minngarm Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 No Falloutish is refering to the overall feel of the fallout universe, not dogmatic narrow minded adherance to FO1. Just like any good franchise things change overtime, what was in the begining may not fit that well into the game world later on compared to a replacement as it unifies the theme of the game universe better. Like saying ghouls are FEV mutants, it makes more sense logically than radiation yes, but when you want to expand beyond the areas you have established FEV to be, and want to bring it, you either have to do some sort of vast exodus, airborne FEV, or change the cause of it, you could just as easily say (which I find preferable) that the Ghoul state is caused both by FEV and Radiation. Who says you have to have only one thing that can cause this result, it could be caused in a similar way by more than one thing. Like headaches, many sources, same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantih Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Falloutish is being as close as possible to Fallout 1 and in Fallout 1 you had a PDA like pipboy. Fallout 3 cannot be the basis of what it "Falloutish" its the basis of what is "Fallout3ish" What the man says. Fallour 3 is utter rubbish so if you take it as a basis then you're way off there. Seriously I didn't mind Fallout 3 that much since it allowed the franchise to go on but it's a fact that they made a mess of many things. I'm not a rabid Fallout 1 fanboy (otherwise I wouldn't like FNV) but saying that Fallout 3 was anything else than what it was (a way to bring back the franchise from oblivion by using the Oblivion engine) is a load of crap. Fallout 3 didn't bring back anything lore wise, if anything it made a huge mess with many things like the Enclave, Lyons' Brotherhood and Supermutants in DC. It's canon because Bethesda paid good money for the rights to the Fallout name but it doesn't make it right. The pipboy 3000 is a piece of garbage. Older Fallout games used the Pipboy 2000 and that was a device that actually made sense. Saying that the pipboy 3000 is more "falloutish" is just plain nonsense. The good people at Bethesda worked hard to include as many Fallout elements into Fallout 3 so it would look like a Fallout game but the truth is that Fallout 3 is closer to Oblivion with guns than a real Fallout game. If you want a real Fallout game then Fallout New Vegas is the closest thing you'll ever get in this day and age (that is unless you don't mind replaying Fallout 1 and 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdthemag Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Minngarm, you obviously have no idea what your talking about so please stop talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minngarm Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Why dont you try bringing something to the discussion Bdthemag instead of just making an ass of yourself. As for whats Falloutish, no saying the 1st is what defines falloutish is not true. Why? because the creators of the fallout series continue to change things to better fit their vision of the world. Now they may not have complete control over every Fallout game that was made, or the books, or any other "fallout cannon" items brought to the table, but its their world, their vision, and if they decide in fallout 23 or w/e down the road to change something like ghouls not being from radiation or fev, but rather the next step in natural evolution, then that does become falloutish. Anyways back to my previous point, the Pipboy 3000 feels more falloutish in my opinion because it matchs along with the style of the rest of the tech ive seen in the fallout games and lore. You are welcome to disagree, but I can promise you that you can not honestly think it stands out like a sore thumb in the fallout world. It looks and feels like something that would be easily concieved and placed into the fallout universe. And for the major differences between it and the 2000 model, well thats easily to logically determine as well, they wanted a unit that was readilly accessable and did not encomber the user with requiring the use of both hands, so you attach it to the wrist to free up the one hand, and only need use the other to manipulate the controls, letting you keep some freedom of movement while using it. It just feels far more immersive to me than a PDA style pipboy. And thus helps me adapt more to playing in the fallout world. Now if you think a differance in opinion from your own preferance means you have the right to act like a complete moron and a**hole to others, especially when they are far more willing to accept the point of view of others than you, well you may be right that you have that right to act that way, but it does make you a rather shitty person on the inside. So hey, why not grow up a bit, have a rational discussion with others, make your points without trying to insult someone you will most likely never meet in person because you feel some need to lash out acrossed cyber space to make up for the inadequencys in your own life, and just have a polite discussion for once. Because hey, you may like something, that others dont, but by being nice about things instead of an ass, you could