Do You Think the Delayed Creation Kit Will Have a Long Term Negative Effect on Modding?

[ddavies10693]

By that logic with the nazis then the civil rights movement was also bad, and the American revolution, ending apartheid, ending slavery... you get the idea. More often than not, popular movements open people's eyes to injustice they either didn't see or didn't care about.

 

That article is complete speculation as well. He talks about what they want to happen, and what they think will happen in the future. Not really evidence either way in that respect.

 

You guys really aren't reading every thing I'm saying, you're picking one small point and fighting me over it. For the last time: I think paid modding would be good for the community in the long run, BUT it isn't likely to happen again for a triple A Bethesda game anytime soon because of real events that actually just happened in the past a relatively short time ago.

[minngarm]

By that logic with the nazis then the civil rights movement was also bad, and the American revolution, ending apartheid, ending slavery... you get the idea. More often than not, popular movements open people's eyes to injustice they either didn't see or didn't care about.

 

That article is complete speculation as well. He talks about what they want to happen, and what they think will happen in the future. Not really evidence either way in that respect.

 

You guys really aren't reading every thing I'm saying, you're picking one small point and fighting me over it. For the last time: I think paid modding would be good for the community in the long run, BUT it isn't likely to happen again for a triple A Bethesda game anytime soon because of real events that actually just happened in the past a relatively short time ago.

Considering the history of the country the American Revolution may have been a bad thing over all. It lead to prolonged slavery after all, religious persecutions, expansionist wars, genocide and so on. There are far more examples in history of popular opinion resulting in misdeeds and ill than there are good popular movements like civil rights and womens suffrage.

 

Ontop of that considering that paid modding is a proven successful system in the dozens of other games it is implemented in there is no reason it can not be expanded to other games and all types of modders. Simply don't buy what you don't want to buy.

 

 

 

Every wording Beth has had on the subject has left it clearly open that they will be considering bringing paid modding back and fairly soon at that.

[Boombro]

 

 

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Exactly, that and a robust refund policy, a better split, and the only real problems are resolved.

Expect the hate.

The biggest damage of paid mods was the death threats, hate spamming and trolls that made some modders take down all their stuff and just leave. Some never came back yet.

[minngarm]

 

 

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Exactly, that and a robust refund policy, a better split, and the only real problems are resolved.

Expect the hate.

The biggest damage of paid mods was the death threats, hate spamming and trolls that made some modders take down all their stuff and just leave. Some never came back yet.

 

i've had someone track me down IRL and come to my apt in person for online issues (unrelated) so yea I'm well aware of the hate and degree of aggression you can get from it.

[hamguy21]

 

It should be obvious by now that Bethesda are purposefully delaying the release of the Creation Kit ....

Citation needed.

 

there is no reason to post any citations, it is obvious.

 

the impact it will have is many shitty mods the break the game. since there is no creation kit, there is no unified modding. people have to hack the game to get things to work and this breaks things.

I installed a mod and my textures broke.

 

I am not sorry but paid mods is real shitty and if you support it you are shitty person. If you want to earn money for your work modding is not for you. the appreciation you receive should be enough and the experience you gain should be used on your resume assuming you want to be paid to make games. if you want to make money go make a game or do it in a game that has micro transactions.

 

Next you'll have people copyrighting mods so you cant improve or use what another mod author created.

it just creates a restrictive and Toxic environment, where creativity is sapped out of the system in favor of monetary gain. How many thousands of shitty mods will be created for pennies. which add up.

Edited March 18, 2016 by hamguy21

[WursWaldo]

Expect the hate.

The biggest damage of paid mods was the death threats, hate spamming and trolls that made some modders take down all their stuff and just leave. Some never came back yet.

Welcome to the internet.

 

I've never been threatened on-line but I've been threatened multiple times in real life by people fully capable of carrying out their threats. I'm still alive. Working at my family's dry cleaning business I've had pistols pointed at my face and knives brandished at me. The year before my family left Sudan I was thrown on the ground by Muslim militia men and had the barrel of an assault rifle pressed against the back of my head. I was nine years old.

 

Crying 'internet violence' is a first world special snowflake reaction to people saying mean things to them. SJWs and 3rd wave feminists harass, troll and docs the people they target. But when it happens to them it is harassment and something must be done to stop it. Internet threats and the over reactions to them are internet drama and nothing more. The internet is stupid like that.

 

Modders pulling down their monetized content was a rage quit tactic that didn't work. They weren't forced to remove their content, they chose to. It was an inflamed situation, like someone posting a controversial video on YouTube and then removing it after the unavoidable backlash, or blocking the likes/dislikes and comments.

 

But all of this is way off topic. :sleep:

Edited March 18, 2016 by WursWaldo

[Reneer]

there is no reason to post any citations, it is obvious.

 

the impact it will have is many shitty mods the break the game. since there is no creation kit, there is no unified modding. people have to hack the game to get things to work and this breaks things.

I installed a mod and my textures broke.

There never is a thing such as "unified modding". A modder can just as easily "break" your textures using the CK as they can with FO4Edit.

