Im kinda pissed off with a lot of tutorial videos people post

[mundordin]

when ever i look up tutorials for what i want to do and i find ones that say "if your just starting out... do this and that" which is good and all but no one seems to understand the true meaning of just starting out brand new! (i find it ironic)

 

they will tell you to goto a certain folder and there will be files there, but for you the file(s) isn't/ain't there at all. and half the time the reason is that they had set it up so long ago that they forgot what its actually like to start off "COMPLETELY" fresh.

 

 

they always say "download this.. and install that, but I've already installed it, so I'm not going too. instead i'll just tell you about it..". would you still watch it even though he doesn't remember some-most of it

this example happens in way too many tutorials.

 

its not helpful at all, i mean if some one said to you "but i can describe what i did few months ago. my memory is kinda hazy though".

 

some topics have lots of tutorials and round 20% of them are actually useful for brand new people. of course if your not then most of them will be helpful.

 

want to create a 'REAL' tutorial for brand new people but don't know how to start off completely new without losing all your stuff?

 

answer - your computer can have multiple accounts no? why not create a new one. there is an option that allows the account you'll create to be completely new (no extra s***).

quick thought: that option is probably only on old computers. but still same concept.

 

 

the main thing I'm saying is: never say that your tutorial is for people that are new to it when you had previously setup everything in the past. if your going to make a tutorial then don't use your existing stuff, why not actually start it off fresh instead so you can get onto a more understand view point of the people that are watching your videos. you'd be supersized at how much stuff you missed out on in your tutorials.

 

i really do find it frustrating when people do this. do they even look up how to make a good tutorial that can be useful for people like me that are brand new

 

I'd just like for someone that makes tutorials to start off in the same boat as a freshie, not as an experienced person in what ever the tutorial your making it for.

this is kinda mostly me hating on these people but they need to stop lying in their videos saying that its for "new people that are starting off".

Edited December 12, 2015 by mundordin

[daventry]

This, this is why i find the CK and Tutorials so Frustrating, Nobody tells you Word for Word Picture by Picture in DETAIL on How to do what, they just expect you to know things.

 

I am Mentally Challenged and if your going to tell me How to make a Mod, SPELL IT OUT for me.

 

Half you Modders have seen my Requests, you honestly think im that Lazy just so you guys can make it for me.

 

Im Smart, but i have this Wall in my head that blocks my Intellect to Mod.

 

I can come up with Wonderful Ideas for a Mod, but i wouldent have a Clue How to start.

 

Sure, Download the CK and there you go... With what, is there more to it then Just the CK.

Edited December 12, 2015 by daventry

[bben46]

Unlike what you expect, tutorials are not made by professional tutorial makers, but by players trying to help other players. The tutorial creator may have made a tutorial for an old game several years ago. And not revised it for new information because they no longer play that game at all. Then, the tutorial author may have been using a different version of Windows or a different version of the game than you. I made some tutorials for Oblivion some years ago. I created the tutorials based on the Windows I had at the time ( WinXP) and the game version I had - Oblivion original DVD version with no DLC. Some of the information is just going to be very different if you have say Win8 and the Steam version. And I have no clue what those differences are going to be as I don't use those versions even today. And not every computer is set up just like yours. People that have been using Windows for a long time tend to change things around to suit themselves. There is no way a tutorial can cover all possible variations in how you set up your computer.

 

This can be especially problematic with a new game such as FO4 - the game itself is changing almost daily. What worked last week doesn't work this week. Not because the tutorial was wrong, but because Beth changed something in the game that made the tutorial no longer work. It may take the tutorial creator some time to make changes. And by the time they do, something else may have changed.

 

Then, we do get people who have never made a tutorial before creating their first one - the video tutorials can be especially bad with the author suddenly realizing they left out a major point, and instead of redoing or editing the video try to backtrack leading to confusion. And many of the new creators try to give too much information at once instead of breaking it down into several smaller easy to digest tutorials.

 

There are some assumptions that must be made by a game tutorial. One is that you already know something about your own computer and about Windows file structure - the purpose of the tutorial is NOT to teach you how to do things with windows. If you need that you first should go to a site that does tutorials on windows. It is not the purpose of a game tutorial to teach what a file is, what a folder is what a file path is, how to create a folder, how to edit a text file ( ini are text files). Or things that may be dependent on what browser you use such as how to download a file from the internet and how to change where it is downloaded to.

 

The best video tutorials are made by Gopher, He has an entire YouTube channel with his tutorials for various games. But again, you may need a Windows tutorial before starting on game tutorials.

[mundordin]

Unlike what you expect, tutorials are not made by professional tutorial makers, but by players trying to help other players. The tutorial creator may have made a tutorial for an old game several years ago. And not revised it for new information because they no longer play that game at all. Then, the tutorial author may have been using a different version of Windows or a different version of the game than you. I made some tutorials for Oblivion some years ago. I created the tutorials based on the Windows I had at the time ( WinXP) and the game version I had - Oblivion original DVD version with no DLC. Some of the information is just going to be very different if you have say Win8 and the Steam version. And I have no clue what those differences are going to be as I don't use those versions even today. And not every computer is set up just like yours. People that have been using Windows for a long time tend to change things around to suit themselves. There is no way a tutorial can cover all possible variations in how you set up your computer.

 

This can be especially problematic with a new game such as FO4 - the game itself is changing almost daily. What worked last week doesn't work this week. Not because the tutorial was wrong, but because Beth changed something in the game that made the tutorial no longer work. It may take the tutorial creator some time to make changes. And by the time they do, something else may have changed.

