NEXUS OR SEXUS? THIS IS THE PROBLEM

[Thandal]

Once again, it doesn't need to be a separate site, merely a extension of this one just like any of the other game sections, blowing it out of proportion is just getting silly.

 

 

Yes, it is getting blown out of proportion. This "extension" of which you speak already exists. It's the additional content you see when you deliberately check the "Show Adult Content" option in your preferences. :laugh:

 

Don't want to see that stuff? Don't check it. Want to see it sometimes? Check it, then un-check it when you're done. Not much to it. :cool:

[Farvat]

I have expressed here my opinion, I thank the admins and the people who responded and debated on the issue even those who disagree with me. Many have warned me not to try to criticize Nexus, "because you will be blacklisted, or you'll end up banned." I hope it is not so, because it would not be reasonable, because every problem and criticism also offers always a chance to improve. I love nexus and I have invested much time and energy here and I will continue to do so, although not everything that happens here i like it sometimes. The proposal to create a special space for Hot content seems the most reasonable to me, and that can save both the site's image a bit ruined actually, both the presence of erotic materials. I personally I am almost never about censorship, but even the "tag" is the final solution to the problem. The future restructuring of the site could also provide an opportunity for this possible reform. This is a complex problem, on this I believe that at least everyone can agree.

[Lisnpuppy]

 

Once again, it doesn't need to be a separate site, merely a extension of this one just like any of the other game sections, blowing it out of proportion is just getting silly.

 

 

Yes, it is getting blown out of proportion. This "extension" of which you speak already exists. It's the additional content you see when you deliberately check the "Show Adult Content" option in your preferences. :laugh:

 

Don't want to see that stuff? Don't check it. Want to see it sometimes? Check it, then un-check it when you're done. Not much to it. :cool:

 

 

I merely mentioned the first idea thrown out there was probably a no-go when I went on discussing how the current tag and filter system could be better implemented or maked better known. You would not believe how many people don't even know about it. Though some initial ideas were a bit un-doable I don't think it was still going that way. Obviously there is always room for improvement. In my opinion requiring at least one tag outside of the category the mod uploads in might actually be helpful. Perhaps if someone uploads an armour then they are then given a choice of filters that would apply tot he armour category of which they should pick one. That at least would begin the process of better tagging to allow better filtering and better finding of mods.

 

I started out this conversation with the same don't want to see it don't look at it conversation, but have tried to move past it to see if some improvements could not be made to the the already, in my opinion, robust filtering system. Or see if there are not some ways the filtering could be improved. Though I do not agree with the OP's assessment of things or that bringing up issues with a particular mod in the open forum is a good idea, I can certainly see where the frustrations may lie here and I don't personally even think there is an issue with how the system at present works. As someone who has worked with the system intimately and holds it as something that works, that I am finding trying to discuss any improvements in this matter (and overall I think people have been level-headed and polite) not unlike Sisyphus rolling his rock up the hill is telling.

[MissMorose]

Well, I can normally ignore most skimpy/nude content just with the tags [i've got adult content turned off and blocking the sexy/skimpy, nudity, not safe for work and bodyslide preset tags]. The occasional CBBE Innies mod still slips through, where the modder didn't mark it accordingly, but you just report and ignore it.

 

That said, I would love to see a new catagory for Adult Nudity in addition to the Adult Content section. I know I'm currently blocking a ton of good quest mods that have been marked as adult only due to swearing even though they don't contain nudity. Being able to still browse those mods without seeing boobs everywhere would be fantastic.

 

Also, less important but still fantastic, a tagging system for the imageshare. While they're still technically allowed, there are so many closeups of cleavage/butts that I could do without.

[JimboUK]

 

So let me get this straight, a system already exists to block content you don't want to see, a system that works well if you use it. I personally have used such system to mark one of my mods as adult so that those who are offended by four bad words and a body with a cookie on it (that is only visible if you delete a dress in Nifskope or Blender) do not have to see it.

And that's not good enough? It should be further banished to a separate site with tentacle mods and Shojo waifus? Uh no.

 

The site is here to post mods and not be our parents. One has to opt in to see adult content in the first place. I totally agree with educating users more on the tag system but separating content into different sites is unnecessary.

Once again, it doesn't need to be a separate site, merely a extension of this one just like any of the other game sections, blowing it out of proportion is just getting silly.

