Nexus Mod Manager focus group needs more help

[HadToRegister]

In response to post #40015630. #40058265, #40085015, #40091830, #40102215, #40122155, #40132340, #40188950, #40205240, #40214800, #40222720, #40234620, #40260320, #40262620, #40289105, #40449885, #40526470, #40736140, #40772050, #40888545 are all replies on the same post.

stebo104 wrote: DO NOT USE NMM use instead MO (Mod Organizer). NMM puts all mods into your game data folders and over/re writes several files, which over time if you change mods alot will ruin your base game files (making game unplayable and having your redownload whole game). Now MO on the other hand puts all mods into a mod only folder within MO. When you run the game, it creates a virtual folder to run games (ie skyrim, fo4, fonv, ect) with the mods you have active. Not to mention when it comes to same files from different mods rewriting over and over again, MO uses a priority list (such as a texture file from mods A B C and D, if in order of A-1, C-2, B-3, D-4 it will use the texture file from mod D as 4 is higher then 1.) Now MO also has some advanced features, but you'd have to go to youtude and watch some videos on that.

djtalks wrote: Yeah, your full of crap... Clearly havnt used NMM of late. To be quite honest I liked it better when there wasn't a virtual folder. You MO fan boys kill me. Texture mods are just overwrites..
You basicly added yourself a whole new load order to fight with and think its cool.

If you don't want to use it don't.. But don't show up here acting like something is better that dose the same thing. Like I have said many times and will say again a lot of mods have issue being installed with MO I have 2 I made that I just click and hit yes to all in NMM and it works. MO users still have issues installing them.

HadToRegister wrote: Yea, and you can't even download and install MO.
It says "Install Failed" because of some "Connection Error"
Pretty hard to try a Mod Organizer you can't even install

PirateZ86 wrote: If you want to just hate MO for everything, go ahead but if you are want to really get a solution, they have a troubleshooting page on Github. They help people fix issues.

@djtalks : Having my data folder clean and choosing which mods overwrites which even after installing just by dragging it above or below, creating profiles is really good. I don't have a single mod issue with MO, please specify a few. I have nothing against NMM as it's good but MO is far superior atleast for me. A single person creating a tool for everyone without expecting anything in return must be appreciated not insulted because of your petty fanboy feelings. If you are paid to do that I'm happy for you since it atleast benefits you rather than just emotional talks.

TheLionHearted27 wrote: The reality is that people with very limited experience or knowledge of mods, can use NMM as a starting platform to jump into the modding scene. NMM is easy to install and to use. MO takes some knowledge and practice, its not outright easy to use, for lets say, a 10-12 year old kid who just wants to add a few mods to his/her game. Try explaining everything you just said to someone who has never modded a day in their life, they'll give you the "wtf" face...lol! NMM for a complete beginner is a simple tool to get started with, and panders to a wider range of users on both sides of the spectrum, that being authors and casual gamers. Smart business savvy people understand that to get more customers/clients, you need to expand your horizons and cater to all types of users. MO isn't as widely used, because it has a harder learning curve. It's great for everything it can do, and in your opinion does some things better than NMM, but this is circumstantial, due to your preference of features.

idplayer wrote: since oblivion i tested all mod organizers. i'm sure that experienced users currently would never go back to another mod organizing tool if the they understand the principles of mod organizer and are able to handle this platform properly.
some need the experience of 10 new full installations, some other need 100 or more to realize that mo is a gem. this is the only tool you never need to do a full installation again and to have full control over all mods.
nmm is absolutely ok for beginners and if using only a few known and hopefully bugfree mods. using more will surely end up in a full installation simply because the first bigger dirty mod will physically screw up all the other installed mods without a chance to reverse the mess. i fully agree with lionhearted and i recommend all who are happy with nmm to use it until they are tired doing full installations with a ton of mods

HadToRegister wrote: @PirateZ86

The only "Fanboys" here who are insulting anybody, is YOU and stebo14, as this entire thread is about a NEXUS MOD MANAGER FOCUS GROUP, NOT about Mod Organizer.

It was an insult to the NMM team, and an "emotional talk" on your, and stebo14's part to tell everybody NOT to use NMM in an NMM Focus Group thread.
Don't hijack the thread with advertisements about MO, I doubt people are going to github and telling people to use NMM. (And if they are, then shame on them too)

kkthebeast wrote: Yeah unfortunately for me I had nothing but trouble with MO, Instant CTD when trying to run FO4, LOOT instantly CTD, And F4SE would not load either. I like the interface though, Being able to see your Plugins list and installed Mods at the same time was nice.

