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Ok. Getting down there a bit, Eliminating what is seen and shown I come upon a listing that Nmm nor Loot, or xedit, or Mo can see, yet the data is missing.

 

So I know you are having some difficulty understanding the issue..I present an image to show you what I mean, This shot is a whittled won version of your saved game file going by alphabetically named items 1 at a time. in that process, I found this and one other mod not shown nor listed by managers or tools in the © category.

 

NOTE: this is a lot of painstaking work and eye strain, concentration to verify data you had removed that is causing the CTD's and other strange things.

Study the picture please. You tell me what you see so I know you understand it?

Missing_data.jpg

Ok, the dinoshelf.esp, ,it is belong to Do IT Yourself, which i am currently use and it works fine . So i dont get how it can be "missing data"?

The green box, is that means those esp are also have missing data? they are all currenty being use right now and they also work fine, is it a Installation error or a conflict with Do it yourself ?

Also the plugins txt i post up there is from C:/User/username/Appdata/Local/Fallout 4, there's only that, and another file call DLCList:

 

AkaWaterWorld.esp

AlternateSettlements.esp

Animated Drinking.esp

ArmorKeywords.esm

Armorsmith Extended.esp

ArtilleryFlare.esp

ArtilleryQuickfire.esp

AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

BetterSettlers.esp

Build High - Expanded Settlements.esp

CBBE.esp

Chainsaw.esp

combat_PA - AWKCR.esp

combat_PA.esp

ConcealedArmor.esm

ConcealedArmor.esp

Crafting Workbench.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp

CWSS Redux.esp

DD_M79_Launcher_woooot.esp

DLCCoast.esm

DLCRobot.esm

DLCworkshop01.esm

EFF.esp

EnclaveX02.esp

GeniusGamePerk.esp

GITS_suit_by_OniNigma.esp

Homemaker.esm

IF88TacShotgun.esp

KSHairdos.esp

LegendaryModification.esp

LegendaryModification2LM.esp

LegendaryModification2LMConcealed.esp

LegendaryModificationCSA.esp

LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp

LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

LongerPowerLines3x.esp

LooksMenu.esp

LovingCait.esp

LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp

MiscHairstyle.esp

mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp

mk14.esp

More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp

MoreAmmo.esp

Nanohelmet.esp

NanoSuit.esp

NanoSuit_AWKCR_AE.esp

NX Pro - Farm Core.esp

NX Pro - Harvest Overhaul.esp

PhotoLight.esp

PPH Max.esp

RangerSequoiaCraft.esp

Robot Home Defence.esm

SettlementKeywords.esm

ShadeArmorIV.esp

Smoke-able Cigars.esp

Snap'n Build.esm

SPECIALWeddingRingsAll.esp

SRM.esp

SRM_Corpse6.esp

TakeCover.esp

tank_PA - AWKCR.esp

tank_PA.esp

The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

Vasstek_Vaultsuit.esp

Vault Meat Paintings.esp

zWInsanity.esp

MoreBeards.esp

MoreHairstyles4Female.esp

MoreHairstyles4Male.esp

Eli_PlantPots.esp

companion_DogBots.esp

Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp

MikeMooresMCAM.esp

rfortaleza2.esp

VisibleWeapons.esp

Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp

Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp

Vivid Weathers - Natural Bright.esp

DLCworkshop02.esm

DLCworkshop03.esm

AkaInvisibleFurniture.esp

Clean Water - Tropical.esp

Companion Fall Damage Immunity.esp

CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm

dinoshelf.esp

dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp

dinoshelf_retex.esp

DLC_MainMenu.esm

DLC_MainMenu_Inject.esp

Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp

Headcrab_Bunny.esp

Armorsmith Automatron.esp

Armorsmith Far Harbor.esp

Armorsmith Vault-Tec DLC.esp

ImmersiveVendors.esp

LongRangeBulletHoles.esp

NukaRadBans.esp

ShootingTarget.esp

AkaSinger.esp

AkaSingersWardrobe.esp

BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp

BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

Campsite.esp

Companion_BloodRose.esp

CROSS_PlasRail.esp

DOOMMerged.esp

Friffy_Fixed Curtains.esp

g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp

HN66-SiriusArmor.esp

IncreasedSettlerPopulation100.esp

Merchants stick with store - Regular settlers.esp

Merchants stick with store - Unique Settlers.esp

NX Pro - Farm Core - Homemaker.esp

RaiderOverhaul.esp

SkibsWeaponsMerged-AWKCR.esp

SuperMutantOverhaul.esp

The Space Marine.esp

Armorsmith Nuka World.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp

