Future of EU...

[Mirocu]

Time for England to regain control of their economy, fishing and not least their borders. About bloody time.

 

 

Even if nothing happens because of the thoroughly corrupt system, it´s still a good statement that the people has had enough of this crap. Hopefully this voting will leave rings in the water that spread and multiplies. I for one would like to see the same voting here.

[kvnchrist]

 

 

 

I'm happy from the British people. I hope they leave the naysayers in their dust and go on into a brighter future than anyone could have imagined. All these posts about the economy seem to leave out what I think was the most important thing to them, which was the ability to chart their own course, up or down.

 

Armageddon was over by teatime, the doomsayers were left scraping around for something else to latch onto. What has been saddening is seeing how many people place next to no value on democracy, so many people didn't care that they were being governed by people they didn't elect and could not remove,

 

 

 

What people fail to see is the prosperity is not exclusively economic ideal and sometimes peace of mind is far more valuable than any gold in the universe. I stand with England, up or down, I have my fingers crossed, but seeing that it stood sovereign for far more years than it stood with the EU, I think they will do well.

 

 

Is that 'peace of mind' or 'piece of mind'...?

 

Yepp, all the gold in the world will mean nothing, so long as you have the democratic freedom to eat your own fingers in order to survive.

 

For King and Country!

 

I've noticed so much fear mongering going on in both camps that I'm well used to this. What I'm wondering if much of this is sincere concern for others or attempts by the idealistically inclined to sneer at each other.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

 

I'm happy from the British people. I hope they leave the naysayers in their dust and go on into a brighter future than anyone could have imagined. All these posts about the economy seem to leave out what I think was the most important thing to them, which was the ability to chart their own course, up or down.

 

Armageddon was over by teatime, the doomsayers were left scraping around for something else to latch onto. What has been saddening is seeing how many people place next to no value on democracy, so many people didn't care that they were being governed by people they didn't elect and could not remove,

 

 

 

What people fail to see is the prosperity is not exclusively economic ideal and sometimes peace of mind is far more valuable than any gold in the universe. I stand with England, up or down, I have my fingers crossed, but seeing that it stood sovereign for far more years than it stood with the EU, I think they will do well.

 

 

Is that 'peace of mind' or 'piece of mind'...?

 

Yepp, all the gold in the world will mean nothing, so long as you have the democratic freedom to eat your own fingers in order to survive.

 

For King and Country!

 

I've noticed so much fear mongering going on in both camps that I'm well used to this. What I'm wondering if much of this is sincere concern for others or attempts by the idealistically inclined to sneer at these people..

 

 

The problem is that the establishment have stirred up all this debate and questioning our existence only to provide people with a single vote, one way or another. If we look at the result not as a win or lose but rather a collective consensus about things it is clear people are unhappy, disaffected, confused and angry.

 

The nation is split and fractured in so many ways it will take long, and probably hard, times in order for people to reconcile, if they can. I believe and hope that they can, but we should be weary of any attempts by crooks to steer things towards further division and conquest.

 

It is very important that people now talk, try to understand eachother, and find common ground. If not then this whole thing will really turn out to be a waste.

 

Cricket anyone?

[BigBoots1]

48% of us voted to remain in the European Union, because we are internationalists and see that interdependency is essential in the modern world. The white working class who were Labour's vote have blamed Europe for things that are nothing to do with Europe, e.g loss of services that is due to Conservative 'austerity'. This has effected the poor and working class in post-industrial areas worst. Without the protections of European legislation for workers rights, the UK is set to slide into a long, slow decline which will be hardest on the very people who voted to leave. The Exit campaign are already admitting they lied when they said leaving meant more money for the NHS, a control on immigration etc. This will be the end of the UK because Scotland will vote to leave the UK and remain in the EU if possible. And despite the cries and rhetoric about 'freedom', ponder the fact that it is every facist party in Europe, plus Putin's Russia and Donald Trump, who are keen on the end of the European Union.

[JimboUK]

 

 

 

 

I'm happy from the British people. I hope they leave the naysayers in their dust and go on into a brighter future than anyone could have imagined. All these posts about the economy seem to leave out what I think was the most important thing to them, which was the ability to chart their own course, up or down.

 

Armageddon was over by teatime, the doomsayers were left scraping around for something else to latch onto. What has been saddening is seeing how many people place next to no value on democracy, so many people didn't care that they were being governed by people they didn't elect and could not remove,

 

 

 

What people fail to see is the prosperity is not exclusively economic ideal and sometimes peace of mind is far more valuable than any gold in the universe. I stand with England, up or down, I have my fingers crossed, but seeing that it stood sovereign for far more years than it stood with the EU, I think they will do well.

 

 

Is that 'peace of mind' or 'piece of mind'...?