Maybe we could see some of the interface tweaks in NMM. like being able to pin the Plugins and Mods to the same windows. That would be handy for manually sorting the load order. (I Can't really use loot, With VIS there are too many "unregistered" patches that LOOT doesn't know what to do with.)

idplayer wrote: @kkthebeast - your inability to handle mo successfully doesn't change the fact that the virtual file system and the pysical separation of the mods is superior in long term use. your described problems are as far as you described not mo related.
the physical separation of mod files should become a key feature in nmm. if so it would be a competitive tool for the use in a complex setup environment. in my opinion this is a key feature for long term stability and the prerequisite for 100% save rollback in case of a faulty mod or installtion error without the necessity to reinstall all the previously installed and affected mods. i'm sure many nmm users would be happy to see this feature included in nmm

underskyzx wrote: MO if you serious about modding, NMM if you just want to get things working.

rblood01 wrote: Disclaimer: I am a user that uses both Mod Organizer (I) and NMM (for Fallout 4)

Mod Organizer is great for a few games. It does have a higher learning curve. Even Gopher states that in one of his MO videos. Most starting users don't have the understanding of this and using MO is more difficult. NMM can be used for ALL GAMES hosted here or at least all I have seen. Providing one standard interface is very useful to keep your computer slim as opposed to having 2 or more managers.

Now for the statement that it will screw up your entire install and you have to download it again. That just isn't true. You just have to verify cache and Steam will update those files that are messed up. Often times only a minute or so on any decent internet connection. I never HAD TO download the entire game again or even uninstall and restore from backup the entire game.

True that MO has some useful tools like the "Hide" function and the conflicts easily found. However the future versions of NMM will have the Profile sharing (I believe that is the name) where entire profiles can be shared across the web and hosted here etc Ones setup can be easily setup by even the most novice user with a few clicks. This is a tools that as far as I can tell can't be added to MO at least not currently. Imagine someone like Gopher or GP creating a profile and uploading it for you to download. Create a video on the new profile to let you see what it is all about. Those experienced in creating and resolving conflicts and issues can create beautiful complex and unique game mod profiles far more complex than most basic users and beginners can have. Ease of installation also means that you can try one or two or three etc and always return to the your favorites be it yours or someone elses with a few click (because you can also backup your own profiles, how often has someone had to recreate a profile after some time because of a computer issue? )

I use both and view mod mangers as tools in my box to use where most appropriate for my current needs. Nothing more. One isn't better than the other. The only main job of a mod manager is to install and remove the mods selected properly. NMM does this now quite well unlike some versions in its past and it is getting better.

HadToRegister wrote: The only use I see for the shareable profiles is modders having their profiles posted, for their MOD that also includes the extra REQUIRED Mods from other mod makers in order for their mod to work.

Me, I have no use for that, what I DO have use for is not having to CTRL+ALT+DEL 5 times in a row because NMM decides it can't install/uninstall a mod.

As far as MO, who cares?
Again, this is an NMM TOPIC and THREAD.

Seriously, can we stop this sickening trend of Tribal Mentality?
It's bad enough Bethesda brought it to the foreground with the Console vs PC stuff, and now we're getting MO vs NMM in here.

Use what you want, and shut up about it

soulgamers wrote: HI HadToRegister
:armscrossed:
HeHe! your Right. well said. :woot:

:laugh: :wacko: :laugh::laugh:
:thumbsup:

PirateZ86 wrote: :wallbash: People saying others not to do while doing the same, real mature.

idplayer wrote: this is an nmm topic and hijacking is not ok for sure. but it is advisable and not forbidden to have also a look at and to mention features which seem to be essential or very useful and are already covered by other organizer tools. the success of nmm depends on the ability to compete. and what i see is that key features are still missing or seem to have lower priority than other (imho less important) features.

scorpion70707 wrote: It's kind of douchy to come to a testing thread for NMM and advertise another application.

Divah_nordique wrote: @stebo 104
you exaggerate heavily you are very close to insult the team who works every day to makes updates very regularly and applies to minimize bugs
nothing is perfect but for me (I tried other mod organizer perhaps.. all)
NMM is the best.
I use NMM (with LOOT (ex BOSS) &Tes5edit if necessary) and since several years for several games and I never encounter a problem described in your comment,
overwright or not.. You have a brain so use mods cleaner NMM etc. carefully and it will happen nothing untoward.

shakahell wrote: Simple. NMM integrated with Nexus Mods pretty much beats the pants down versus MO despite having some neat features, it just doesn't matter when I can open up NMM and I can instantly see if there's any outdated mods. Sure NMM could use some of MO's features, and I'm sure it eventually will. Virtual folders is not anything special and I'm sure the NMM team could do something similar very easily.