Crafting Workbenches - Removed Crafting Experience.esp

DLCNukaWorld.esm

Lacy Underwear.esp

zgcquiet.esp

a89_pipboycustom.esp

AA FusionCityRising.esp

ABP Pip-Boy Wallpapers [PBCF] - AIO.esp

Ada2Human.esp

Ada2HumanWintermutePatch.esp

Armorsmith Deserter X.esp

Armorsmith Elianora.esp

AWARHERO Japanese Decor Pack.esp

BetterSynthRelayGrenadesSquads.esp

CarryWeight2000.esp

CCWigs.esp

CHKWeightless.esp

CHT-AnimalEars.esp

Common Wealth Store.esp

Craftable_Blossom_Trees.esp

CROSS_Cybernetics.esp

CROSS_FireworksCannon.esp

Danse GTFO Power Armor.esp

DiverseChildren.esp

DLC_PATCH_Full.esp

DV-Invincible Vertibirds.esp

Eli_Bunker.esp

Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - AiO.esp

Faster EXP - 3x.esp

FO4 Seasons - Winter - AllDLC.esp

FO4Hotkeys.esp

ForcePowers.esp

Fusion Gun.esp

Glove Ports.esp

Glowing Eyes.esp

GorillasForAll.esp

Heavy BoS.esp

Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp

K9TacticalHarness.esp

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM Concealed).esp

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM).esp

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp

Live Dismemberment - BrutalNoHeadshots.esp

Locky Bastard.esp

LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp

LovingPiper-TrueReporterSE.esp

MadeleineInkPictures.esp

Makeshift-Anti Materiel Rifle.esp

mfdpp50.esp

MoreShipments_50.esp

My_Minutemen.esp

OCD FarHarborDLC.esp

OCDecorator - No Experience.esp

OCDecorator.esp

OCDispenser.esp

Orphans-DCMS.esp

Orphans.esp

OTs-02 Kiparis.esp

P220.esp

PBCF_Seed.esp

Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

PipBoyCustomisationFramework.esm

Reload Sounds.esp

rfortaleza2_AE.esp

rpampas.esp

SCAR-L.esp

SchoolDeskObject.esp

Scrap Everything - Automatron.esp

Scrap Everything - Core.esp

Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp

SettleObjExpandPack-LightShadowDisabler.esp

SettleObjExpandPack.esp

SettlersRename.esp

ShipmentSize_125.esp

Skibs-WH77Redux.esp

SMH.esp

SurvivalOptions.esp

Tactical Flashlights.esp

th1nkEyeBot-FarHarbor.esp

th1nkEyebot.esp

The Collector's Guides AIO.esp

TheFridge.esp

TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp

ValdacilsItemSorting - Raider Overhaul TAGS.esp

ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp

VarmintRifle - AWKCR-VIS-VW.esp

VarmintRifle.esp

VC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete.esp

VendorCaps_50k.esp

Wintermute.esp

WintermuteCustomBodyTextures.esp

AzarHolsteredWeapons.esp

CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp

Family Mauser.esp

FCOM.esp

FridayThe13th.esp

Modern Firearms.esp

Remington.esp

rpampas AE.esp

Skibs-223PistolRedux.esp

Skibs-IF88Redux.esp

SkyrimInspiredPowerArmor.esp

T-51C Power Armor.esp

th1nkEyeBot-DLC03DLC04Addon.esp

th1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.esp

TNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.esp

ToggleFanning.esp

Victus_Tactical_Armor.esp

WastelandFashion.esp

WM Heavy Machine Gun - Standalone.esp

AEAR01.esp

Armorsmith Pack It Up.esp

AssaultFlamer.esp

BlackRoseRedux.esp

DX_Overboss_Outfit.esp

EnhancedGrass_Low.esp

Mercenary.esp

UniquePlayer.esp

Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp

WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp

zAdaWongSpy.esp

 

 

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reasons: it's not in the first saved game file sent to me. "Dinoshelf.esp" being picked up by the manager, it's not in the first text sent with astrix before the plugin names sent here either. That html can use the browser search for the name and it's only found on the plugin.txt file and inside the coded saved game file but is not read by the managers.

 

you find out why that is. Who made the mod? provide a link to the page.

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Googling a search for this (dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp) I find issues dealing with problems similar.

(https://www.google.com/search?q=dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

 

I' sure I'll find the issue with why this has occurred.

 

we look for something in common (https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/4839660-random-ctds-in-indoor-locations/&do=findComment&comment=42216710)

Issues similar, mods installed similar, tools used "manager" similar.

 

It leads to mod dissection to verify why or IF there is a problem with the code.

