damncrow Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So this has been the trouble. I read about the unfortunate DDoS incident in the news section but I was completely unaware of whole Latvian IP ranges being blocked. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 You can also thank your 'friends' at anonymous for releasing a simple tool for DDOSing to anyone. And asking for their many friends and admirers to 'open' their computer for it's use. Many fools did just that and now allow their computer to be used for any and all uses of the LOIC tool. Most of these unwitting zombie computer owners think the LOIC is only used by 'official' anonymous users to target evil corporations and governments - In reality, it can and is used by nearly anyone to DDOS any site for any - or no reason at all. If you are one of those who have 'opened' their computer for use by anonymous to attack the CIA or the evil Sony empire - it could just as easily be used to attack theNexus or the bank where you have your life savings instead. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDStudios Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 You can also thank your 'friends' at anonymous for releasing a simple tool for DDOSing to anyone. And asking for their many friends and admirers to 'open' their computer for it's use. Many fools did just that and now allow their computer to be used for any and all uses of the LOIC tool. Most of these unwitting zombie computer owners think the LOIC is only used by 'official' anonymous users to target evil corporations and governments - In reality, it can and is used by nearly anyone to DDOS any site for any - or no reason at all. If you are one of those who have 'opened' their computer for use by anonymous to attack the CIA or the evil Sony empire - it could just as easily be used to attack theNexus or the bank where you have your life savings instead. :rolleyes: I stopped following what Anonymous was doing after things died down after the Sony, ps3 attacks.If they have done all of that then the internet community as a whole is in serious danger. Not just big companies and the nexus. What are governments and local authorities doing about all of this?! o_O It's people like these that are going to be the reason for removing internet anonymity and removing our freedom on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 LOIC has existed for years, and it's been a trojan app the whole time. Nothing about this changed recently other than its use becoming far more high profile. Why anyone would willingly sign their computer up to some unknown botnet is beyond me. You may as well hang a sign out in your yard inviting the cops to come arrest you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damncrow Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) You can also thank your 'friends'This is a seriously disturbing attitude. Generalizing much. Why "your"? What "friends"? Contrary to previously stated by admin, there are laws against harmful interfering with information systems over here. Even with all the laws barely any recent DDoS or hack attack has ever seen legal action worldwide, anyway, so it's not even an argument. But I suppose it's not important. "These are just a bunch of drinking USSR cavemen, they don't even have proper internets there, BLOCK THEM!". So it seems I'll continue using Tor to wander around here. Thank you. We did not deserve this. Edited July 19, 2011 by damncrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandal Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 ...But I suppose it's not important. "These are just a bunch of drinking USSR cavemen, they don't even have proper internets there, BLOCK THEM!". So it seems I'll continue using Tor to wander around here. Thank you. We did not deserve this.No. That is not an accurate summary. The correct one is: "The ISP through which the deliberate, targeted attacks were launched has informed the management of these sites that it will take no actions to prevent future similar events. As a protective measure for the sites and their members world-wide, the Nexus is therefore taking the course remaining open to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damncrow Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) So, if I may ask so, what is the action that more cooperative ISPs actually do take? Or they just tell - "oh gee sure mister, u can tlly count on us lol"? To my knowledge there is no effective way to combat DDoS, at all. Except filtering all traffic. I might add then - we actually enjoy the freedom of not having any filtering, not having bandwidth caps, port blocking or throttling; you tell us about your freedom now. Because DDoS-ing happens nevertheless, only loyal customers/users are getting screwed. Nor should an ISP take a word on it and snub a customer given an IP by some site's admin, no one is guilty unless proven otherwise, after all. Never mind that IP does not point to a person, it points to a customer. That's the job of the police to investigate and act accordingly, ISP is not a law enforcement institution. Contrary to aforementioned, there are laws about harmful interfering with operation of information systems over here. If ISP is not proving to be cooperative, simply contact police. Well, it's easier to ban some neanderthal country right away, though. But that's not even the point. The guy who was at the head of the attack has actually achieved his real goal - to cripple site's functionality for a whole country. DDoS is a kamikaze-like terrorism, it's not about whether he could get his personal matters (warnings/disables/bans) settled with this site's staff, he wanted to do collateral damage. And he has by far succeeded in doing so. No one wins, everybody loses. Never mind that I'm simply butthurt to find about this whole thing months after the block has been issued. There could've been an e-mail to members or something, so we're not left clueless. I've asked admin if it was possible to lift the ban on my IP, with no result. Ok, he's probably a very busy guy, I can wait, it's not like I'm totally blocked, I'm writing here after all. Those who want it, will find ways around blocks anyway. Maybe that includes your bad guy which is now awfully happy about what he's done and how a bunch of tards are now arguing about it. Edited July 19, 2011 by damncrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Usual procedure is: check logssend relevant logs with timestamps to the ISPISP responds with acknowledgement of receipt and start of investigationinvestigation concludes after their logs link up with our logs, they either send a warning letter to the malicious user or remove their account completelythey inform us of the action they've taken What happened with this case: checked logssent logs to relevant ISPISP responded with "we don't have any laws against this in our country" stuffasked for clarification that nothing would be donereceived clarification that nothing would be doneban listed IP ranges that ISP used Tum-di-dum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damncrow Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) So the reply from this ISP is an example of incompetence. Purely bureaucratic reason. There are necessary laws and there is police and a cybercrime division that handles it, the latter didn't appear right out of ground either, has been for years. Again - thank you for banning us. Terrorists win. Edited July 19, 2011 by damncrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enyap Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Usual procedure is: check logssend relevant logs with timestamps to the ISPISP responds with acknowledgement of receipt and start of investigationinvestigation concludes after their logs link up with our logs, they either send a warning letter to the malicious user or remove their account completelythey inform us of the action they've taken What happened with this case: checked logssent logs to relevant ISPISP responded with "we don't have any laws against this in our country" stuffasked for clarification that nothing would be donereceived clarification that nothing would be doneban listed IP ranges that ISP used Tum-di-dum. Can I ask once more what is this ISP who you contacted. Im quite pissed at this point. If it is actually the company who sends me my internet bill I will be more then happy to dump them and switch to another ISP even if it wont fix this particular problem. I would really like to know who's to blame for getting me this treatment and slandering my countries name with this "We have no laws against it here" bulls***. Could you please give me that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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