The backup features is already a step up in the right direction.

PirateZ86 wrote: Kids these days... :facepalm:

Suilebhain wrote: MO buggered my Skyrim install so I quit using it and went back to NMM.

PirateZ86
Kids these days... :facepalm:

I know, coming into a thread about NMM, and telling everybody to use MO instead, and talking about how they think MO is better than NMM, when this thread isn't even about that.

Yea, kids these days...

[PirateZ86]

In response to post #40015630. #40058265, #40085015, #40091830, #40102215, #40122155, #40132340, #40188950, #40205240, #40214800, #40222720, #40234620, #40260320, #40262620, #40289105, #40449885, #40526470, #40736140, #40772050, #40888545, #40927285 are all replies on the same post.

stebo104 wrote: DO NOT USE NMM use instead MO (Mod Organizer). NMM puts all mods into your game data folders and over/re writes several files, which over time if you change mods alot will ruin your base game files (making game unplayable and having your redownload whole game). Now MO on the other hand puts all mods into a mod only folder within MO. When you run the game, it creates a virtual folder to run games (ie skyrim, fo4, fonv, ect) with the mods you have active. Not to mention when it comes to same files from different mods rewriting over and over again, MO uses a priority list (such as a texture file from mods A B C and D, if in order of A-1, C-2, B-3, D-4 it will use the texture file from mod D as 4 is higher then 1.) Now MO also has some advanced features, but you'd have to go to youtude and watch some videos on that.

djtalks wrote: Yeah, your full of crap... Clearly havnt used NMM of late. To be quite honest I liked it better when there wasn't a virtual folder. You MO fan boys kill me. Texture mods are just overwrites..
You basicly added yourself a whole new load order to fight with and think its cool.

If you don't want to use it don't.. But don't show up here acting like something is better that dose the same thing. Like I have said many times and will say again a lot of mods have issue being installed with MO I have 2 I made that I just click and hit yes to all in NMM and it works. MO users still have issues installing them.

HadToRegister wrote: Yea, and you can't even download and install MO.
It says "Install Failed" because of some "Connection Error"
Pretty hard to try a Mod Organizer you can't even install

PirateZ86 wrote: If you want to just hate MO for everything, go ahead but if you are want to really get a solution, they have a troubleshooting page on Github. They help people fix issues.

@djtalks : Having my data folder clean and choosing which mods overwrites which even after installing just by dragging it above or below, creating profiles is really good. I don't have a single mod issue with MO, please specify a few. I have nothing against NMM as it's good but MO is far superior atleast for me. A single person creating a tool for everyone without expecting anything in return must be appreciated not insulted because of your petty fanboy feelings. If you are paid to do that I'm happy for you since it atleast benefits you rather than just emotional talks.

TheLionHearted27 wrote: The reality is that people with very limited experience or knowledge of mods, can use NMM as a starting platform to jump into the modding scene. NMM is easy to install and to use. MO takes some knowledge and practice, its not outright easy to use, for lets say, a 10-12 year old kid who just wants to add a few mods to his/her game. Try explaining everything you just said to someone who has never modded a day in their life, they'll give you the "wtf" face...lol! NMM for a complete beginner is a simple tool to get started with, and panders to a wider range of users on both sides of the spectrum, that being authors and casual gamers. Smart business savvy people understand that to get more customers/clients, you need to expand your horizons and cater to all types of users. MO isn't as widely used, because it has a harder learning curve. It's great for everything it can do, and in your opinion does some things better than NMM, but this is circumstantial, due to your preference of features.

idplayer wrote: since oblivion i tested all mod organizers. i'm sure that experienced users currently would never go back to another mod organizing tool if the they understand the principles of mod organizer and are able to handle this platform properly.
some need the experience of 10 new full installations, some other need 100 or more to realize that mo is a gem. this is the only tool you never need to do a full installation again and to have full control over all mods.
nmm is absolutely ok for beginners and if using only a few known and hopefully bugfree mods. using more will surely end up in a full installation simply because the first bigger dirty mod will physically screw up all the other installed mods without a chance to reverse the mess. i fully agree with lionhearted and i recommend all who are happy with nmm to use it until they are tired doing full installations with a ton of mods

HadToRegister wrote: @PirateZ86

The only "Fanboys" here who are insulting anybody, is YOU and stebo14, as this entire thread is about a NEXUS MOD MANAGER FOCUS GROUP, NOT about Mod Organizer.