 

Then, we do get people who have never made a tutorial before creating their first one - the video tutorials can be especially bad with the author suddenly realizing they left out a major point, and instead of redoing or editing the video try to backtrack leading to confusion. And many of the new creators try to give too much information at once instead of breaking it down into several smaller easy to digest tutorials.

 

There are some assumptions that must be made by a game tutorial. One is that you already know something about your own computer and about Windows file structure - the purpose of the tutorial is NOT to teach you how to do things with windows. If you need that you first should go to a site that does tutorials on windows. It is not the purpose of a game tutorial to teach what a file is, what a folder is what a file path is, how to create a folder, how to edit a text file ( ini are text files). Or things that may be dependent on what browser you use such as how to download a file from the internet and how to change where it is downloaded to.

 

The best video tutorials are made by Gopher, He has an entire YouTube channel with his tutorials for various games. But again, you may need a Windows tutorial before starting on game tutorials.

 

 

i agree with what your say in the first part but i never said anything about the type of computer itself. but i do understand

 

also

 

if you create a tutorial based only on the way you see it! then is it really a tutorial for other people?

 

if someone wishes to create a tutorial, then why not seek others knowledge to grasp what the tutorial should really be.

 

one mind is only so limited.

 

they don't really realize this, but they say and think that they are doing it for other people, to help them.

Edited December 12, 2015 by mundordin

[Boombro]

 

"download this.. and install that, but I've already installed it, so I'm not going too. instead i'll just tell you about it..".

 

the main thing I'm saying is: never say that your tutorial is for people that are new to it when you had previously setup everything in the past. if your going to make a tutorial then don't use your existing stuff, why not actually start it off fresh instead so you can get onto a more understand view point of the people that are watching your videos. you'd be supersized at how much stuff you missed out on in your tutorials.

They didn't forget, they prepared the stuff/have them. Wanna would you want to watch a download and a normal install?

 

And why you need someone to tell you how to install a software? You click and a wizard will come up 95/% of the time, expect if it was portable/ standalone so it works right off the box. The ck differs by downloading it like a steam game.

 

Sorry, I'm getting the wrong idea or something?

 

 

if you create a tutorial based only on the way you see it! then is it really a tutorial for other people?

Better than no tutorial whatsoever. At least you get a clue about what the hell you want to do and where to find it.

Edited December 12, 2015 by Boombro

[Cliffracerz]

As a middle school teacher I've learned that it is best to assume that those who you are instruction have no prior knowledge of the subject. That said the people doing these tutorials are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. So constructive criticism is good but not bitching.

[Boombro]

As a middle school teacher I've learned that it is best to assume that those who you are instruction have no prior knowledge of the subject. That said the people doing these tutorials are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. So constructive criticism is good but not bitching.

^

 

This is very useful. Where have you been when I was in middle school?

[ironbender800]

Gamer Poets and Dirty Weasel both make excellent tutorial videos. They have different styles but both provide corrext accurate information and IF information is out of date they usually add a note into the video letting you know the information may be out of date.

 

Gamer Poets provides extremely clear accurate instructions from installing the most basic tools to installing advanced mods like ENB and dynDOLOD.

 

Dirty Weasel also has great videos on installing on the needed tools for modding. For both NMM and Mod Organizer.

 

I have definitely seen some awful tutorials on youtube. The video makers above are about as good as you will find. Dirty Weasel has several of his videos featured on nexus.

Edited December 12, 2015 by ironbender800

[ironbender800]

 

As a middle school teacher I've learned that it is best to assume that those who you are instruction have no prior knowledge of the subject. That said the people doing these tutorials are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. So constructive criticism is good but not bitching.

^

 

This is very useful. Where have you been when I was in middle school?

 

 

This too. These guys do this out of passion and enjoyment to help others. They arent required or paid to do it. And without them i would probably still be doing A LOT of stuff wrong.

 

Im not a teacher but its definitely smart when teaching/training someone to do anything to just assume they know nothing.

Edited December 12, 2015 by ironbender800

[Lisnpuppy]

I can understand what you are saying. When I first came to this site it was because after playing Oblivion on XboX I heard about MODS. I pestered the husband until he got me a computer to play games on and then I came here. I wanted this first mod...Cats and Rats. It added Cats (and some non-evil rats) to the world.

 

Kept saying, "Drop it into your Data folder..."

 

I was like..what?

Where?

Who>

Huh?

 

 

Took me literally almost three weeks to figure out the what and where my data folder was. Finally after that I began hanging here and asking questions, even if I thought they would laugh at me. Mostly they did not. And here it is from Feb 2008 til now and I actually can mod my game all the way to breaking it! WOOOO!!

 

Seriously, I tutor people of all ages. One of the hardest things to do is to TEACH anyone, anything. Should maybe they announce they are going to assume that you have a basic understanding of this or that? Maybe. But again these folks are just trying to help. Perhaps you or you and some friends could make some videos and tell folks, "Look-we are going to pretend everyone is five. Now that big, blinky box in front of you? That is a computer! Say it with me, Com-pu-ter!! Good job!!!'

 

Teaching is INCREDIBLY difficult. You think it isn't but it really is. The best thing you can do if you can't make a video, article, tutorial yourself is to give good constructive criticism. This is not "pissed off" criticism. Tell what you found good about the video. What needs improved or a way to make a different more, real "beginner" friendly and a way to do these things. Simply telling someone you are pissed and what is wrong really isn't *cough* teaching them much.

 

So think about that a bit, and what you can do to help those like you...or those you think need a step or two before these tutorials and how YOU can help them get the information they need, in a way they can understand it.

 

Good luck.