just as easily "convert" or introduce someone to something they may not know, or think of beforehand, and thus find someone who also enjoys something you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModelV Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 People say you dont know what your talking about and your logic is flawed and you insult their RL. The guys in Bethesda are not "the creators of fallout" the guys in Black Isle are the creators of Fallout. And my comment on Ghouls completely went over your head. They COMPLETELY messed up Ghouls. In Fallout 3 ghouls are just humans with different skin but that isnt what a Ghoul is. If they made real ghouls it wouldnt be a reskin of a human they would make a whole new creater hell they could just use Feral ghoul sprites thats a lot closer to what Ghouls are. Ghouls are slow, sickly creatures that get healed by radiation Charon and the Feral Ghouls are complete blasphemy of Fallout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantih Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 You are welcome to disagree, but I can promise you that you can not honestly think it stands out like a sore thumb in the fallout world. I disagree with you on everything and please in the future don't tell me what I can think or what I can't think -honestly or not. You base what you're saying on your own opinion (which is fine) and the fact that to you it's all about Fallout 3 (which I can't agree with). To disregard Fallout 1 and consider Fallout 3 as being more "falloutish" (if that's even a word) doesn't make sense. Fallout 1 is the original Fallout game, not Fallout 3. To claim otherwise is either misinformed or disingenuous. People say you dont know what your talking about and your logic is flawed and you insult their RL. The guys in Bethesda are not "the creators of fallout" the guys in Black Isle are the creators of Fallout. And my comment on Ghouls completely went over your head. They COMPLETELY messed up Ghouls. In Fallout 3 ghouls are just humans with different skin but that isnt what a Ghoul is. If they made real ghouls it wouldnt be a reskin of a human they would make a whole new creater hell they could just use Feral ghoul sprites thats a lot closer to what Ghouls are. Ghouls are slow, sickly creatures that get healed by radiation Charon and the Feral Ghouls are complete blasphemy of Fallout. I agree with these points but I'd like to point out that Black Isle made Fallout 2 whereas Fallout 1 was made Interplay Entertainment. I think that the real question is maintaining some continuity with previous titles. Fallout 3 messed up many things in that respect. Having a TV screen strapped to your arm instead of a wrist watch PDA like the pip boy 2000 (which wasn't necessarily worn on the wrist by the way) is just an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Falloutish is being as close as possible to Fallout 1 and in Fallout 1 you had a PDA like pipboy. Fallout 3 cannot be the basis of what it "Falloutish" its the basis of what is "Fallout3ish" Actually not true, the pipboy you had in Fallout 1 was also a cumbersome arm worn device, much like the Pipboy 3000. The original Pipboy 2000 was a PDA like device (although more the size of a slim lunchbox), BUT the main characters in Fallout 1 and 2 did not get the Pipboy 2000. They actually got the Pipboy 2000 Plus, which was similar to the Pipboy 3000 in Fallout 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojaveMike Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 The PDA Pip Boy makes no sense given the Fallout lore. Something that small couldn't exist in a world where the transistor was only invented ten years before the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 The PDA Pip Boy makes no sense given the Fallout lore. Something that small couldn't exist in a world where the transistor was only invented ten years before the war. Also true, even the hand held version of the Pipboy (which was never used by the main character in FO1 and 2) was a sort of large clunky kind of device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantih Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 The PDA Pip Boy makes no sense given the Fallout lore. Something that small couldn't exist in a world where the transistor was only invented ten years before the war. Also true, even the hand held version of the Pipboy (which was never used by the main character in FO1 and 2) was a sort of large clunky kind of device. I get what you're saying about the transistor but this is not entirely consistent -the water chip in Fallout 1 is supposed to be a "chip" and that is at odds with the whole transistor thing. The actual water chip looks retro futuristic in style but still it's ambiguous at the very least. The pipboy that the Vault Dweller wore wasn't clunky by any means even if the original Vault Dweller from Vault 13 wore it on his wrist (note his wrist, not his entire forearm). I'll post this link one more time: http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/images/36765-4-1289138144.jpg Do you really see a TV set wrapped around the original Vault Dweller's arm? :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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