On console mods, theft and Bethesda.net

[HermanMODSTER]

In response to post #39736700. #39738725, #39740470, #39742615, #39755045 are all replies on the same post.

xNiNELiVES wrote: Why not close off the community from any new members and begin monitoring who reuploads mods (tracking downloading history maybe)? We could start accepting new members from a referral system (only members part of Nexus for certain period of time and free of infractions could invite).

Sorry if it is a terrible idea. I thought that if nobody can download these mods off of Nexus freely, no bot or troll could reupload them.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Building walls sumons more Giants. And flying Mamoths.

HamerNineSeven wrote: "We are gonna build a wall, and console users are gonna pay for it!"

HermanMODSTER wrote: I mean: On my planet in my reality building walls does that. Maybe it works in all other "universes"

xNiNELiVES wrote: I mean if we're talking border patrol, yes people can get by. Attaining an account digitally? Unless you're a hacker I don't think it's as easy as physically walking across a border.

Borderpatrol is useless again if Beth doesn´t put down mods taken from Nexus off Bethnet. As useless as putting them down after 5 weeks of reporting. Incase your " a new broom sweeps better" fantasies shouldn´t prevent people part of nexus for long time from stealing mods. Edited June 26, 2016 by HermanMODSTER

[Qsandas]

I never understood the problem of mod theft. I don't mean I don't know why it's wrong, but rather why it becomes a problem. I understand the overly-excited kids wanting their favorite mods on console so they re-upload it. The folly of youth, right? But people taking mods and trying to tell others that they had some involvement in its development just baffles me. What do they gain? It just seems so pointless. What drives them to do it? There's not even a 15 minutes of fame involved. Nor is there any form of achievement. Such a waste of time and effort that could have been put into something else like playing the game it was meant for, or, I don't know, use it to learn more about modding yourself and maybe make something of your own to upload. I just don't get it.

[memelordmarsden]

In response to post #39736700. #39738725, #39740470, #39742615, #39755045, #39813200 are all replies on the same post.

xNiNELiVES wrote: Why not close off the community from any new members and begin monitoring who reuploads mods (tracking downloading history maybe)? We could start accepting new members from a referral system (only members part of Nexus for certain period of time and free of infractions could invite).

Sorry if it is a terrible idea. I thought that if nobody can download these mods off of Nexus freely, no bot or troll could reupload them.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Building walls sumons more Giants. And flying Mamoths.

HamerNineSeven wrote: "We are gonna build a wall, and console users are gonna pay for it!"

HermanMODSTER wrote: I mean: On my planet in my reality building walls does that. Maybe it works in all other "universes"

xNiNELiVES wrote: I mean if we're talking border patrol, yes people can get by. Attaining an account digitally? Unless you're a hacker I don't think it's as easy as physically walking across a border.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Borderpatrol is useless again if Beth doesn´t put down mods taken from Nexus off Bethnet. As useless as putting them down after 5 weeks of reporting. Incase your " a new broom sweeps better" fantasies shouldn´t prevent people part of nexus for long time from stealing mods.

XD Love it!

[memelordmarsden]

In response to post #39736700. #39738725, #39740470, #39742615, #39755045, #39813200, #39814090 are all replies on the same post.

xNiNELiVES wrote: Why not close off the community from any new members and begin monitoring who reuploads mods (tracking downloading history maybe)? We could start accepting new members from a referral system (only members part of Nexus for certain period of time and free of infractions could invite).

Sorry if it is a terrible idea. I thought that if nobody can download these mods off of Nexus freely, no bot or troll could reupload them.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Building walls sumons more Giants. And flying Mamoths.

HamerNineSeven wrote: "We are gonna build a wall, and console users are gonna pay for it!"

HermanMODSTER wrote: I mean: On my planet in my reality building walls does that. Maybe it works in all other "universes"

xNiNELiVES wrote: I mean if we're talking border patrol, yes people can get by. Attaining an account digitally? Unless you're a hacker I don't think it's as easy as physically walking across a border.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Borderpatrol is useless again if Beth doesn´t put down mods taken from Nexus off Bethnet. As useless as putting them down after 5 weeks of reporting. Incase your " a new broom sweeps better" fantasies shouldn´t prevent people part of nexus for long time from stealing mods.

memelordmarsden wrote: XD Love it!

Build a wall.... XD

[Bellumaro]

Mod theft is wrong, but cant we do something about it? Not every mods work for consoles, so is there a way to make them even more unusable to consoles users if the author doesn't want its mods on Beth.net?

 

Im a former console user (haven't bought one for almost 15 years), im into "PC master race" for 20 years now. I've never been involved into a console vs PC war, i just don't care about console anymore, no waste of time hating (a real PC master race member would simply shrug at console users arguments and go back playing, knowing "the gap" is a reality, not worth fighting since specs for both systems are speaking for themselves). Im ok with both PC and console, i just wont waste money on weak "plug and play" machines. No disrespect (showing by example) or hate, just a status quo (from my point of view, this whole "war" has been started by console users, since PC users got the "biggest part of the stick" and dont need to argue about it, but thats my opinion). You can be a "PC Master Douche" or simply a PC gamer a.k.a. PC master race. I agree with Dark One, dont be a douche about console users, it makes us look bad.