 

Yepp, all the gold in the world will mean nothing, so long as you have the democratic freedom to eat your own fingers in order to survive.

 

For King and Country!

 

I've noticed so much fear mongering going on in both camps that I'm well used to this. What I'm wondering if much of this is sincere concern for others or attempts by the idealistically inclined to sneer at each other.

 

 

The shock on the faces of the politicians and their media pals spoke volumes, they couldn't believe that the plebs had not done what they were told, this is an interesting article that covers it better http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/06/24/the-end-of-globalism/

 

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm happy from the British people. I hope they leave the naysayers in their dust and go on into a brighter future than anyone could have imagined. All these posts about the economy seem to leave out what I think was the most important thing to them, which was the ability to chart their own course, up or down.

 

Armageddon was over by teatime, the doomsayers were left scraping around for something else to latch onto. What has been saddening is seeing how many people place next to no value on democracy, so many people didn't care that they were being governed by people they didn't elect and could not remove,

 

 

 

What people fail to see is the prosperity is not exclusively economic ideal and sometimes peace of mind is far more valuable than any gold in the universe. I stand with England, up or down, I have my fingers crossed, but seeing that it stood sovereign for far more years than it stood with the EU, I think they will do well.

 

 

Is that 'peace of mind' or 'piece of mind'...?

 

Yepp, all the gold in the world will mean nothing, so long as you have the democratic freedom to eat your own fingers in order to survive.

 

For King and Country!

 

I've noticed so much fear mongering going on in both camps that I'm well used to this. What I'm wondering if much of this is sincere concern for others or attempts by the idealistically inclined to sneer at each other.

 

 

The shock on the faces of the politicians and their media pals spoke volumes, they couldn't believe that the plebs had not done what they were told, this is an interesting article that covers it better http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/06/24/the-end-of-globalism/

 

 

 

They all planned for Brexit. Cameron couldn't wait to leave, all the Tories are on holiday, and Corbyn is like 'meh...'

 

It's so obvious, and if anything they are probably shocked because they thought it might be more of a fight.

[JimboUK]

 

 

They all planned for Brexit. Cameron couldn't wait to leave, all the Tories are on holiday, and Corbyn is like 'meh...'

 

It's so obvious, and if anything they are probably shocked because they thought it might be more of a fight.

 

 

Corbyn is "meh" because he's a old fashioned Eurosceptic who went along with remain to keep his MPs quiet. If Cameron had wanted Brexit he could have easily campaigned for it and won. The Tories love the EU, don't listen to their rhetoric, judge them on their record, they're like the Lib Dems. The Tory hierarchy love the EU because their paymasters do, they love the cheap labour and regulations that keep the big companies big and stifle competition. The Tories took us into the then EEC and they've twice now campaigned to keep us in. When Labour was the party of the working class it opposed membership and even manifesto commitment to leave, these days it's a collection of social justice warriors who are obsessed with identity politics and nothing else.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

They all planned for Brexit. Cameron couldn't wait to leave, all the Tories are on holiday, and Corbyn is like 'meh...'

 

It's so obvious, and if anything they are probably shocked because they thought it might be more of a fight.

 

 

Corbyn is "meh" because he's a old fashioned Eurosceptic who went along with remain to keep his MPs quiet. If Cameron had wanted Brexit he could have easily campaigned for it and won. The Tories love the EU, don't listen to their rhetoric, judge them on their record, they're like the Lib Dems. The Tory hierarchy love the EU because their paymasters do, they love the cheap labour and regulations that keep the big companies big and stifle competition. The Tories took us into the then EEC and they've twice now campaigned to keep us in. When Labour was the party of the working class it opposed membership and even manifesto commitment to leave, these days it's a collection of social justice warriors who are obsessed with identity politics and nothing else.

 

 

The EU is massively expensive. While a member, citizens are entitled to more pay and many more rights, and the only reason they like them is to sell financial services, which they can in the bucket load now that deregulation can take place and the Pound is cheap. All that will come with a caveat though, and Tories have many strings attached.

 

They may like to negotiate a better deal with them as a sort of half-member but they do not ever wish to part any real power to them. They had to 'split' the party so as not to seem biased, but it was all just a pincer movement, a circus, with the near annihilation of all opposition in the process. Very clever, but I smelt a rat from the very beginning.

[JimboUK]

 

 

 

 

They all planned for Brexit. Cameron couldn't wait to leave, all the Tories are on holiday, and Corbyn is like 'meh...'

 

It's so obvious, and if anything they are probably shocked because they thought it might be more of a fight.

