Boycott Beth.net

[Mitigate]

Why are you uploading your mods to Beth.net? The purpose of that site is to take control of the modding scene away from the Nexus. To legally own your hard work and make a profit from it while not giving you a cent. You have to ask yourselves, modding has been fine on the Nexus for years. It didn't need any 'help' or change. Beth.net doesn't need to exist. So why have they gone to the trouble? Why would you trust them after what they did with the paid modding fiasco? They'll surely try again, mark my words.
So boycott Bethesda.net! If none of you play ball, they have no game! Stop handing over your power. I never understood why people do this. If it isn't broken then it doesn't need fixing, yet when someone tries to change things, everyone jumps on board even though it doesn't have their best interests at heart. It's like you all have the mentality that this sort of thing is inevitable. It's only inevitable because you let it be!

[JebuNagazi]

Well considering how badly bethesda has handled there MOD Site i hardly think they will take any control over the modding scene ever...

 

Nexus will always be the superiour choice for mods to PC Users.

 

With that in mind Beth.net are the only choice (sadly) for the consoleusers.

Just hope Bethesda get there act together to fix there site with proper moderation & theft control so it wont lead to more great Modders to leave the Moddingscene :sad: !

 

Guess we all have to hold our breath how its going to be when the Remastered Skyrim modding comes online there.

That will be a defining moment.

Edited July 15, 2016 by JebuNagazi

[Arthmoor]

Why are you uploading your mods to Beth.net?

Because I choose to.

 

The purpose of that site is to take control of the modding scene away from the Nexus.

LOL. No. You've been listening to too many conspiracy theories.

 

Beth.net doesn't need to exist.

I think it does because Valve demonstrated unequivocally they can't be trusted with handling mods for Bethesda games.

 

So why have they gone to the trouble? Why would you trust them after what they did with the paid modding fiasco? They'll surely try again, mark my words.

Maybe because most of us aren't worried about it if they do?

 

People were saying all of the same things about Steam Workshop for Skyrim, and for the most part none of the horrible predictions came true. They didn't bring Nexus down and they didn't wipe out the community by force like everyone said they would. Not even when paid mods were a thing. The one thing Valve did prove was the assertions they couldn't be trusted to host the content and run the show. They're way too flighty a company for that. Bethesda had to find that out the hard way and Bethesda.net is the end result of that. When someone usurps control of a good idea out from under you, you defend against that possibility in the future by simply taking control yourself. Mark MY words - Gabe will rue the day he let his ego get the best of him :tongue:

[Reneer]

What Arthmoor said.

[Mitigate]

Arthmoor. Your essential and game-changing contributions to the modding community go without saying, and I have donated to your work several times, your Unofficial Patches were the catalyst for me switching to PC. But do you truly disagree that Bethesda's involvement has only been trouble? I may very well be reading the wrong web pages, but Bethesda's new plan of attack in the modding scene is ringing all sorts of alarm bells for me and plenty of others. Why would they bother to get involved in something that doesn't need them if not to take control and eventually profit from it? So far all their involvement has done to the modding community is cause damage as far as I can see, what with luring authors away from the Nexus last time and causing them now to hide their work for fear it will be stolen. And Bethesda haven't seemed to care one bit about the consequences.
As PC gamers, we shouldn't have the slightest care about the console scene and whether or not they have access to mods. They're not our problem. So I don't see why bethesda.net is a good thing. Perhaps you could enlighten me and reassure me that the Nexus wont be further affected, that paid mods wont rear their head again, that bethesda.net wont one day be compulsory and that those of us who enjoy anarchy, that is, those who enjoy things being run independently and without interference, wont be forced to conform or stop playing?

As far as I can see, the Steam Workshop is also irrelevant to the discussion as it's also inferior to the Nexus and shouldn't be used.

Perhaps your position is because you actually supported paid mods last time, I don't know?

All I know is that discovering the Nexus has been the best thing in my gaming life. And I'd hate to see it change.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Mitigate

[lelcat]

Why are you uploading your mods to Beth.net? The purpose of that site is to take control of the modding scene away from the Nexus. To legally own your hard work and make a profit from it while not giving you a cent. You have to ask yourselves, modding has been fine on the Nexus for years. It didn't need any 'help' or change. Beth.net doesn't need to exist. So why have they gone to the trouble? Why would you trust them after what they did with the paid modding fiasco? They'll surely try again, mark my words.

So boycott Bethesda.net! If none of you play ball, they have no game! Stop handing over your power. I never understood why people do this. If it isn't broken then it doesn't need fixing, yet when someone tries to change things, everyone jumps on board even though it doesn't have their best interests at heart. It's like you all have the mentality that this sort of thing is inevitable. It's only inevitable because you let it be!

1. I want paid modding to be a reality, as a modder and as a player.

2. You just tripped over your own argument here:

 

The purpose of that site is to take control of the modding scene away from the Nexus. To legally own your hard work and make a profit from it while not giving you a cent. You have to ask yourselves, modding has been fine on the Nexus for years.