It was an insult to the NMM team, and an "emotional talk" on your, and stebo14's part to tell everybody NOT to use NMM in an NMM Focus Group thread.
Don't hijack the thread with advertisements about MO, I doubt people are going to github and telling people to use NMM. (And if they are, then shame on them too)

kkthebeast wrote: Yeah unfortunately for me I had nothing but trouble with MO, Instant CTD when trying to run FO4, LOOT instantly CTD, And F4SE would not load either. I like the interface though, Being able to see your Plugins list and installed Mods at the same time was nice.

Maybe we could see some of the interface tweaks in NMM. like being able to pin the Plugins and Mods to the same windows. That would be handy for manually sorting the load order. (I Can't really use loot, With VIS there are too many "unregistered" patches that LOOT doesn't know what to do with.)

idplayer wrote: @kkthebeast - your inability to handle mo successfully doesn't change the fact that the virtual file system and the pysical separation of the mods is superior in long term use. your described problems are as far as you described not mo related.
the physical separation of mod files should become a key feature in nmm. if so it would be a competitive tool for the use in a complex setup environment. in my opinion this is a key feature for long term stability and the prerequisite for 100% save rollback in case of a faulty mod or installtion error without the necessity to reinstall all the previously installed and affected mods. i'm sure many nmm users would be happy to see this feature included in nmm

underskyzx wrote: MO if you serious about modding, NMM if you just want to get things working.

rblood01 wrote: Disclaimer: I am a user that uses both Mod Organizer (I) and NMM (for Fallout 4)

Mod Organizer is great for a few games. It does have a higher learning curve. Even Gopher states that in one of his MO videos. Most starting users don't have the understanding of this and using MO is more difficult. NMM can be used for ALL GAMES hosted here or at least all I have seen. Providing one standard interface is very useful to keep your computer slim as opposed to having 2 or more managers.

Now for the statement that it will screw up your entire install and you have to download it again. That just isn't true. You just have to verify cache and Steam will update those files that are messed up. Often times only a minute or so on any decent internet connection. I never HAD TO download the entire game again or even uninstall and restore from backup the entire game.

True that MO has some useful tools like the "Hide" function and the conflicts easily found. However the future versions of NMM will have the Profile sharing (I believe that is the name) where entire profiles can be shared across the web and hosted here etc Ones setup can be easily setup by even the most novice user with a few clicks. This is a tools that as far as I can tell can't be added to MO at least not currently. Imagine someone like Gopher or GP creating a profile and uploading it for you to download. Create a video on the new profile to let you see what it is all about. Those experienced in creating and resolving conflicts and issues can create beautiful complex and unique game mod profiles far more complex than most basic users and beginners can have. Ease of installation also means that you can try one or two or three etc and always return to the your favorites be it yours or someone elses with a few click (because you can also backup your own profiles, how often has someone had to recreate a profile after some time because of a computer issue? )

I use both and view mod mangers as tools in my box to use where most appropriate for my current needs. Nothing more. One isn't better than the other. The only main job of a mod manager is to install and remove the mods selected properly. NMM does this now quite well unlike some versions in its past and it is getting better.

HadToRegister wrote: The only use I see for the shareable profiles is modders having their profiles posted, for their MOD that also includes the extra REQUIRED Mods from other mod makers in order for their mod to work.

Me, I have no use for that, what I DO have use for is not having to CTRL+ALT+DEL 5 times in a row because NMM decides it can't install/uninstall a mod.

As far as MO, who cares?
Again, this is an NMM TOPIC and THREAD.

Seriously, can we stop this sickening trend of Tribal Mentality?
It's bad enough Bethesda brought it to the foreground with the Console vs PC stuff, and now we're getting MO vs NMM in here.

Use what you want, and shut up about it

soulgamers wrote: HI HadToRegister
:armscrossed:
HeHe! your Right. well said. :woot:

:laugh: :wacko: :laugh::laugh:
:thumbsup:

PirateZ86 wrote: :wallbash: People saying others not to do while doing the same, real mature.

idplayer wrote: this is an nmm topic and hijacking is not ok for sure. but it is advisable and not forbidden to have also a look at and to mention features which seem to be essential or very useful and are already covered by other organizer tools. the success of nmm depends on the ability to compete. and what i see is that key features are still missing or seem to have lower priority than other (imho less important) features.

scorpion70707 wrote: It's kind of douchy to come to a testing thread for NMM and advertise another application.

