Skyrim vs Fallout 4

[cossayos]

 

Many people play these types of games simply for the mods.

 

 

 

I'm one of these people. I couldn't imagine playing a sandbox, which these games ultimately are, without some additional flavors. The story never was Bethesda's strong suit. And other than that, they offer little besides fight, fetch, repeat.

 

That's different with other game genres and companies. There are quite a lot of games where I don't even go looking for mods.

Edited June 18, 2016 by cossayos

[bobofudd]

I'm surprised other companies and studios haven't tried to copy or compete with Bethesda style games. I've been playing Witcher 3 along with FO4 and while the game is very well done, it lacks the go anywhere do anything you want style. I couldn't see replaying the game in a different way.

[cossayos]

I'm surprised other companies and studios haven't tried to copy or compete with Bethesda style games. I've been playing Witcher 3 along with FO4 and while the game is very well done, it lacks the go anywhere do anything you want style. I couldn't see replaying the game in a different way.

 

Tastes differ. If it was only about go anywhere, do anything, I wouldn't touch Bethesda games. They mostly lack soul in their vanilla state, since I hardly feel to be part of the world.

 

But as a matter of fact, I like different games for different reasons. I never played the Witcher, but I played the Dragon Age series.

 

Game companies usually don't copy each others style because they all have their audience to cater to. If everyone made open ended open world games, noone would buy them anymore.

[Boombro]

Making games like this takes long years and take tons of cash. But I want to see something like it so dame much. It would be cool.

 

The thing is, making a game open for mods like beth games means the game would always be buggy. It like a trade, so some devs don't like that,

[bobofudd]

Witcher 3 was suppose to have mod support but I think they backed out right before it was suppose to be released. Or they released a not so good version of it. I do have a few mods for my game but they are pretty simple.

[CiderMuffin]

Witcher 3 was suppose to have mod support but I think they backed out right before it was suppose to be released. Or they released a not so good version of it. I do have a few mods for my game but they are pretty simple.

It does through modkit but it's not to the full scale of Redkit or even that of Bethesda's construction kits.

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/modkit-is-the-only-planned-mod-support-for-the-witcher-3/

[vyvexthorne]

I have to say, that as much as I enjoy Bethesda's Fallout games they really fall flat when compared to the TES series. This is easily chalked up to the fact that TES is their baby. They built the world from the ground up and sat around at young ages creating all the lore and whatnot. I feel that they've had a lot of trouble making Fallout feel like theirs and thus have trouble making a world that feels rich and alive. Fallout needs some good lore and at the moment it doesn't have that. There are huge gaps in pre-war and post war history... I think if they would sit around and flesh those out they'd find it easier to create a richer feeling world.

[midtek]

No, that's not the case. Beth already turned Fallout series into one of their successful business. It will be an utter fool to take this potato lightly due to somewhat 'I like my baby' sentiment. They put their best efforts to keep this success in both titles - not just because a business, because it's pro to their job.

As the consequence, Fallout 4 already made it and hit the market.

I guess this game can be seen as a nuisance as an ugly adopted baby to some old fans. For the public, both are good videogames nowadays. That's it. Skyrim is good. Avid fans just fancy it to another level where all the other fandoms do.

[gamefever]

zanity, on 17 Jun 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

A little time before playing FO4, I began another playthru of Skyrim with the aim of modding the game to the max. Skyrim is a magnificant game, and the mods are to die for. Anyhoo FO4 (and Dying Light and Witcher 3) had my recent attention, and Skyrim was left untouched since then.

 

Yesterday I visited the Skyrim part of the Nexus and checked out the recent mods. My mouth hasn't stopped DROOLING as I discovered in the meantime killer mods have appeared that excite me more than ANYTHING in Fallout 4- vanilla or mods.

 

Now I'm NOT talking about special-ed Skyrim (which is most certainly NOT a remaster), where Beth bangs the old vanilla assets into the FO4 engine and suggests to suckers they've done something approaching 'work'. Original Skyrim fully modded is better than ANYTHING special-ed Skyrim has to offer.

 

Just the thought of Skyrim makes me feel warm inside. I've played and 'enjoyed' FO4- but the idea of Fallout 4 leaves me COLD, so poorly executed was Beth's latest.

 

Skyrim is a living breathing world, and the mods delight in adding to this. Contrast with FO4 mods (and yes, I know FO4 modders have had but a fraction of the time so far). The best FO4 mods handle low-hanging-fruit concepts as they try despreately to fix up the busted vanilla game, or cheaply add a bit of 'colour'. Better than nothing (who'd play without the dialogue mod?), but compared to the mod world of Skyrim, a bad joke.

