NEXUS OR SEXUS? THIS IS THE PROBLEM

[JimboUK]

 

The general imageshare DOES still have a adult tag for skimpy things that is supposed to be used for that or extreme violence, language, etc. It isn't for nudity but most likely those skimpy things that are NSFW usually. It is a harder line to judge just as I was saying, as acceptable is so different from place to place. If you think it falls in this (and the ToS I believe does discuss it) then report it. Perhaps an update of that needs to happen?

 

I think maybe a adult tag for nudity, sexual content and violence/language would be a good idea. This would perhaps allow folks to see mature themed items but not say, sexual content or nudity.

Yeah, I know the imageshare has an adult-only tag on it too, and a lot of people are good about marking their images appropriately, but there are a lot of images that are technically allowed [i think?], they're still just kinda smutty and I could do without em'. It's mostly just the cleavage closeup shots I'd love to block, but the characters are fully clothed so it's not breaking any rules. Same with a lot of shots showing off skimpy armors. To each his own, but I'd like some better tools for filtering it out on a personal level.

 

Perhaps the adult-only tag on the imageshare does need an update though - I know there was a big to-do about it a while ago, but I'm still not entirely clear what needs reporting and what's fine. But yes, I fully support separating the adult only tag into violence/language and nudity.

 

 

You can block the authors of that sort of content, I have a block list a mile long, it's mostly people who spam the imageshare or beg for endorsements.

 

One person's "tasteful, completely acceptable-in-context" nudity, obscenities, gore, violence, etc., are anathema to another. Who gets to make the call? Who gets to object if the call isn't made the same way s/he would make it? Who gets to arbitrate the objection?

 

This is not the public square. There is no "right of free speech", nor any requirement to apply anything beyond the legal standard of "morality". It is a private space into which we have been invited. Dark0ne has drawn a single bright line. Members can decide for themselves whether they want to see/be exposed to content on both sides of that line, or just on the one, or simply not visit.

 

Also this is a community and I think those who choose to be part of it need to be tolerant of others, I see way too much "Ban what I don't like" selfishness, the tools exist to filter stuff out and the staff are there to ensure those filters are applied, I'm not seeing a massive problem.

[Lisnpuppy]

 

 

The general imageshare DOES still have a adult tag for skimpy things that is supposed to be used for that or extreme violence, language, etc. It isn't for nudity but most likely those skimpy things that are NSFW usually. It is a harder line to judge just as I was saying, as acceptable is so different from place to place. If you think it falls in this (and the ToS I believe does discuss it) then report it. Perhaps an update of that needs to happen?

 

I think maybe a adult tag for nudity, sexual content and violence/language would be a good idea. This would perhaps allow folks to see mature themed items but not say, sexual content or nudity.

Yeah, I know the imageshare has an adult-only tag on it too, and a lot of people are good about marking their images appropriately, but there are a lot of images that are technically allowed [i think?], they're still just kinda smutty and I could do without em'. It's mostly just the cleavage closeup shots I'd love to block, but the characters are fully clothed so it's not breaking any rules. Same with a lot of shots showing off skimpy armors. To each his own, but I'd like some better tools for filtering it out on a personal level.

 

Perhaps the adult-only tag on the imageshare does need an update though - I know there was a big to-do about it a while ago, but I'm still not entirely clear what needs reporting and what's fine. But yes, I fully support separating the adult only tag into violence/language and nudity.

 

 

You can block the authors of that sort of content, I have a block list a mile long, it's mostly people who spam the imageshare or beg for endorsements.

 

One person's "tasteful, completely acceptable-in-context" nudity, obscenities, gore, violence, etc., are anathema to another. Who gets to make the call? Who gets to object if the call isn't made the same way s/he would make it? Who gets to arbitrate the objection?

 

This is not the public square. There is no "right of free speech", nor any requirement to apply anything beyond the legal standard of "morality". It is a private space into which we have been invited. Dark0ne has drawn a single bright line. Members can decide for themselves whether they want to see/be exposed to content on both sides of that line, or just on the one, or simply not visit.

 

Also this is a community and I think those who choose to be part of it need to be tolerant of others, I see way too much "Ban what I don't like" selfishness, the tools exist to filter stuff out and the staff are there to ensure those filters are applied, I'm not seeing a massive problem.

 

 

I agree with this and I stated in my initial post that I felt the filters and tags were there to get that content out of your site. However in the course of this thread I have tried to get a discussion away from both extremes (and this is something that many of you know I try to often do) and have a discussion on if we can find ideas to improve on the existing tag/file system.

 

I am disappointed to find that even in this that the same narrative is pushed forward. That the extremes of those who want to take away content of a nature with which they do not approve is met with an equally stubborn extreme of saying all is well and that nothing needs to be looked at or changed AT ALL.