Nexus is happily making money of mods for years without the modders getting a cent. And you complain about Bethesda offering mod hosting without ads? Do you see what is wrong with your logic?

 

3. Bethesda made the game and offered us the tools to make mods and is planning to cut-in modders with profits for mods. None of this is provided by Nexus. Nexus did not make the game or the modding tools and the ads generated by the traffic modders and players provide goes into the nexus site owners pocket. Where is your revolutionary spirit now?

 

4. bethesda is making their own site so they dont have to pass 30% of the profit to Valve if they use their workshop. My guess it is less than 30% because producers of large games like Fallout 4 probably get better percentages.

[Mitigate]

 

2. You just tripped over your own argument here:

 

The purpose of that site is to take control of the modding scene away from the Nexus. To legally own your hard work and make a profit from it while not giving you a cent. You have to ask yourselves, modding has been fine on the Nexus for years.

Nexus is happily making money of mods for years without the modders getting a cent. And you complain about Bethesda offering mod hosting without ads? Do you see what is wrong with your logic?

 

The Nexus is making money off of advertising, it does not charge for downloading mods. It also doesn't put any limitations on mods, users or authors. Bethesda has split the community before by charging for the downloading of mods. Mods that may or may not be utter garbage. You don't even have any mod files up. And who says when you do, they wont be garbage? 95% of the mods on the Nexus are garbage, yet there is no issue because they're free. Donating is a superior system. Not all mod authors deserve reward for their efforts. Only the good ones. I have about 50 un-endorsed mods that have turned out to be rubbish and did not live up to their descriptions. That would have been a lot of wasted money.

 

There is no flaw in my logic here.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Mitigate

[lelcat]

 

 

2. You just tripped over your own argument here:

 

The purpose of that site is to take control of the modding scene away from the Nexus. To legally own your hard work and make a profit from it while not giving you a cent. You have to ask yourselves, modding has been fine on the Nexus for years.

Nexus is happily making money of mods for years without the modders getting a cent. And you complain about Bethesda offering mod hosting without ads? Do you see what is wrong with your logic?

 

The Nexus is making money off of advertising, it does not charge for downloading mods. It also doesn't put any limitations on mods, users or authors. Bethesda has split the community before by charging for the downloading of mods. Mods that may or may not be utter garbage. You don't even have any mod files up. And who says when you do, they wont be garbage? 95% of the mods on the Nexus are garbage, yet there is no issue because they're free. Donating is a superior system. Not all mod authors deserve reward for their efforts. Only the good ones. I have about 50 un-endorsed mods that have turned out to be rubbish and did not live up to their descriptions. That would have been a lot of wasted money.

 

There is no flaw in my logic here.

 

1. Where does Bethesda charge for downloading mods? You are making things up. Bethesda is not going to charge money for mod downloads. Do you comprehend how terribly outlandish and baseless that is?

2. I do have released mods. On Bethesda.

3. Donating is not a superior system.

4. It is not about deserving rewards. It is about a free market, where someone can put a price tag on his work and the user can decide whether he wants to pay for it. You don't get to forbid someone else to put a price tag on his work. You can decide whether that mod is worth the price tag for you. And if a crap mod has a big price tag, most users won't buy it and the modder will take the hint that his stuff is overpriced.

= Magic of the free market.

 

5. 95% of the Bethesda-hate posts are garbage and my eyes have to see them unprotected. How unfair, where is the "sue nexus for eye damage" button. I cant see it.

6. You spiraled into a hyperbolic hallucination where bethesda is secretly planning to make all released mods forced to be downloaded for pay off bethesda.net. For a mod to be "paid mod", The creator has to want it to be paid first, and Bethesda has to put the logistics in place first. There will never be a situation where Bethesda simply vacuums all the mods and puts a price tag on them against the creator's will. They would never do that, because that would be humonguously stupid and bad business.

Edited July 15, 2016 by lelcat

[Mitigate]

If you think they've given up on paid mods (your earlier post suggests you fully expect them) then you're naive. The fact they ever tried at all shows how disconnected they are from the community they supposedly care about...

What mods have you made on bethesda.net? I would like to judge their quality.

How is donating not a superior system? I donate to all the mod authors who's work I use the most. It's called the honour system. It's how people avoid being controlled and losing nice things. By conducting themselves properly in the first place.

I have shown that bethesda.net has already harmed the community. You have yet to show me how bethesda.net has helped it.

The free market doesn't work. Too many idiots buying everything even though they shouldn't so things don't actually improve. Day 1 DLC and season passes come to mind. They are clearly bad ideas yet they aren't going away.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Mitigate

[Dark0ne]

2. I do have released mods. On Bethesda.

 

 

Off topic, I know. Can you link these? You go as "straycat" on Bethesda.net but Bethesda.net doesn't seem to have a "search by author" functionality that I can actually find. I'd be interested to know what you've made.

 

I'm kind of wondering why you're on the Nexus, lelcat. You registered less than a month ago and talk as though you've been in this community a lot longer. What other username's have you gone by? It seems disingenuous to go around spreading bile under what is obviously an alt account. So come on, pull away the mask and show us where the hate comes from.