 

The same can be said for completely ignoring the facts laid out about said tagging system and its flaws. Currently their exists only an adult tag. Nude/borderline pornographic falls into this as well as violent quest mods or ones with simply foul language. A lot of people also do not tag their files correctly.

 

At the moment we cannot even hit the 'next step' button on the description page when uploading a mod if certain criteria are not checked or filled in, mod category for example. A simple insert into that page with the options for "Adult nudity" "Adult Content" or "Non-Adult" and then the system tags it appropriately, is not that bloody much to ask.

 

Can we argue that point instead of some made up thing about a whole nother site?

 

 

I can't disagree with this, it would only add a few seconds to the upload process.

 

 

 

 

@Darren-

 

No, we can't because you entertain the hell out of me and I refuse to argue with you :tongue:

I'm also on mobile since I haven't officially woken up yet so long raging diatribes and finger pointing has to wait a few hours.

Lol

I'm heading to bed anyway, exhausting day of "WTF WAS BETHESDA THINKING" you know the usual when trying to mod their games... moving Masser and Secundi in fallout is easier.. why you ask? Cause they left their paramaters in the engine... FML

 

 

Maybe you could get the moon to move across the sky in the right direction? Fallout 4's goes the wrong way across the sky.

[Lisnpuppy]

Well, I can normally ignore most skimpy/nude content just with the tags [i've got adult content turned off and blocking the sexy/skimpy, nudity, not safe for work and bodyslide preset tags]. The occasional CBBE Innies mod still slips through, where the modder didn't mark it accordingly, but you just report and ignore it.

 

That said, I would love to see a new catagory for Adult Nudity in addition to the Adult Content section. I know I'm currently blocking a ton of good quest mods that have been marked as adult only due to swearing even though they don't contain nudity. Being able to still browse those mods without seeing boobs everywhere would be fantastic.

 

Also, less important but still fantastic, a tagging system for the imageshare. While they're still technically allowed, there are so many closeups of cleavage/butts that I could do without.

The general imageshare DOES still have a adult tag for skimpy things that is supposed to be used for that or extreme violence, language, etc. It isn't for nudity but most likely those skimpy things that are NSFW usually. It is a harder line to judge just as I was saying, as acceptable is so different from place to place. If you think it falls in this (and the ToS I believe does discuss it) then report it. Perhaps an update of that needs to happen?

 

I think maybe a adult tag for nudity, sexual content and violence/language would be a good idea. This would perhaps allow folks to see mature themed items but not say, sexual content or nudity.

[llamaRCA]

 

Well, Darren you are probably right about the money and I don't know how much it would take to basically make a duplicate of each site, but I would think it would be a bit more than you are thinking. Regardless lets just assume that is a no go for the foreseeable future as even if it is do-able it would take some time.

 

Now, no tags are not going to fix everything. People don't use them, they block people from using them (people like to troll the file tags too, go figure) and some people maybe have a language barrier. Personally I don't think you should be able to upload a file without at least marking it adult or non-adult and then at least one file filter category. I have stated something like this before and about got my head shot off for "making mod authors do things they shouldn't have to do" or some such. I see proper tagging as helping mod authors get their content found all the more easy not just weeding content out. I also don't think a button click or two is asking a great deal.

 

Many folks don't know we have a tag/filter system. They don't know there is an advanced search feature. I am not sure how to make these things more known. We already throw a ton of things at them. Ads for non-supporters/premiums, donation reminders, endorsement reminders, you need to download this file before you download mine, etc etc and etc.

 

So what can we do, reasonably, that isn't creating duplicate sites, to make the file tag and filter system better, more widely known and used and better? Are there Terms of Service language changes that need made to make certain things more clear?

 

Now one thing that was mentioned was adult images in non-adult mod pages. This should not happen but it does. If you see this you need to report it. The author should either take the image down or decide to make the mod adult. Yes it seems a bit one or the other and it is. There is no reason I can see that a non-adult mod would need a adult image to showcase it. If it is a nice sword, I don't see why someones bare behind would showcase it more than say, a perfectly clad behind. If someone can show me a reason I will gladly help argue your point with the moderators.