 

I do not like censorship. I have made that clear at my time here at the Nexus over and over. I feel the tag and filter system here is robust and is very usefully to block content. I do not agree with the assuption that content of adult nature is somehow going to soil or taint the mod authors that choose to host mods here.

 

I DO think a reasonable discussion on what can be made better in the tag and filters in order to address adult content in perhaps a better way is a valid concern. I think that the tag/filter system is something that needs to be promoted and told as many people do not even realize it exist here. There are many ways it can be made better for both mod author and mod user.

 

Simply shoving this issue under a rock and choosing to hold the party line here is doing a disservice to what I know this site can be. The filtering system needs work in many ways and that includes perhaps a look at the filtering of adult/NSFW type content. The filter system needs to be promoted more so that it is used by both mod authors and mod users.

 

I fail to see why we can not all come together (and by we I mean all sides of this, authors, mod downloaders, and staff) and try to make this better, even if we can not get the extremes to agree, and create ideas for improvements that everyone can use and appreciate.

[Yngol1Storm1Blade]

Honestly the problem with that mango follower is just that the way the modder has gone about it...

Sexually abused character with screenshots of her doing sexualised poses in slutty outfits. That's just a bad mix and it doesn't work, makes him look like he's just objectifying her and promoting sexual abuse.

There's countless sexualised doll followers on here so just the sexualised doll part doesn't make this one stand out, it's the fact she's supposed to have been abused AND he's sexualising her. It's disgusting.

With the removal of that little "backstory", the mod wouldn't be so disgusting. It would just be another boring doll, which are easy to ignore.

I find it quite disturbing to see it having over 600 endorsements and over 25,000 unique downloads in such a short time.... with that kind of backstory..

[MissMorose]

You can block the authors of that sort of content, I have a block list a mile long, it's mostly people who spam the imageshare or beg for endorsements.

 

Oh, I do block some posters - I try to keep it limited to only the ones that give me the serious creeps though, because I'm not sure if blocking users on the forum/imageshare also prevents them from using my mods? I don't want to ban them from my mods because technically they didn't do anything wrong, I just don't want to see the stuff they're posting.

 

Also this is a community and I think those who choose to be part of it need to be tolerant of others, I see way too much "Ban what I don't like" selfishness, the tools exist to filter stuff out and the staff are there to ensure those filters are applied, I'm not seeing a massive problem.

I don't think anyone here is crying 'ban everything I don't agree with!". Personally, I think most folk just want a better way to individualize what they see here. I know I don't mind if there's a ton of porn mods on the site, I just want to be able to properly filter them out for myself, while still being able to see the mods I am interested in. A better tagging system and such.

[JimboUK]

 

 

 

The general imageshare DOES still have a adult tag for skimpy things that is supposed to be used for that or extreme violence, language, etc. It isn't for nudity but most likely those skimpy things that are NSFW usually. It is a harder line to judge just as I was saying, as acceptable is so different from place to place. If you think it falls in this (and the ToS I believe does discuss it) then report it. Perhaps an update of that needs to happen?

 

I think maybe a adult tag for nudity, sexual content and violence/language would be a good idea. This would perhaps allow folks to see mature themed items but not say, sexual content or nudity.

Yeah, I know the imageshare has an adult-only tag on it too, and a lot of people are good about marking their images appropriately, but there are a lot of images that are technically allowed [i think?], they're still just kinda smutty and I could do without em'. It's mostly just the cleavage closeup shots I'd love to block, but the characters are fully clothed so it's not breaking any rules. Same with a lot of shots showing off skimpy armors. To each his own, but I'd like some better tools for filtering it out on a personal level.

 

Perhaps the adult-only tag on the imageshare does need an update though - I know there was a big to-do about it a while ago, but I'm still not entirely clear what needs reporting and what's fine. But yes, I fully support separating the adult only tag into violence/language and nudity.

 

 

You can block the authors of that sort of content, I have a block list a mile long, it's mostly people who spam the imageshare or beg for endorsements.

 

One person's "tasteful, completely acceptable-in-context" nudity, obscenities, gore, violence, etc., are anathema to another. Who gets to make the call? Who gets to object if the call isn't made the same way s/he would make it? Who gets to arbitrate the objection?

 

This is not the public square. There is no "right of free speech", nor any requirement to apply anything beyond the legal standard of "morality". It is a private space into which we have been invited. Dark0ne has drawn a single bright line. Members can decide for themselves whether they want to see/be exposed to content on both sides of that line, or just on the one, or simply not visit.