 

all of this spawned from one file name.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?

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Bug # 1 Found (http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?tab=14&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fmodbugs%2F%3Fid%3D14532&pUp=1)

I'll continue with the process.

Be back in a while.

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Googling a search for this (dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp) I find issues dealing with problems similar.

(https://www.google.com/search?q=dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

 

I' sure I'll find the issue with why this has occurred.

 

we look for something in common (https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/4839660-random-ctds-in-indoor-locations/&do=findComment&comment=42216710)

Issues similar, mods installed similar, tools used "manager" similar.

 

It leads to mod dissection to verify why or IF there is a problem with the code.

 

all of this spawned from one file name.

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?

------------------

Bug # 1 Found (http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?tab=14&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fmodbugs%2F%3Fid%3D14532&pUp=1)

I'll continue with the process.

Be back in a while.

 

reasons: it's not in the first saved game file sent to me. "Dinoshelf.esp" being picked up by the manager, it's not in the first text sent with astrix before the plugin names sent here either. That html can use the browser search for the name and it's only found on the plugin.txt file and inside the coded saved game file but is not read by the managers.

 

you find out why that is. Who made the mod? provide a link to the page.

 

I have something to show you.

https://mega.nz/#!fIoziCKT!YMzCdZSA7bhRokvSAGBiczp8YzcAxjAVIZxPSvH_yWc

 

now, these two items were provided by you and are not the same thing.

 

information is important.

its both located in C:\Users\Users Name\AppData\Local\Fallout 4, the first plugin is from plugins.txt, the second plugin i post is from a file call DLCList.txt. After i check both of them out: plugins txt seems to have many ESP that didnt exist in my game anymore like i said above, they are unistall a long time ago and it also missing lots of the new mods plugin i install ever since i updare the game to v1.5 ( when they change how mods work ).

 

THe plugins txt( one with asterisk) in Appdata/Local i send you is somehow outdated, it didnt have any new mods i install like since v1.5m all esp int here are old and mostly being remove a long time ago. Sorry i didnt check it before posting.

THE DLCList (right side of the tested.htm you send me) is more accurate, though it mess up.

 

 

SO this time: i will export the current ESP/load order from the NMM by export the load order straight from it, so this is the newest and most accurate esp i currently have:

 

GameMode=Fallout4

 