 

When the special-ed version of Skyrim appears, it can get only worse for Fallout 4. To bring FO4 to the base level of Vanilla Skyrim, modders would have to work in co-ordination to redo the entire FO4 landscape and faction system- which is certainly doable in theory, but could NEVER happen in reality because of the ambition of the project, and needed legion of modders working in lock-step.

 

So all FO4 modders can do is poke at the dead world (and I don't mean 'dead' cos of the apocalypse either). It is clear that even Beth didn't have the first idea how to breath life into this franchise- and finds the Elder Scrolls, Doom, Dishonored, Prey franchises FAR more appealing from a world-building POV.

 

Fallout is perceived as a BAD CLICHE by Beth, and it shows. The original design work of Fallout 3 was the high water mark- look how little NEW conceptual ideas were added to Fallout 4.

 

I fear if I go back to Skyrim, I won't be coming back - and yet I so want to squeeze more life out of FO4. It's just that it feels like flogging a dead horse. And when special-ed Skyrim arrives, with console modding for the first time, I think the deep modders who desire to improve the world experience will all be back working on Skyrim.

 

PS Vivid Weathers for Skyrim- drool, drool, DROOL- here's hoping the near released 1.4 version of THE weather mod for FO4 will deliver the goods.

 

1st,

Despite what anyone's "subjective opinions are" Fallout 4 is a resounding success period, that's the end of a major discussion point right there.....Cause despite how anyone "feels" about anything in that title....Bottom line is Dollars. Done end of it.

 

2nd.

About Remaster...Yes work took place. That's the end of it or should I bring up a bunch of other stuff...."Work" man that's always subjective isn't it even if it took a whole lot of a mans time in hours ranging from hundreds to thoasands perhaps tens of thousands of man hours someone just comes along and says...Man that's easy or man that was "play" but basically someone comes along and says no work took place.

If that doesn't make your knee jerk than there is a serious underlying problem with a disconnect of said individual and what it means to use a lot of ones time on something.

That attitude appears to be altogether too "common" in regards to anything gaming or even arts related.

 

3rd

You bring up stuff about your "opinion" on games....Doesn't matter.

The facts are........Mod Authors have preferred TES....How do we know that they prefer TES...More mods and more advanced systems and tools are available for TES. That's why we know its preferred.

 

4rth

You bring up "famous mod authors"

Famous cause of what?

Oh that's right youtube and youtube personalties but what did said "famous people" actually provide?

Uh it wasn't MCM menu, it wasn't FOREs, and I can go on too create a fairly extensive list of mods that you can only get with Skyrim.

So basically you have pointed out that "glory hounds" will come back to Skyrim....Nothing new to see here folks.

 

5th

Uh more games that I don't see as actually relevant seeing as these are not nearly as successful as titles you mentioned...Also point about how they are concentrating on New IP's well....Why not concentrate on other IP's? Anyway its like this....Disconnect in that the OP doesn't realize that those IP's are all made by other teams in the Beth Publisher group....Fallout and TES are under the team Bethsada Games Studio's...BSG is not Bethsada...Bethsada is a publisher not Bethsada Games Studios...BSG is run by Todd Howard ok got it good.

The publisher is run by Pete Hines...Got it? Good.

EDIT

If anything someone with more time will address this in detail....(Time spent being work By the way)

They will point out that TES and Fallout are far more successful.

Point out that overall these titles are suffering from lack of Story Development.

Point out that the Mod Scene is quickly becoming the driving sales point for these titles.

Point out that the other IP's are new groups, so new blood, and so basically by that very nature potentially offer better story than the primary flag titles under Bethsada Publisher Group.

 

6th....

Some sort of crystal ball prediction on Skyrim Remastered being awesome or something...

 

We will see.........

 

Likely it will be without

MCM

FORES

Stuff....You know all that stuff I expect from Skyrim 2011...That stuff....Stuff common people on consoles cant comprehend stuff so why waste my brain thinking about it to convey it here stuff.

 

Also since Bethsada Games Studio's....That's the group I believe is saddled with pushing mods....Well since they cant be bothered to straighten out how we Mod Authors (people that create stuff that the paying masses want) are treated well....Why should any of us make said stuff available on Remaster when we can already use said stuff on Normal versions?

 

Fame?

 

We are not getting fame....We are getting stomped on, abused, our stuff stolen so some other guy can get free games off our stuff.

 

 

Edit,

Not being insulting or anything...

Just feel that this is valid.

Edited June 20, 2016 by gamefever

[yzerman19]

I would rather play a modded game than the original vanilla bs. Of course, I am one of those evil PC MASTER RACE types.