 

Also this is a community and I think those who choose to be part of it need to be tolerant of others, I see way too much "Ban what I don't like" selfishness, the tools exist to filter stuff out and the staff are there to ensure those filters are applied, I'm not seeing a massive problem.

 

 

I agree with this and I stated in my initial post that I felt the filters and tags were there to get that content out of your site. However in the course of this thread I have tried to get a discussion away from both extremes (and this is something that many of you know I try to often do) and have a discussion on if we can find ideas to improve on the existing tag/file system.

 

I am disappointed to find that even in this that the same narrative is pushed forward. That the extremes of those who want to take away content of a nature with which they do not approve is met with an equally stubborn extreme of saying all is well and that nothing needs to be looked at or changed AT ALL.

 

I do not like censorship. I have made that clear at my time here at the Nexus over and over. I feel the tag and filter system here is robust and is very usefully to block content. I do not agree with the assuption that content of adult nature is somehow going to soil or taint the mod authors that choose to host mods here.

 

I DO think a reasonable discussion on what can be made better in the tag and filters in order to address adult content in perhaps a better way is a valid concern. I think that the tag/filter system is something that needs to be promoted and told as many people do not even realize it exist here. There are many ways it can be made better for both mod author and mod user.

 

Simply shoving this issue under a rock and choosing to hold the party line here is doing a disservice to what I know this site can be. The filtering system needs work in many ways and that includes perhaps a look at the filtering of adult/NSFW type content. The filter system needs to be promoted more so that it is used by both mod authors and mod users.

 

I fail to see why we can not all come together (and by we I mean all sides of this, authors, mod downloaders, and staff) and try to make this better, even if we can not get the extremes to agree, and create ideas for improvements that everyone can use and appreciate.

 

 

I have no problem with making the tagging more robust and as I said in a reply to Darren I agree that modders should be forced to tag their mods, I'd even support sanctions against those mislabeling adult content. The reason for being so stubborn is censorship rarely comes in one go, it's creeps up on you, a little thing here, a little thing there, I've always felt it best to jump on it before it starts.

 

I'm also at a loss to understand what the problem with skimpy stuff and even nudity is, no one complains about decapitations, limbs being blown off and blood everywhere in games, yet the sight of half a nipple has people running around like the world is about to end, Anglo-Saxon morality beggars belief.

 

 

You can block the authors of that sort of content, I have a block list a mile long, it's mostly people who spam the imageshare or beg for endorsements.

 

Oh, I do block some posters - I try to keep it limited to only the ones that give me the serious creeps though, because I'm not sure if blocking users on the forum/imageshare also prevents them from using my mods? I don't want to ban them from my mods because technically they didn't do anything wrong, I just don't want to see the stuff they're posting.

 

Also this is a community and I think those who choose to be part of it need to be tolerant of others, I see way too much "Ban what I don't like" selfishness, the tools exist to filter stuff out and the staff are there to ensure those filters are applied, I'm not seeing a massive problem.

I don't think anyone here is crying 'ban everything I don't agree with!". Personally, I think most folk just want a better way to individualize what they see here. I know I don't mind if there's a ton of porn mods on the site, I just want to be able to properly filter them out for myself, while still being able to see the mods I am interested in. A better tagging system and such.

 

 

It doesn't block them from using your mods or seeing your images, it just stops their stuff showing for you.

[LadyMilla]

The filtering system needs work in many ways and that includes perhaps a look at the filtering of adult/NSFW type content. The filter system needs to be promoted more so that it is used by both mod authors and mod users.

 

I fail to see why we can not all come together (and by we I mean all sides of this, authors, mod downloaders, and staff) and try to make this better, even if we can not get the extremes to agree, and create ideas for improvements that everyone can use and appreciate.

 

 

Suggestions for improving the filtering systems are obviously welcome, but people need to understand that fine-grain filtering takes a toll on server performance (I chatted with the developers about implementing some ideas posted in the comment topic for the news article about the site re-design project and I was told that extending the functionality of our filtering system was not as straightforward a process as one might believe). So don't expect filters that allow you to block such minutiae as 'exposed ankles' or 'oversized nostrils'.

 

 

 

 

 

It doesn't block them from using your mods or seeing your images, it just stops their stuff showing for you.

 

 

Indeed, the "author blocking" feature is the best solution if you stumble upon a mod that you find offensive and you cannot filter out the mod because otherwise you do not want to block mods with those tags.

[Dark0ne]

Suggestions for improving the filtering systems are obviously welcome, but people need to understand that fine-grain filtering takes a toll on server performance (I chatted with the developers about implementing some ideas posted in the comment topic for the news article about the site re-design project and I was told that extending the functionality of our filtering system was not as straightforward a process as one might believe). So don't expect filters that allow you to block such minutiae as 'exposed ankles' or 'oversized nostrils'.

