Why do PC gamers look past all of the greatness in Skyrim?

[LadyAubrie]

This game has a lot of good points, and it has a lot of things that disappoint and frustrate me. On the good side, BethSoft implemented lots of cool ideas they took from the modding community; followers, marriage, weapon racks that actually store your weapons. On the bad side is what everyone has already said: terrible UI and a game that makes you feel like it was released on PC as an afterthought by ridding the game of most of its potential and playability. All this has been said, and these problems probably can and probably will be fixed by the modding community.

 

No. What gets *me* is that I feel betrayed. Up until a few days ago, BethSoft was probably my favorite game company; they'd won my support in so many ways. Their affiliation with Steam had alienated me, but because I didn't have (massive) problems with FNV, I overlooked it. But a few days ago, they released a patch with no other purpose than to stop my game from working with the best mods my community had devised to *begin* to make this game playable. I bought a game and now they're telling me how they want me to play it. I HATE being told how to use a product, especially if I paid for something. When did my favorite game company become Apple?

 

I loved Daggerfall. I spent months and months of my life inside Oblivion, one of my favorite games ever. I loved New Vegas. But Skyrim taught me that Bethesda seems to care more about punishing me for my support than for being appreciative. The ability to mod the games to my liking was probably what I loved most about BethSoft, but - and this is just speculation on my part - I'm guessing this newest Construction Kit's long overdue release date is no coincidence. After that patch, it's got me wondering if they're going to force compliance with Steam and its draconian control over my PC. If I can't mod the game without the permission of two huge corporations, then those games aren't worth buying anymore. This isn't something console users ever have to worry about since they're used to being told how to play their games (and Microsoft and Sony have controlled their systems for years - this is nothing new).

 

I'll play Skyrim because my partner and I waited so anxiously for it (and traded in a lot of games to get it!). But after this, I'm not sure I'll be buying anymore Bethesda games. They just got rid of the main thing that made me a devoted fan.

 

They've lost me as a customer, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.

[MonsterMonkey]

The patch was from Steam not from bethsoft the intent was to avoid people from using modified exe files.

And you can go back to previous version to correct that.

 

 

To those who have trouble with combining pad and keyboard...

 

I recommend the use of "JoyTokey" a freeware that allows you to assign keys on pad' buttons ( ex: space on A button etc...)

So i'm using my gamepad on the left hand , the keyboard in the middle ( on the desk, i'm not usin some special body part) and the mouse on the right hand.

Edited November 23, 2011 by MonsterMonkey

[stuges]

I've noticed that most discomfort I got was from any forums at all.

It's a bit like commercials, they create the problem which people then have to get certain product for.

 

I see rants about so many things I've started to notice them myself and it takes a part of the enjoyment away :ohdear:

Immersion in my opinion is awesome thought, how they made dragon fights and snowstorms never get old! ;D

[BarefootWarrior]

I'm still having a great time exploring, I may get around to the storyline eventually. :thumbsup: Edited November 23, 2011 by BarefootWarrior

[Starsickle]

I hear so many PC gamers and reviewers who nit pick minor details of Skyrim to complain... Meanwhile, there are so many great things and details within the game. Why are PC gamers so ungrateful? We get a construction kit that will enable us to recreate the game a million different ways, we essentially get complete control over Skyrim.

I have been gaming for a long time... There are a lot of games that don't live up to the hype, but Skyrim has literally amazed me.

 

Firstly, people on the internet say lots of things.

 

Second, we do *not* have full control over Skyrim. We probably will not be able to add new skills and perks, we probably won't be able to adjust a lot of fundamentals in the game like spell projectile mechanics or improve the rock-stupid AI behaviors.

 

Third - You have to admit, the game's problems add up. When my wife marries me and the wedding ISN'T ruined by bandits, she moves her friend in with me, and my Housecarl feels the need to move in, as well? That's just one thing. I really, REALLY like this game, but at the same time I've run into so many problems involving broken quests and repeating the same damn quest for the same helm over and over, it makes the game boring and my experience more Gamish and less immerse.

 

I like this game very much. But!

 

This game needs a substantial patch. There's just too much stuff that can break or just not work to leave it to modders.

