CK and am working on a mod I hope to release soon and I can say that for me modding is more or less like playing the game, so for me demanding money is just silly, a donation I feel is very different. I can put a thousand hours into a mod and the community buys me just a cheeseburger from a dollar menu at Mcdonalds and I'd eat that burger with a huge smile lol. Edited by adammcbane
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What you give as an example was more like "change _rolls back_ with discussions", from what I recall...

 

I'm having rather singular memories of that Incident April 23-27, because it was on a dark and stormy night of April 22 when I came up with a particularly good idea for my mod on how to move it forward. Had it occured to me a couple of days earlier, I'd start a mod recruitment thread and inevitably get caught in debates. On the other hand, if the paid mod announcement came earlier by a day or two, I'd likely give up this hobby project altogether. I'm feeling lucky... However, that recruitment thread which I eventually posted, is pretty much a fake - yet another post to promote early-access stage of my project... Really, I'd refrain from accepting other people contributions, at least until Fallout 4; deliberately leaving out 'deluxe' features, such as proper voice-acting, visual cutscenes, fancy spell effects, postponing them for better times.

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@macintroll Modding isn't a job. Maybe go make YouTube videos if you want to make money? Or work for Bethesda or some other dev if you think your mods are worth money? That's what jobs are for.
Charging for mods is a great way to destroy PC gaming since building a PC that can run console games costs double the price or more of a console, and people build these expensive PC's to mod. PC gaming is just getting popular and now you want to destroy it out of greed.
I mod many games with many many mods, and I'd have to pay thousands if those mods cost money. Do you understand? Most people don't have the money to buy all these mods. Payed mods would completely screw over everyone and send most people back to consoles. That means there would be way less games on PC if there's no good money to be had.

You're thinking selfishly about how YOU can make money from your couple of mods without a care of anyone else. That's greedy and selfish. I've donated occasionally and am even considering a $15 monthly donation sub for SWGEmu or Warhammer Online private servers, but forcing people to pay for hundreds for mods forever is just rotten and hateful. Edited by Totalstupidity
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