Fallout4.esm=1

DLCRobot.esm=1

DLCworkshop01.esm=1

DLCCoast.esm=1

DLCworkshop02.esm=1

DLCworkshop03.esm=1

DLCNukaWorld.esm=1

Robot Home Defence.esm=1

Snap'n Build.esm=1

ConcealedArmor.esm=1

SettlementKeywords.esm=1

Homemaker.esm=1

DLC_MainMenu.esm=1

ArmorKeywords.esm=1

CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm=1

PipBoyCustomisationFramework.esm=1

AA FusionCityRising.esp=1

DLC_MainMenu_Inject.esp=1

DLC_PATCH_Full.esp=1

The Collector's Guides AIO.esp=1

Build High - Expanded Settlements.esp=1

Merchants stick with store - Unique Settlers.esp=1

AkaSinger.esp=1

Eli_PlantPots.esp=1

Vault Meat Paintings.esp=1

SchoolDeskObject.esp=1

OCDispenser.esp=1

AlternateSettlements.esp=1

OCDecorator.esp=1

Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp=1

CHKWeightless.esp=1

NX Pro - Farm Core.esp=1

PPH Max.esp=1

RaiderOverhaul.esp=1

SuperMutantOverhaul.esp=1

Common Wealth Store.esp=1

FCOM.esp=1

SRM.esp=1

SRM_Corpse6.esp=1

ToggleFanning.esp=1

SurvivalOptions.esp=1

AkaWaterWorld.esp=1

ShootingTarget.esp=1

g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp=1

MadeleineInkPictures.esp=1

Campsite.esp=1

CabinInTheWoods.esp=1

RedRocketReborn.esp=1

OCDecorator - No Experience.esp=1

WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp=1

NX Pro - Harvest Overhaul.esp=1

OCD FarHarborDLC.esp=1

NX Pro - Farm Core - Homemaker.esp=1

Craftable_Blossom_Trees.esp=1

SettleObjExpandPack.esp=1

AWARHERO Japanese Decor Pack.esp=1

dinoshelf.esp=1

DD_bobblehead_stands.esp=1

Friffy_Fixed Curtains.esp=1

LongerPowerLines3x.esp=1

IncreasedSettlerPopulation100.esp=1

Live Dismemberment - BrutalNoHeadshots.esp=1

a89_pipboycustom.esp=1

SMH.esp=1

SettlersRename.esp=1

BetterSettlers.esp=1

DiverseChildren.esp=1

Orphans.esp=1

Orphans-DCMS.esp=1

Merchants stick with store - Regular settlers.esp=1

ImmersiveVendors.esp=1

VendorCaps_50k.esp=1

CarryWeight2000.esp=1

FO4Hotkeys.esp=1

Faster EXP - 5x.esp=1

MoreShipments_50.esp=1

ShipmentSize_125.esp=1

Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1

VC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete.esp=1

PBCF_Seed.esp=1

GorillasForAll.esp=1

ArtilleryQuickfire.esp=1

DV-Invincible Vertibirds.esp=1

Tactical Flashlights.esp=1

ArtilleryFlare.esp=1

AkaSingersWardrobe.esp=1

Smoke-able Cigars.esp=1

VisibleWeapons.esp=1

Locky Bastard.esp=1

TakeCover.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp=1

AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1

KSHairdos.esp=1

MoreHairstyles4Female.esp=1

MoreHairstyles4Male.esp=1

Glowing Eyes.esp=1

The Eyes Of Beauty.esp=1

MiscHairstyle.esp=1

MoreBeards.esp=1

LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp=1

LovingPiper-TrueReporterSE.esp=1

FF Cait Clean.esp=1

LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1

LooksMenu.esp=1

CBBE.esp=1

UniquePlayer.esp=1

Armorsmith Extended.esp=1

Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp=1

Armorsmith Deserter X.esp=1

Armorsmith Elianora.esp=1

Armorsmith Pack It Up.esp=1

Heavy BoS.esp=1

SkyrimInspiredPowerArmor.esp=1

The Space Marine.esp=1

Vasstek_Vaultsuit.esp=1

Nanohelmet.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting - Raider Overhaul TAGS.esp=1