 

 

Corbyn is "meh" because he's a old fashioned Eurosceptic who went along with remain to keep his MPs quiet. If Cameron had wanted Brexit he could have easily campaigned for it and won. The Tories love the EU, don't listen to their rhetoric, judge them on their record, they're like the Lib Dems. The Tory hierarchy love the EU because their paymasters do, they love the cheap labour and regulations that keep the big companies big and stifle competition. The Tories took us into the then EEC and they've twice now campaigned to keep us in. When Labour was the party of the working class it opposed membership and even manifesto commitment to leave, these days it's a collection of social justice warriors who are obsessed with identity politics and nothing else.

 

 

The EU is massively expensive. While a member, citizens are entitled to more pay and many more rights, and the only reason they like them is to sell financial services, which they can in the bucket load now that deregulation can take place and the Pound is cheap. All that will come with a caveat though, and Tories have many strings attached.

 

They may like to negotiate a better deal with them as a sort of half-member but they do not ever wish to part any real power to them. They had to 'split' the party so as not to seem biased, but it was all just a pincer movement, a circus, with the near annihilation of all opposition in the process. Very clever, but I smelt a rat from the very beginning.

 

 

Import cheap labour and wages fall, it's such basic concept that I'm always amazed so many fail to grasp it. For many the minimum wage is the maximum wage, with such a surplus of labour they can't expect more, it's simple supply and demand. For the self employed they have to work for next to nothing because if they don't they'll be undercut by someone who will, someone who doesn't have a family to support and who is willing to live ten to a room, it's another example of how the free movement of people drags everyone down to the lowest. Look at youth unemployment rates across the EU, they're horrific, cheap immigrant labour is now doing the jobs most of us started out in life doing, the young can't even get a start in life.

 

It's almost funny how big business has got the left dancing to its tune, what stops it being funny is the human cost, not that the EUs cheerleaders care, as we've seen time and again, the project is more important than the people who suffer because of it.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

 

 

They all planned for Brexit. Cameron couldn't wait to leave, all the Tories are on holiday, and Corbyn is like 'meh...'

 

It's so obvious, and if anything they are probably shocked because they thought it might be more of a fight.

 

 

Corbyn is "meh" because he's a old fashioned Eurosceptic who went along with remain to keep his MPs quiet. If Cameron had wanted Brexit he could have easily campaigned for it and won. The Tories love the EU, don't listen to their rhetoric, judge them on their record, they're like the Lib Dems. The Tory hierarchy love the EU because their paymasters do, they love the cheap labour and regulations that keep the big companies big and stifle competition. The Tories took us into the then EEC and they've twice now campaigned to keep us in. When Labour was the party of the working class it opposed membership and even manifesto commitment to leave, these days it's a collection of social justice warriors who are obsessed with identity politics and nothing else.

 

 

The EU is massively expensive. While a member, citizens are entitled to more pay and many more rights, and the only reason they like them is to sell financial services, which they can in the bucket load now that deregulation can take place and the Pound is cheap. All that will come with a caveat though, and Tories have many strings attached.

 

They may like to negotiate a better deal with them as a sort of half-member but they do not ever wish to part any real power to them. They had to 'split' the party so as not to seem biased, but it was all just a pincer movement, a circus, with the near annihilation of all opposition in the process. Very clever, but I smelt a rat from the very beginning.

 

 

Import cheap labour and wages fall, it's such basic concept that I'm always amazed so many fail to grasp it. For many the minimum wage is the maximum wage, with such a surplus of labour they can't expect more, it's simple supply and demand. For the self employed they have to work for next to nothing because if they don't they'll be undercut by someone who will, someone who doesn't have a family to support and who is willing to live ten to a room, it's another example of how the free movement of people drags everyone down to the lowest. Look at youth unemployment rates across the EU, they're horrific, cheap immigrant labour is now doing the jobs most of us started out in life doing, the young can't even get a start in life.

 

It's almost funny how big business has got the left dancing to its tune, what stops it being funny is the human cost, not that the EUs cheerleaders care, as we've seen time and again, the project is more important than the people who suffer because of it.

 

 

What you describe is exactly how the UK have been playing their cards and is precisely why they would not follow the same path. The EU has not been dynamic in this regard and it is the large number of immediate changes that has caused the prolem. They are primarily a fiscal based economy whereas the UK has been traditionally monetary orientated (hence the different currency) and this situation has been a sitting timebomb driven by differing political ideals.

 

The right, or rather their voters, are now ready to take to the floor as the left are used up and everyone is fed up of the same dance. Cheap labour in the UK will continue for most people, as the new 'living wage' has now been effectively reduced by the drop in the pound, coupled with a near complete dismantling of state welfare, and now the removal of EU membership restrictions. The key difference will be 'growth', enough to keep things ticking over while the EU has to either drastically reform, or tank.

 

There are no winners except those who have already won, everything else is just smoke and mirrors. Left and right becomes increasingly irrelevant as authritarianism is the new master.