Divah_nordique wrote: @stebo 104
you exaggerate heavily you are very close to insult the team who works every day to makes updates very regularly and applies to minimize bugs
nothing is perfect but for me (I tried other mod organizer perhaps.. all)
NMM is the best.
I use NMM (with LOOT (ex BOSS) &Tes5edit if necessary) and since several years for several games and I never encounter a problem described in your comment,
overwright or not.. You have a brain so use mods cleaner NMM etc. carefully and it will happen nothing untoward.

shakahell wrote: Simple. NMM integrated with Nexus Mods pretty much beats the pants down versus MO despite having some neat features, it just doesn't matter when I can open up NMM and I can instantly see if there's any outdated mods. Sure NMM could use some of MO's features, and I'm sure it eventually will. Virtual folders is not anything special and I'm sure the NMM team could do something similar very easily.

The backup features is already a step up in the right direction.

PirateZ86 wrote: Kids these days... :facepalm:

Suilebhain wrote: MO buggered my Skyrim install so I quit using it and went back to NMM.

HadToRegister wrote:

PirateZ86
Kids these days... :facepalm:

I know, coming into a thread about NMM, and telling everybody to use MO instead, and talking about how they think MO is better than NMM, when this thread isn't even about that.

Yea, kids these days...

HadToRegister
I know, coming into a thread about NMM, and telling everybody to use MO instead

Hey Dumbo, where did I tell everyone to use MO, point me to the specific line. If you are going to answer vaguely like "coming into NMM thread...", I'm going to ignore your post, as you don't seem to have the brain to even install a simple software.

[Numbnumb]

At 74 it has been a very long time doing any coding. With that said if there is anything I can do or contribute I would be happy to assist, even some testing so long as I know the parameters and what to report.

With that said, I would like give some information that might help in the latest problems with NMM.

I found that NMM still works find with Skyrim, hitch free. However, the same version of NMM does not work with Fallout 4. It just refuses to load mods, I have a running total of 22(and going up every day) mods that will not enable in Fallout 4. It is always the same, I am not logged in to Nexus (even though I am) or the following statement: Cannot reach the Nexus logon server. Either your firewall is blocking NMM or the login server is down.

I have checked all the items in my firewall, even going though McAfee support to identify the error in the firewall. However McAfee could find no item or error that is blocking.

I hope this helps, I have been very frustrated over the last two weeks at the inability to install any mod.

I was going to upgrade my member status to Premium but that must wait until these issues are resolved so that I can enjoy the benefits of that level.

Edited August 8, 2016 by Numbnumb

[Numbnumb]

I am sure it is most frustrating to your group as it is to me a user of NMM. For the last three weeks I cannot use NMM to install anything. I have looked over my firewall settings, my anti-virus software and even tried to make sure all my settings on the website were correct. Alas! To nil effect. I can download the mods but cannot install them because it continues to state, "Cannot reach the Nexux login server, either your firewall is blocking NMM or the login server is down.

Funny thing, tho, NMM for Skyrim works just fine. I would be more than happy to continue digging to see if I can find the problem. I just don't know where to look anymore.

Any and all help would be most appreciated.

[triptherift]

In response to post #40805600.

jim_uk wrote: A lite version would be nice for us stubborn buggers that still manually install, just enabling, disabling and load order, none of the other stuff.

They already have one. Version 0.56.1. Been using it for a long time and it works perfect for me, but then the stuff you list is all I need.

[Prymeedyct]

I have an issue. I cannot get the mods that I create, using the creation kit, to show up in the nmm. I have watched several tuts showing that as soon as the mod is saved in the ck, it shows up on the list of plugins in the nmm. Is this an issue with the nmm or in how I am creating the mods in the ck?

[JimboUK]

In response to post #40805600. #41225185 is also a reply to the same post.

jim_uk wrote: A lite version would be nice for us stubborn buggers that still manually install, just enabling, disabling and load order, none of the other stuff.

triptherift wrote: They already have one. Version 0.56.1. Been using it for a long time and it works perfect for me, but then the stuff you list is all I need.

That won't support new games.

[wizardmirth]

As of the latest release at the time of this comment I have been using NMM exclusively for FO4 with 57 active plugins. More in the rafters waiting to be activated when/if I'm ready for them. So far I have had not a single issue with the program and have enjoyed its ease of use.

[lewisroantree]

Not sure if anyone else is having this problem, but since August 10th, the images for the mods loaded up in the last two days are all blank.

[dreimer84]

I'd be happy to join the focus group if you're still looking for more people. I did drop you an email but haven't heard back.