ConcealedArmor.esp=1

EnclaveX02.esp=1

combat_PA.esp=1

combat_PA - AWKCR.esp=1

ShadeArmorIV.esp=1

DX_Overboss_Outfit.esp=1

tank_PA.esp=1

tank_PA - AWKCR.esp=1

rfortaleza2.esp=1

Headcrab_Bunny.esp=1

Taboolicious_StreetBrawler.esp=1

HN66-SiriusArmor.esp=1

zAdaWongSpy.esp=1

Lacy Underwear.esp=1

PhotoLight.esp=1

CHT-AnimalEars.esp=1

AzarHolsteredWeapons.esp=1

zWInsanity.esp=1

BlackRoseRedux.esp=1

NanoSuit.esp=1

TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp=1

TNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.esp=1

Wasteland Ranger Outfit.esp=1

Holsters & sheaths.esp=1

crysis2nanosuit.esp=1

NukaRadBans.esp=1

zgcquiet.esp=1

MonnoBikini.esp=1

rpampas.esp=1

Mercenary.esp=1

CROSS_Cybernetics.esp=1

CROSS_Uni_Headset.esp=1

NanoSuit_AWKCR_AE.esp=1

rfortaleza2_AE.esp=1

batmanbeyond.esp=1

K9TacticalHarness.esp=1

IF88TacShotgun.esp=1

RangerSequoiaCraft.esp=1

CROSS_PlasRail.esp=1

Chainsaw.esp=1

VarmintRifle.esp=1

mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp=1

tsuki no hana.esp=1

Glove Ports.esp=1

Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp=1

P220.esp=1

DOOMMerged.esp=1

SCAR-L.esp=1

Makeshift-Anti Materiel Rifle.esp=1

AEAR01.esp=1

CROSS_FireworksCannon.esp=1

OTs-02 Kiparis.esp=1

TrenchGun.esp=1

MikeMooresMCAM.esp=1

VarmintRifle - AWKCR-VIS-VW.esp=1

Skibs-IF54Redux.esp=1

9mmPistol.esp=1

MSR_SniperRifle.esp=1

Modern Firearms.esp=1

LCAR9_SMG_FO4.esp=1

WM Heavy Machine Gun - Standalone.esp=1

Skibs-223PistolRedux.esp=1

Skibs-IF88Redux.esp=1

AssaultFlamer.esp=1

GrenadeExpansionPack.esp=1

GrenadeExpansionPackValsPatch.esp=1

AN94.esp=1

AKM.esp=1

mk14.esp=1

Fusion Gun.esp=1

Skibs-WH77Redux.esp=1

SPECIALWeddingRingsAll.esp=1

More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp=1

MoreAmmo.esp=1

GeniusGamePerk.esp=1

LongRangeBulletHoles.esp=1

Clean Water - Tropical.esp=1

EnhancedGrass_Low.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp=1

Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp=1

CWSS Redux.esp=1

Animated Drinking.esp=1

TheFridge.esp=1

RightHandedHuntingRifle.esp=1

Reload Sounds.esp=1

AkaInvisibleFurniture.esp=1

Eli_Bunker.esp=1

Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - AiO.esp=1

LegendaryModification.esp=1

LegendaryModification2LM.esp=1

LegendaryModification2LMConcealed.esp=1

LegendaryModificationMisc.esp=1

LegendaryModificationCSA.esp=1

LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp=1

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp=1

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM).esp=1

LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM Concealed).esp=1

Crafting Workbench.esp=1

Crafting Workbenches - Removed Crafting Experience.esp=1

Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp=1

Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp=1

Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp=1

Scrap Everything - Core.esp=1

Scrap Everything - Automatron.esp=1

Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp=1

companion_DogBots.esp=1

th1nkEyebot.esp=1

th1nkEyeBot-FarHarbor.esp=1

th1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.esp=1

th1nkEyeBot-DLC03DLC04Addon.esp=1

Danse GTFO Power Armor.esp=1

Companion Fall Damage Immunity.esp=1

Companion_BloodRose.esp=1

Ada2Human.esp=1

Wintermute.esp=1

WintermuteCustomBodyTextures.esp=1

Ada2HumanWintermutePatch.esp=1

ellen.esp=1

EFF.esp=1

My_Minutemen.esp=1

 

 

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ok, now we understand things better.

Caution, IF what you said is true? "are you aware" there was an issue related directly too what I have found here? with Do IT Your Self's mod?

 

please read the page I linked, it's for your benefit. The bug I found in the archive is a direct result from the older mod.

lol, ok, this is just the first one I detected and it writes as intentional to saved game files, rather has a control script for that very purpose.

 

If you find any of this interesting ? please don't hesitate to let me know.

 

I am downloading that package on my phone as I see the servers are having problems tonight.

 

but, the saved game sent first is what i will deal with becasue that's the starting point. Adding stuff is cool, removing stuff is not so it's better I stick to the processes started.

 

On the pages listed under this authors BUG sheets, there is another user whom posted about the other mod plugin I also found too in the Alphabet order of C

 

that's another plugin not showing up in the manager as well but is held in the saved game archive.

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ok, now we understand things better.

Caution, IF what you said is true? "are you aware" there was an issue related directly too what I have found here? with Do IT Your Self's mod?

 

please read the page I linked, it's for your benefit. The bug I found in the archive is a direct result from the older mod.

lol, ok, this is just the first one I detected and it writes as intentional to saved game files, rather has a control script for that very purpose.

 

If you find any of this interesting ? please don't hesitate to let me know.

 

I am downloading that package on my phone as I see the servers are having problems tonight.

 

but, the saved game sent first is what i will deal with becasue that's the starting point. Adding stuff is cool, removing stuff is not so it's better I stick to the processes started.

 

On the pages listed under this authors BUG sheets, there is another user whom posted about the other mod plugin I also found too in the Alphabet order of C

 

that's another plugin not showing up in the manager as well but is held in the saved game archive.

Hmm.. SO what do i do with "Do it YourSelf " mod now? Is it because i re-install the mod before and choose to remove extraammo.esp and Cleanshelf.esp to save some Plugins slot? or the problem is in the main dinoshelf esp itself? and what to do with it (how to solve)? How come it not cause problem before, i mean it just shelves, container, how could it cause CTDs in a specific area of Sanctuary, which dont even have anything from Do it yourself place on top of it?

i read about the bug, the extraammo.esp, i already remove it before these CTDs happened. Besides it just "Graphics bugs"

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Hmm.. SO what do i do with "Do it YourSelf " mod? Is it because i re-install the mod before and choose to remove extraammo.esp and Cleanshelf.esp to save some Plugins slot? or the problem is in the main dinoshelf esp itself? and what to do with it (how to solve)? How come it not cause problem before, i mean it just shelves, container, how could it cause CTDs in a specific area of Sanctuary, which dont even have anything from Do it yourself place on top of it?

Do nothing until I am done, play the game or another ,just give me the needed time to sort things out.

 

New one (ellen.esp) not listed shown by the manager reader. I am doing [ F ] files now.

 

The latest packages need to be installed for that mod if I read things correctly and you said you had the older ones running. IF it's working now, leave it alone.

Some times a group of mods and load order in combination with a bug can cause all sorts of strange things to occur.

 

There are groups set up here for troubleshooting I must adhere too. 1 problem at a time.

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