[Daverdare]

The main problem for most pc gamers is not, that Skyrim is a bad game or that there are stupid things which can't be fixed easily. Let's just think about fov. 10 years ago 80-90 were standard. Today we have to deal with some console fixes and stuff like that to get a decent fov. Or the UI which is obviously consolized. This gives pc-players the feeling of not being important to the developers. See, if you develop a game for pc,ps3 and xbox360 you should optimize it for every platform instead of forcing the community to fix those things. Is it that hard to give the player an option to change their fov in the menu? Is it that hard to make a dialouge window which shows you all options instead of forcing you to scroll when there is enough space to just give you every line? These are small things but they can be highly enoying. "They'll fix it" is not a reasonable way of putting multiplatform games on pc by not optimizing it with minor tweaks. Minor tweaks which can be achived with a minimal amount of effort. To make this clear, these are not bugs. Bugs are part of every game. These are things that are obvious to the pc-community and should be obvious to the developer. I don't care if the console market is the biggest one (let's ignore for one second all those digital copies of steam). If they release it on pc, optimize it for pc. Edited November 23, 2011 by Daverdare

[stars2heaven]

Won't here any complaints from me! Skyrim may not be perfect, but no game is. Besides, the pros to this game out weight the cons like a mountain outweighs a mole hill. It is a fantastic game!

[minngarm]

No game would advance without constant complaints about it and past games. Then there is the fact that most complaints are valid. This game is hands down a Console game ported to PC. Which already sets it up to be inferior to other PC titles. The UI is horrible, the controls are poorly responsive. The AI reaction and attack methods are shoddy at best, and then the graphics are good for stock, but pale in comparison to modded work for older games from the same company.

 

Now the game itself for a vanilla game is amazing, good enough graphics, and the northern feel of it is just simply amazing. Also a nice piece i noticed in game and in the ini files is how they have 2 sets of object fade for terrain and terrain like items. So that you see the forest on the side of the mountain, and ruins, at a good distance with proper shape, while the heavy details are saved to be loaded at a closer range.

[Balakirev]

Now the game itself for a vanilla game is amazing, good enough graphics, and the northern feel of it is just simply amazing. Also a nice piece i noticed in game and in the ini files is how they have 2 sets of object fade for terrain and terrain like items. So that you see the forest on the side of the mountain, and ruins, at a good distance with proper shape, while the heavy details are saved to be loaded at a closer range.

 

In fairness, this great effect (and it is great) comes from LOD mods created by Oblivion users. As with Oblivion based on Morrowind, so the devs borrowed some excellent mods from Oblivion to use in Skyrim. And that isn't a complaint, just an observation. They'd have been foolish to ignore all that work--though I could wish they'd give credit where credit is due. (DIsclaimer: I'm not one of the people who have worked on any of the mods Bethsoft has utilized in a subsequent game.)

[possum440]

I hear so many PC gamers and reviewers who nit pick minor details of Skyrim to complain... Meanwhile, there are so many great things and details within the game. Why are PC gamers so ungrateful? We get a construction kit that will enable us to recreate the game a million different ways, we essentially get complete control over Skyrim.

I have been gaming for a long time... There are a lot of games that don't live up to the hype, but Skyrim has literally amazed me.

 

I see you having a premium membership you take your blog site seriously. There is no nitpicking in the pc community, no "small details" left out. Skyrim is a console product and it shows. No amount of story, no infinite number of quests, no large land mass will change the fact the world of Skyrim was made for dumbed down, mass market consoles. The simple concept of detail and realism are non issues to the bethesda devs, money and market were the only factors in how Skyrim would be released.

 

If more Gamers had the brains to build a pc and thr market showed most gamers used a pc, then Skyrim would be wonderous indeed, because standards would demand it. Instead we have a generation of simple minded people mass marketed into the console era and the vast majority of games made for this market slice, with developers leading the way because to put it simply, consoles are easier to program for as the detail is simply not needed or expected.

 

All i can hope for is that the great modders out there fix Skyrim and make it what it should have been for the pc. You console users can keep your own s*** version of Skyrim, i will wait patiently for mine.

Edited November 24, 2011 by possum440