 

It is fine that console users can get their hands on mods finally, but without permission, big no no. I hope the PC community will find a way to prevent this at its roots, down into the coding of the mods themselves. If an author doesnt want his work stolen and uploaded to beth.net, cant they be made in order console would be incompatible with it? I truly hope it can be done. I only fear great modders will stop uploading on Nexus just because Beth.net... and kids...

[cleothemuse]

In response to post #39813375.

Qsandas wrote: I never understood the problem of mod theft. I don't mean I don't know why it's wrong, but rather why it becomes a problem. I understand the overly-excited kids wanting their favorite mods on console so they re-upload it. The folly of youth, right? But people taking mods and trying to tell others that they had some involvement in its development just baffles me. What do they gain? It just seems so pointless. What drives them to do it? There's not even a 15 minutes of fame involved. Nor is there any form of achievement. Such a waste of time and effort that could have been put into something else like playing the game it was meant for, or, I don't know, use it to learn more about modding yourself and maybe make something of your own to upload. I just don't get it.

These same questions get asked every time another plagiarism scandal hits various fandom art/fic/vid communities. "Yes, this fanart is awesome, but WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO PRETEND IT'S YOURS?!!!!"

[misanthropic79]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705, #39721135, #39721215, #39721375, #39721415, #39727750, #39730905, #39732585, #39732880, #39742935, #39743195, #39743250 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

HermanMODSTER wrote: :)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all. :):):)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.
:):):)
SPAM IN U R F.A.C.E

jeyjs wrote: they can be relaced, also all we need is someone to let sony, microsoft and the console mod downloaders know that the script extender is being implanted into mods on purpouse by cyber bullys, as a revenge tactic to hack sonys and xboxes game system and cause damage to gamefiles. sony will then use thire lawyers to bann the script extender. it will cause fear and fans of console will realize that they can call thire console manufacture. then the moding community can be destroyed like birchconnor834 and the other pc only authers wants it to be.
console supporters and console moders would live on and we can tell the tale of how biggoted the pc master group was and how you were a part of the hate.

birchconnor834 wrote: I want to say I didn't read any of your comments because I know how butt hurt all you pc players and mod authors are and I know you premium douchebags just love to hate on anything that is anti-pc or anti-nexus because your their little bitches and I can tell that everyone is so invested in posting on the forms and paying for a useless membership instead of living in the real world, buy hey at least you have porn and the nexus to jerk you off

lmccloud wrote: Birchconnor834,

I am a writer. If I put my work out there, and someone decides to use any aspect of it without giving me credit, I have grounds to sue. It's MY creation. I may have used MS Office, but it's MY work. MS doesn't own any of it. (Lesson here: Plagiarism is illegal)

In essence--what was said in the above article, if you had bothered to read it--is that despite it being free, despite the base product belonging to Bethesda, that little bit of software/mod belongs to the author. NOT Bethesda. Your statement about "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it" is inaccurate and ignorant. (Lesson here: Theft is still theft even if it's free)

Also, punctuation is your friend. Learn to use it.

Sincerely,

A faithful mod loving user who is ever so greatful for other people sharing their creativity :)

filechick wrote: I don't think I have ever seen a better example of someone making an ass out of themselves then your comments to this article (of which you clearly didn't read).

HermanMODSTER wrote: you finished with the words :
much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it
next reply is your their little bitches blablabla
Let it be. We know people like you. You are easy to determine for their posts "cry" so loud even a deaf person could hear it.
Cooling fires placed in forums is much more work than try to set them. So again please let it be.

HermanMODSTER wrote: would be very happy this gets removed it is so insulting

HermanMODSTER wrote: gave kudos for caling everyone "their bitches"

"As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it."

That would be a sad day indeed, my heart sank just reading it! Hopefully it doesn't come to that as most of us here at the Nexus are good citizens and it'd be a shame for the majority to be punished for the sins of a few. It's a knee jerk solution to a problem that happens far too often as it is.

I totally understand their frustration but there's gotta be a more reasoned solution to this, surely?

[ThadiusFaran]

I'm gone for a week and apparently the community here has lost it?

 

I am so confused.

[cflare]

In response to post #39770440.

cflare wrote: Mod authors can do what they want, sure, but I wish that the highlighted mods weren't blocked.

That makes no damn sense.

Mods that are blocked should be unlisted.

Win-win for everyone.

Mod authors could keep their files uploaded for private use, and the people browsing the site don't have the derp moment of, "oh, cute, it is a community favorite and I can't even see the screenshots."

Ok, this is going to be ok if only a few modders do it.

But if it starts spreading to be a consistent thing, where one of the five highlighted mods is blocked, then it's going to kill f4 nexus.

Can we please take mods off highlight if they're going to be blocked?

[marc5477]

It is my understand that mods rights are owned by Bethesda, not the author, as long as the mod does not break any sort of copyright law. Are you sure you aren't getting upset over nothing?

 

Since you dont own your own mod, what difference does it make to you, if someone does something to it without permission? You will never make money from it and you will not get famous from it (any more, since its so easy to do compared to the old days). So whats the point?

 

If you want to make money from game assets then by all means sell the assets and there are many ways to do that but dont put them into someone elses game without reading the contract for doing so. If someone took one of my mods I wouldnt care one bit as long as they are not making money from my work and they are not getting famous from it. If either of those ever happen, you always have a legal recourse. The only thing I ever asked is to just give me credit somewhere in the doc that I at least exist lol.

 

Have the rules changed since Morrowind?

Edited June 26, 2016 by marc5477