 

So, I think you all can see where I am going here. Instead of getting in a pissing content and throwing insults or crying at perceived injustices, lets try to work together and see if we can make some improvements here. Maybe it won't be perfect or make everyone completely happy, but it can be an improvement and if we can show a place we can work from, show that we can listen and not just hurl insults...well lets give it a try. I am willing to put aside my feelings to the subject and work toward something middle ground here.

 

Anyone with me?

It's less than you think and more than I think most likely. It's not a site dupe as much as just a tag swap and a few fun buttons :tongue:

 

But we already have things that wont let us hit the "Next' button when filling out a mod page description for the first time, why not have one that tags as 'Adult sex sells" "Adult (IE non sex related)" and "Non-adult"

 

THAT would be super easy, then it just tags the file appropriately. I would be ok filtering adult if there was a differentiation between adult sex and adult violence/language. As of now it's basically classing all adult into one category, even if I don't want the "gay midget horse pron" it's lumped in with my "Mormon approved missionary only between whites" pron.

 

 

Right, but it's my understanding that simply using any nude body pushes a mod into adult territory. So fairly chaste mods that have NPCs that use modified bodies under their clothes are tagged as adult. it doesn't have to be midget-donkey porn. The adult content here does not fall neatly into the two piles of nasty porn v. naughty words.

[MissMorose]

The general imageshare DOES still have a adult tag for skimpy things that is supposed to be used for that or extreme violence, language, etc. It isn't for nudity but most likely those skimpy things that are NSFW usually. It is a harder line to judge just as I was saying, as acceptable is so different from place to place. If you think it falls in this (and the ToS I believe does discuss it) then report it. Perhaps an update of that needs to happen?

 

I think maybe a adult tag for nudity, sexual content and violence/language would be a good idea. This would perhaps allow folks to see mature themed items but not say, sexual content or nudity.

Yeah, I know the imageshare has an adult-only tag on it too, and a lot of people are good about marking their images appropriately, but there are a lot of images that are technically allowed [i think?], they're still just kinda smutty and I could do without em'. It's mostly just the cleavage closeup shots I'd love to block, but the characters are fully clothed so it's not breaking any rules. Same with a lot of shots showing off skimpy armors. To each his own, but I'd like some better tools for filtering it out on a personal level.

 

Perhaps the adult-only tag on the imageshare does need an update though - I know there was a big to-do about it a while ago, but I'm still not entirely clear what needs reporting and what's fine. But yes, I fully support separating the adult only tag into violence/language and nudity.

[mindboggles]

 

Well, I can normally ignore most skimpy/nude content just with the tags [i've got adult content turned off and blocking the sexy/skimpy, nudity, not safe for work and bodyslide preset tags]. The occasional CBBE Innies mod still slips through, where the modder didn't mark it accordingly, but you just report and ignore it.

 

That said, I would love to see a new catagory for Adult Nudity in addition to the Adult Content section. I know I'm currently blocking a ton of good quest mods that have been marked as adult only due to swearing even though they don't contain nudity. Being able to still browse those mods without seeing boobs everywhere would be fantastic.

 

Also, less important but still fantastic, a tagging system for the imageshare. While they're still technically allowed, there are so many closeups of cleavage/butts that I could do without.

The general imageshare DOES still have a adult tag for skimpy things that is supposed to be used for that or extreme violence, language, etc. It isn't for nudity but most likely those skimpy things that are NSFW usually. It is a harder line to judge just as I was saying, as acceptable is so different from place to place. If you think it falls in this (and the ToS I believe does discuss it) then report it. Perhaps an update of that needs to happen?

 

I think maybe a adult tag for nudity, sexual content and violence/language would be a good idea. This would perhaps allow folks to see mature themed items but not say, sexual content or nudity.

 

I'd like to see a few more tags than that. Tags of, Nudity, Sex, Foul Language, Sex / Violence, Skimpy Clothing, and finally BDSM.

[Thandal]

One person's "tasteful, completely acceptable-in-context" nudity, obscenities, gore, violence, etc., are anathema to another. Who gets to make the call? Who gets to object if the call isn't made the same way s/he would make it? Who gets to arbitrate the objection?

 

This is not the public square. There is no "right of free speech", nor any requirement to apply anything beyond the legal standard of "morality". It is a private space into which we have been invited. Dark0ne has drawn a single bright line. Members can decide for themselves whether they want to see/be exposed to content on both sides of that line, or just on the one, or simply not visit.