 

 

Indeed. The crux of the issue is; the more customization options we provide so that users can see exactly what they want to see, the less we can cache, and ergo the more powerful (and expensive) our server hardware has to be to cope.

 

If everyone saw the same thing, for example, with no customization at all, it'd probably save us ~$75,000 a year in server expenses. So we pay a lot of money to ensure people can see more of what they want, and less of what they don't.

[chucksteel]

I'm not advocating censorship in any form. I also don't really care what people want to see or have in there single player games. It doesn't effect me at all. My problem is Having it constantly shoved in my face and being told "Don't Like it Don't Look at it!" Well as it stands the filter system is like using a sledge hammer to change a light bulb!

 

The fact that Authors are not required to add at least one tag especially "NSFW" or "Adult" for there mods that should require it breaks the system and I'm forced to block many mods that I normally wouldn't mind seeing to filter out the ones I don't want in my face.

 

I would be for,

• a minimum of one tag requirement to continue with uploading,
• adding "Adult Violence", "Adult Language", "Adult Nudity/Sex" to the filter system

I do understand this is a touchy subject and many peoples opinions will differ on what should be called "Art" and what should be called "Porn". I do think there is a middle ground which we could all agree on and some way to make everyone reasonably happy.

[MissMorose]

I'm also at a loss to understand what the problem with skimpy stuff and even nudity is, no one complains about deceptions, limbs being blown off and blood everywhere in games, yet the sight of half a nipple has people running around like the world is about to end, Anglo-Saxon morality beggars belief.

In my experience, there just aren't nearly as many mods for violence as there are for sex/nudity. Most people don't make mods that make death scenes more traumatic, and most quest mods have the same amount of violence as the base game allows [or it's all text]. I know for Skyrim there was that one 'deadly mutilation' [?] mod that let you rip/slice people in half... I thought that was gross and I didn't download it. Same reason I don't play games with ultra crazy violence, like Mortal Combat. Hatred or the Witcher games. I think people are just more outspoken against nudity because we're more exposed to it in the mod section [and of course U.S does have a pretty janky view of sex vs. violence in movies/games].

 

It doesn't block them from using your mods or seeing your images, it just stops their stuff showing for you.

And thanks - I'll start making use of that then. ^^

 

As for server limitations on tagging, totally understandable. As I said, my experience with the current tagging system has worked really well, and most content I don't care for is pretty much hidden from me. I also understand that the imageshare isn't the main priority on the site, so I wasn't really expecting a full fledged tagging system there any time soon. I agree with chucksteel that separating Adult Content between Violence, Language and Nudity would be amazingly handy, but if it's not feasible then it's not feasible. I think most of my issues will be solved just knowing that the Block Author is a one-way thing now.

[Lisnpuppy]

 

Suggestions for improving the filtering systems are obviously welcome, but people need to understand that fine-grain filtering takes a toll on server performance (I chatted with the developers about implementing some ideas posted in the comment topic for the news article about the site re-design project and I was told that extending the functionality of our filtering system was not as straightforward a process as one might believe). So don't expect filters that allow you to block such minutiae as 'exposed ankles' or 'oversized nostrils'.

 

 

Indeed. The crux of the issue is; the more customization options we provide so that users can see exactly what they want to see, the less we can cache, and ergo the more powerful (and expensive) our server hardware has to be to cope.

 

If everyone saw the same thing, for example, with no customization at all, it'd probably save us ~$75,000 a year in server expenses. So we pay a lot of money to ensure people can see more of what they want, and less of what they don't.

 

 

I know and that is why I only offered the three instead of a million different. I personally see no need to have more perhaps the three, nudity, sex and violence/lang/mature theme (all that in one filter) and that seems to be a common request and I think a good one.

 

As much as folks would like to further separate them it isn't practical. I also do not think that there is perhaps as many mods that would fall under certain categories to need much more filters. However, that does not however make this not a discussion-able one. Some existing tags could be removed and/or updated to be better understood perhaps.

 

Also as I have said, finding a way to get this message out of Nexus functions would be great. There are so many different functions this site has that go completely un-noticed (for whatever reason) that I think we should figure out a way to address. Perhaps a site tutorial that if completed that would get a month of supporter or premium membership. If already a member then something else.

 

While I believe we all should put on our big girl panties and take responsibility for ourselves here, finding ways to improve the site and get the good news out to me, is always a welcome thing.

 

And thank you Robin for explaining the cost. I know I have no clue about these things and knowing this helps put things in perspective of the real world implications.

 

 

edit: I really like what Chuck said, it pretty much fits like what I have been saying would be a good idea, especially a mandatory addition tag