 

I am not sorry but paid mods is real shitty and if you support it you are shitty person. If you want to earn money for your work modding is not for you. the appreciation you receive should be enough and the experience you gain should be used on your resume assuming you want to be paid to make games. if you want to make money go make a game or do it in a game that has micro transactions.

This argument is also known as "I don't want to pay money for what I can get for free and if you want to get paid for your hard work then f*** you".

 

Next you'll have people copyrighting mods so you cant improve or use what another mod author created.

it just creates a restrictive and Toxic environment, where creativity is sapped out of the system in favor of monetary gain. How many thousands of shitty mods will be created for pennies. which add up.

Last I checked, no one was holding a gun to your head and forcing you to download those thousands of shitty mods.

 

Modders pulling down their monetized content was a rage quit tactic that didn't work. They weren't forced to remove their content, they chose to. It was an inflamed situation, like someone posting a controversial video on YouTube and then removing it after the unavoidable backlash, or blocking the likes/dislikes and comments.

Yup. Getting paid for your work. Controversial, that. Edited March 18, 2016 by Reneer

[minngarm]

 

 

It should be obvious by now that Bethesda are purposefully delaying the release of the Creation Kit ....

Citation needed.

 

there is no reason to post any citations, it is obvious.

 

the impact it will have is many shitty mods the break the game. since there is no creation kit, there is no unified modding. people have to hack the game to get things to work and this breaks things.

I installed a mod and my textures broke.

 

I am not sorry but paid mods is real shitty and if you support it you are shitty person. If you want to earn money for your work modding is not for you. the appreciation you receive should be enough and the experience you gain should be used on your resume assuming you want to be paid to make games. if you want to make money go make a game or do it in a game that has micro transactions.

 

Next you'll have people copyrighting mods so you cant improve or use what another mod author created.

it just creates a restrictive and Toxic environment, where creativity is sapped out of the system in favor of monetary gain. How many thousands of shitty mods will be created for pennies. which add up.

 

Wow you are a genuinely horrible person, and a prime example of the downside of trying to listen to everyone.

 

You have absolutely no valid reason to be against it, and the fact remains that being against people having the option to make money for their hard work makes YOU the shitty person here.

 

Furthermore you have no understanding of the terms and modding communities clearly or you would know you literally can not take someone elses work and "improve" on it without their permission, not just in the site rules but also in any site at all, every day mod authors are getting 3rd party uploads and even sites shut down for stealing their content and making slight tweaks to it without permission.

[Boombro]

 

 

Expect the hate.The biggest damage of paid mods was the death threats, hate spamming and trolls that made some modders take down all their stuff and just leave. Some never came back yet.

Welcome to the internet.

 

I've never been threatened on-line but I've been threatened multiple times in real life by people fully capable of carrying out their threats. I'm still alive. Working at my family's dry cleaning business I've had pistols pointed at my face and knives brandished at me. The year before my family left Sudan I was thrown on the ground by Muslim militia men and had the barrel of an assault rifle pressed against the back of my head. I was nine years old.

 

Crying 'internet violence' is a first world special snowflake reaction to people saying mean things to them. SJWs and 3rd wave feminists harass, troll and docs the people they target. But when it happens to them it is harassment and something must be done to stop it. Internet threats and the over reactions to them are internet drama and nothing more. The internet is stupid like that.

 

Modders pulling down their monetized content was a rage quit tactic that didn't work. They weren't forced to remove their content, they chose to. It was an inflamed situation, like someone posting a controversial video on YouTube and then removing it after the unavoidable backlash, or blocking the likes/dislikes and comments.

 

But all of this is way off topic. :sleep:

But it is a legit problem. Not to you maybe, but for someone else, it is.

 

Sorry, and with all respect to you, the argument of others having it worse so you should feel better doesn't work most of the time.

 

Of course, expect if it was tumblr style.

[Boombro]

 

 

Expect the hate.The biggest damage of paid mods was the death threats, hate spamming and trolls that made some modders take down all their stuff and just leave. Some never came back yet.

Welcome to the internet.

 

I've never been threatened on-line but I've been threatened multiple times in real life by people fully capable of carrying out their threats. I'm still alive. Working at my family's dry cleaning business I've had pistols pointed at my face and knives brandished at me. The year before my family left Sudan I was thrown on the ground by Muslim militia men and had the barrel of an assault rifle pressed against the back of my head. I was nine years old.

 

Crying 'internet violence' is a first world special snowflake reaction to people saying mean things to them. SJWs and 3rd wave feminists harass, troll and docs the people they target. But when it happens to them it is harassment and something must be done to stop it. Internet threats and the over reactions to them are internet drama and nothing more. The internet is stupid like that.

 

Modders pulling down their monetized content was a rage quit tactic that didn't work. They weren't forced to remove their content, they chose to. It was an inflamed situation, like someone posting a controversial video on YouTube and then removing it after the unavoidable backlash, or blocking the likes/dislikes and comments.

 

But all of this is way off topic. :sleep:

But it is a legit problem. Not to you maybe, but for someone else, it is.

 

Sorry, and with all respect to you, the argument of others having it worse so you should feel better doesn't work most of the time.

 

Expect if it was tumblr style of course. Ignore that s#*!.