MrAlexKing96 Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) Ok. Getting down there a bit, Eliminating what is seen and shown I come upon a listing that Nmm nor Loot, or xedit, or Mo can see, yet the data is missing. So I know you are having some difficulty understanding the issue..I present an image to show you what I mean, This shot is a whittled won version of your saved game file going by alphabetically named items 1 at a time. in that process, I found this and one other mod not shown nor listed by managers or tools in the © category. NOTE: this is a lot of painstaking work and eye strain, concentration to verify data you had removed that is causing the CTD's and other strange things.Study the picture please. You tell me what you see so I know you understand it?Ok, the dinoshelf.esp, ,it is belong to Do IT Yourself, which i am currently use and it works fine . So i dont get how it can be "missing data"?The green box, is that means those esp are also have missing data? they are all currenty being use right now and they also work fine, is it a Installation error or a conflict with Do it yourself ?Also the plugins txt i post up there is from C:/User/username/Appdata/Local/Fallout 4, there's only that, and another file call DLCList: AkaWaterWorld.espAlternateSettlements.espAnimated Drinking.espArmorKeywords.esmArmorsmith Extended.espArtilleryFlare.espArtilleryQuickfire.espAzarPonytailHairstyles.espBetterSettlers.espBuild High - Expanded Settlements.espCBBE.espChainsaw.espcombat_PA - AWKCR.espcombat_PA.espConcealedArmor.esmConcealedArmor.espCrafting Workbench.espCrafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.espCrafting Workbenches - Ammo.espCWSS Redux.espDD_M79_Launcher_woooot.espDLCCoast.esmDLCRobot.esmDLCworkshop01.esmEFF.espEnclaveX02.espGeniusGamePerk.espGITS_suit_by_OniNigma.espHomemaker.esmIF88TacShotgun.espKSHairdos.espLegendaryModification.espLegendaryModification2LM.espLegendaryModification2LMConcealed.espLegendaryModificationCSA.espLegendaryModificationGroknak.espLegendaryModificationMisc.espLongerPowerLines3x.espLooksMenu.espLovingCait.espLovingCurie_1.0.3b.espMiscHairstyle.espmjp_PTRS41ATR.espmk14.espMore Where That Came From Diamond City.espMoreAmmo.espNanohelmet.espNanoSuit.espNanoSuit_AWKCR_AE.espNX Pro - Farm Core.espNX Pro - Harvest Overhaul.espPhotoLight.espPPH Max.espRangerSequoiaCraft.espRobot Home Defence.esmSettlementKeywords.esmShadeArmorIV.espSmoke-able Cigars.espSnap'n Build.esmSPECIALWeddingRingsAll.espSRM.espSRM_Corpse6.espTakeCover.esptank_PA - AWKCR.esptank_PA.espThe Eyes Of Beauty.espVasstek_Vaultsuit.espVault Meat Paintings.espzWInsanity.espMoreBeards.espMoreHairstyles4Female.espMoreHairstyles4Male.espEli_PlantPots.espcompanion_DogBots.espFriffy_Holstered Weapons.espMikeMooresMCAM.esprfortaleza2.espVisibleWeapons.espVivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.espVivid Weathers - FO4.espVivid Weathers - Natural Bright.espDLCworkshop02.esmDLCworkshop03.esmAkaInvisibleFurniture.espClean Water - Tropical.espCompanion Fall Damage Immunity.espCROSS_CosmeticFramework.esmdinoshelf.espdinoshelf_extra_ammo.espdinoshelf_retex.espDLC_MainMenu.esmDLC_MainMenu_Inject.espEvan_Modular Kitchen.espHeadcrab_Bunny.espArmorsmith Automatron.espArmorsmith Far Harbor.espArmorsmith Vault-Tec DLC.espImmersiveVendors.espLongRangeBulletHoles.espNukaRadBans.espShootingTarget.espAkaSinger.espAkaSingersWardrobe.espBetterSettlersCleanFacePack.espBetterSettlersNoLollygagging.espCampsite.espCompanion_BloodRose.espCROSS_PlasRail.espDOOMMerged.espFriffy_Fixed Curtains.espg2m_Workshop_Nexus.espHN66-SiriusArmor.espIncreasedSettlerPopulation100.espMerchants stick with store - Regular settlers.espMerchants stick with store - Unique Settlers.espNX Pro - Farm Core - Homemaker.espRaiderOverhaul.espSkibsWeaponsMerged-AWKCR.espSuperMutantOverhaul.espThe Space Marine.espArmorsmith Nuka World.espCrafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.espCrafting Workbenches - Removed Crafting Experience.espDLCNukaWorld.esmLacy Underwear.espzgcquiet.espa89_pipboycustom.espAA FusionCityRising.espABP Pip-Boy Wallpapers [PBCF] - AIO.espAda2Human.espAda2HumanWintermutePatch.espArmorsmith Deserter X.espArmorsmith Elianora.espAWARHERO Japanese Decor Pack.espBetterSynthRelayGrenadesSquads.espCarryWeight2000.espCCWigs.espCHKWeightless.espCHT-AnimalEars.espCommon Wealth Store.espCraftable_Blossom_Trees.espCROSS_Cybernetics.espCROSS_FireworksCannon.espDanse GTFO Power Armor.espDiverseChildren.espDLC_PATCH_Full.espDV-Invincible Vertibirds.espEli_Bunker.espEli_Faction Housing Overhaul - AiO.espFaster EXP - 3x.espFO4 Seasons - Winter - AllDLC.espFO4Hotkeys.espForcePowers.espFusion Gun.espGlove Ports.espGlowing Eyes.espGorillasForAll.espHeavy BoS.espHomemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.espK9TacticalHarness.espLegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM Concealed).espLegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM).espLegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.espLive Dismemberment - BrutalNoHeadshots.espLocky Bastard.espLooksMenu Customization Compendium.espLovingPiper-TrueReporterSE.espMadeleineInkPictures.espMakeshift-Anti Materiel Rifle.espmfdpp50.espMoreShipments_50.espMy_Minutemen.espOCD FarHarborDLC.espOCDecorator - No Experience.espOCDecorator.espOCDispenser.espOrphans-DCMS.espOrphans.espOTs-02 Kiparis.espP220.espPBCF_Seed.espPip-Boy Flashlight.espPipBoyCustomisationFramework.esmReload Sounds.esprfortaleza2_AE.esprpampas.espSCAR-L.espSchoolDeskObject.espScrap Everything - Automatron.espScrap Everything - Core.espScrap Everything - Far Harbor.espSettleObjExpandPack-LightShadowDisabler.espSettleObjExpandPack.espSettlersRename.espShipmentSize_125.espSkibs-WH77Redux.espSMH.espSurvivalOptions.espTactical Flashlights.espth1nkEyeBot-FarHarbor.espth1nkEyebot.espThe Collector's Guides AIO.espTheFridge.espTNR Shoulder Lamp.espValdacilsItemSorting - Raider Overhaul TAGS.espValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.espVarmintRifle - AWKCR-VIS-VW.espVarmintRifle.espVC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete.espVendorCaps_50k.espWintermute.espWintermuteCustomBodyTextures.espAzarHolsteredWeapons.espCorvalhoWidowShotgun.espFamily Mauser.espFCOM.espFridayThe13th.espModern Firearms.espRemington.esprpampas AE.espSkibs-223PistolRedux.espSkibs-IF88Redux.espSkyrimInspiredPowerArmor.espT-51C Power Armor.espth1nkEyeBot-DLC03DLC04Addon.espth1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.espTNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.espToggleFanning.espVictus_Tactical_Armor.espWastelandFashion.espWM Heavy Machine Gun - Standalone.espAEAR01.espArmorsmith Pack It Up.espAssaultFlamer.espBlackRoseRedux.espDX_Overboss_Outfit.espEnhancedGrass_Low.espMercenary.espUniquePlayer.espVivid Weathers - Nuka World.espWoodenPrefabsExtended.espzAdaWongSpy.esp Edited December 15, 2016 by xheox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I have something to show you.https://mega.nz/#!fIoziCKT!YMzCdZSA7bhRokvSAGBiczp8YzcAxjAVIZxPSvH_yWc now, these two items were provided by you and are not the same thing. information is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 you decide what you want to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) reasons: it's not in the first saved game file sent to me. "Dinoshelf.esp" being picked up by the manager, it's not in the first text sent with astrix before the plugin names sent here either. That html can use the browser search for the name and it's only found on the plugin.txt file and inside the coded saved game file but is not read by the managers. you find out why that is. Who made the mod? provide a link to the page. Edited December 15, 2016 by Purr4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) Googling a search for this (dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp) I find issues dealing with problems similar.(https://www.google.com/search?q=dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) I' sure I'll find the issue with why this has occurred. we look for something in common (https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/4839660-random-ctds-in-indoor-locations/&do=findComment&comment=42216710)Issues similar, mods installed similar, tools used "manager" similar. It leads to mod dissection to verify why or IF there is a problem with the code. all of this spawned from one file name. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?------------------Bug # 1 Found (http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?tab=14&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fmodbugs%2F%3Fid%3D14532&pUp=1)I'll continue with the process.Be back in a while. Edited December 15, 2016 by Purr4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAlexKing96 Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 Googling a search for this (dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp) I find issues dealing with problems similar.(https://www.google.com/search?q=dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) I' sure I'll find the issue with why this has occurred. we look for something in common (https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/4839660-random-ctds-in-indoor-locations/&do=findComment&comment=42216710)Issues similar, mods installed similar, tools used "manager" similar. It leads to mod dissection to verify why or IF there is a problem with the code. all of this spawned from one file name. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?------------------Bug # 1 Found (http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14532/?tab=14&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fmodbugs%2F%3Fid%3D14532&pUp=1)I'll continue with the process.Be back in a while. reasons: it's not in the first saved game file sent to me. "Dinoshelf.esp" being picked up by the manager, it's not in the first text sent with astrix before the plugin names sent here either. That html can use the browser search for the name and it's only found on the plugin.txt file and inside the coded saved game file but is not read by the managers. you find out why that is. Who made the mod? provide a link to the page. I have something to show you.https://mega.nz/#!fIoziCKT!YMzCdZSA7bhRokvSAGBiczp8YzcAxjAVIZxPSvH_yWc now, these two items were provided by you and are not the same thing. information is important. its both located in C:\Users\Users Name\AppData\Local\Fallout 4, the first plugin is from plugins.txt, the second plugin i post is from a file call DLCList.txt. After i check both of them out: plugins txt seems to have many ESP that didnt exist in my game anymore like i said above, they are unistall a long time ago and it also missing lots of the new mods plugin i install ever since i updare the game to v1.5 ( when they change how mods work ). THe plugins txt( one with asterisk) in Appdata/Local i send you is somehow outdated, it didnt have any new mods i install like since v1.5m all esp int here are old and mostly being remove a long time ago. Sorry i didnt check it before posting.THE DLCList (right side of the tested.htm you send me) is more accurate, though it mess up. SO this time: i will export the current ESP/load order from the NMM by export the load order straight from it, so this is the newest and most accurate esp i currently have: GameMode=Fallout4 Fallout4.esm=1DLCRobot.esm=1DLCworkshop01.esm=1DLCCoast.esm=1DLCworkshop02.esm=1DLCworkshop03.esm=1DLCNukaWorld.esm=1Robot Home Defence.esm=1Snap'n Build.esm=1ConcealedArmor.esm=1SettlementKeywords.esm=1Homemaker.esm=1DLC_MainMenu.esm=1ArmorKeywords.esm=1CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm=1PipBoyCustomisationFramework.esm=1AA FusionCityRising.esp=1DLC_MainMenu_Inject.esp=1DLC_PATCH_Full.esp=1The Collector's Guides AIO.esp=1Build High - Expanded Settlements.esp=1Merchants stick with store - Unique Settlers.esp=1AkaSinger.esp=1Eli_PlantPots.esp=1Vault Meat Paintings.esp=1SchoolDeskObject.esp=1OCDispenser.esp=1AlternateSettlements.esp=1OCDecorator.esp=1Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp=1CHKWeightless.esp=1NX Pro - Farm Core.esp=1PPH Max.esp=1RaiderOverhaul.esp=1SuperMutantOverhaul.esp=1Common Wealth Store.esp=1FCOM.esp=1SRM.esp=1SRM_Corpse6.esp=1ToggleFanning.esp=1SurvivalOptions.esp=1AkaWaterWorld.esp=1ShootingTarget.esp=1g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp=1MadeleineInkPictures.esp=1Campsite.esp=1CabinInTheWoods.esp=1RedRocketReborn.esp=1OCDecorator - No Experience.esp=1WoodenPrefabsExtended.esp=1NX Pro - Harvest Overhaul.esp=1OCD FarHarborDLC.esp=1NX Pro - Farm Core - Homemaker.esp=1Craftable_Blossom_Trees.esp=1SettleObjExpandPack.esp=1AWARHERO Japanese Decor Pack.esp=1dinoshelf.esp=1DD_bobblehead_stands.esp=1Friffy_Fixed Curtains.esp=1LongerPowerLines3x.esp=1IncreasedSettlerPopulation100.esp=1Live Dismemberment - BrutalNoHeadshots.esp=1a89_pipboycustom.esp=1SMH.esp=1SettlersRename.esp=1BetterSettlers.esp=1DiverseChildren.esp=1Orphans.esp=1Orphans-DCMS.esp=1Merchants stick with store - Regular settlers.esp=1ImmersiveVendors.esp=1VendorCaps_50k.esp=1CarryWeight2000.esp=1FO4Hotkeys.esp=1Faster EXP - 5x.esp=1MoreShipments_50.esp=1ShipmentSize_125.esp=1Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1VC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete.esp=1PBCF_Seed.esp=1GorillasForAll.esp=1ArtilleryQuickfire.esp=1DV-Invincible Vertibirds.esp=1Tactical Flashlights.esp=1ArtilleryFlare.esp=1AkaSingersWardrobe.esp=1Smoke-able Cigars.esp=1VisibleWeapons.esp=1Locky Bastard.esp=1TakeCover.esp=1ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp=1AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1KSHairdos.esp=1MoreHairstyles4Female.esp=1MoreHairstyles4Male.esp=1Glowing Eyes.esp=1The Eyes Of Beauty.esp=1MiscHairstyle.esp=1MoreBeards.esp=1LovingCurie_1.0.3b.esp=1LovingPiper-TrueReporterSE.esp=1FF Cait Clean.esp=1LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1LooksMenu.esp=1CBBE.esp=1UniquePlayer.esp=1Armorsmith Extended.esp=1Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp=1Armorsmith Deserter X.esp=1Armorsmith Elianora.esp=1Armorsmith Pack It Up.esp=1Heavy BoS.esp=1SkyrimInspiredPowerArmor.esp=1The Space Marine.esp=1Vasstek_Vaultsuit.esp=1Nanohelmet.esp=1ValdacilsItemSorting - Raider Overhaul TAGS.esp=1ConcealedArmor.esp=1EnclaveX02.esp=1combat_PA.esp=1combat_PA - AWKCR.esp=1ShadeArmorIV.esp=1DX_Overboss_Outfit.esp=1tank_PA.esp=1tank_PA - AWKCR.esp=1rfortaleza2.esp=1Headcrab_Bunny.esp=1Taboolicious_StreetBrawler.esp=1HN66-SiriusArmor.esp=1zAdaWongSpy.esp=1Lacy Underwear.esp=1PhotoLight.esp=1CHT-AnimalEars.esp=1AzarHolsteredWeapons.esp=1zWInsanity.esp=1BlackRoseRedux.esp=1NanoSuit.esp=1TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp=1TNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.esp=1Wasteland Ranger Outfit.esp=1Holsters & sheaths.esp=1crysis2nanosuit.esp=1NukaRadBans.esp=1zgcquiet.esp=1MonnoBikini.esp=1rpampas.esp=1Mercenary.esp=1CROSS_Cybernetics.esp=1CROSS_Uni_Headset.esp=1NanoSuit_AWKCR_AE.esp=1rfortaleza2_AE.esp=1batmanbeyond.esp=1K9TacticalHarness.esp=1IF88TacShotgun.esp=1RangerSequoiaCraft.esp=1CROSS_PlasRail.esp=1Chainsaw.esp=1VarmintRifle.esp=1mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp=1tsuki no hana.esp=1Glove Ports.esp=1Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp=1P220.esp=1DOOMMerged.esp=1SCAR-L.esp=1Makeshift-Anti Materiel Rifle.esp=1AEAR01.esp=1CROSS_FireworksCannon.esp=1OTs-02 Kiparis.esp=1TrenchGun.esp=1MikeMooresMCAM.esp=1VarmintRifle - AWKCR-VIS-VW.esp=1Skibs-IF54Redux.esp=19mmPistol.esp=1MSR_SniperRifle.esp=1Modern Firearms.esp=1LCAR9_SMG_FO4.esp=1WM Heavy Machine Gun - Standalone.esp=1Skibs-223PistolRedux.esp=1Skibs-IF88Redux.esp=1AssaultFlamer.esp=1GrenadeExpansionPack.esp=1GrenadeExpansionPackValsPatch.esp=1AN94.esp=1AKM.esp=1mk14.esp=1Fusion Gun.esp=1Skibs-WH77Redux.esp=1SPECIALWeddingRingsAll.esp=1More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp=1MoreAmmo.esp=1GeniusGamePerk.esp=1LongRangeBulletHoles.esp=1Clean Water - Tropical.esp=1EnhancedGrass_Low.esp=1Vivid Weathers - FO4.esp=1Vivid Weathers - FO4 - Far Harbor.esp=1Vivid Weathers - Nuka World.esp=1CWSS Redux.esp=1Animated Drinking.esp=1TheFridge.esp=1RightHandedHuntingRifle.esp=1Reload Sounds.esp=1AkaInvisibleFurniture.esp=1Eli_Bunker.esp=1Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - AiO.esp=1LegendaryModification.esp=1LegendaryModification2LM.esp=1LegendaryModification2LMConcealed.esp=1LegendaryModificationMisc.esp=1LegendaryModificationCSA.esp=1LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp=1LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp=1LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM).esp=1LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor (2LM Concealed).esp=1Crafting Workbench.esp=1Crafting Workbenches - Removed Crafting Experience.esp=1Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp=1Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp=1Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp=1Scrap Everything - Core.esp=1Scrap Everything - Automatron.esp=1Scrap Everything - Far Harbor.esp=1companion_DogBots.esp=1th1nkEyebot.esp=1th1nkEyeBot-FarHarbor.esp=1th1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.esp=1th1nkEyeBot-DLC03DLC04Addon.esp=1Danse GTFO Power Armor.esp=1Companion Fall Damage Immunity.esp=1Companion_BloodRose.esp=1Ada2Human.esp=1Wintermute.esp=1WintermuteCustomBodyTextures.esp=1Ada2HumanWintermutePatch.esp=1ellen.esp=1EFF.esp=1My_Minutemen.esp=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 ok, now we understand things better.Caution, IF what you said is true? "are you aware" there was an issue related directly too what I have found here? with Do IT Your Self's mod? please read the page I linked, it's for your benefit. The bug I found in the archive is a direct result from the older mod.lol, ok, this is just the first one I detected and it writes as intentional to saved game files, rather has a control script for that very purpose. If you find any of this interesting ? please don't hesitate to let me know. I am downloading that package on my phone as I see the servers are having problems tonight. but, the saved game sent first is what i will deal with becasue that's the starting point. Adding stuff is cool, removing stuff is not so it's better I stick to the processes started. On the pages listed under this authors BUG sheets, there is another user whom posted about the other mod plugin I also found too in the Alphabet order of C that's another plugin not showing up in the manager as well but is held in the saved game archive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I had to switch networks due to server issues"time outs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAlexKing96 Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) ok, now we understand things better.Caution, IF what you said is true? "are you aware" there was an issue related directly too what I have found here? with Do IT Your Self's mod? please read the page I linked, it's for your benefit. The bug I found in the archive is a direct result from the older mod.lol, ok, this is just the first one I detected and it writes as intentional to saved game files, rather has a control script for that very purpose. If you find any of this interesting ? please don't hesitate to let me know. I am downloading that package on my phone as I see the servers are having problems tonight. but, the saved game sent first is what i will deal with becasue that's the starting point. Adding stuff is cool, removing stuff is not so it's better I stick to the processes started. On the pages listed under this authors BUG sheets, there is another user whom posted about the other mod plugin I also found too in the Alphabet order of C that's another plugin not showing up in the manager as well but is held in the saved game archive.Hmm.. SO what do i do with "Do it YourSelf " mod now? Is it because i re-install the mod before and choose to remove extraammo.esp and Cleanshelf.esp to save some Plugins slot? or the problem is in the main dinoshelf esp itself? and what to do with it (how to solve)? How come it not cause problem before, i mean it just shelves, container, how could it cause CTDs in a specific area of Sanctuary, which dont even have anything from Do it yourself place on top of it?i read about the bug, the extraammo.esp, i already remove it before these CTDs happened. Besides it just "Graphics bugs" Edited December 15, 2016 by xheox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purr4me Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Hmm.. SO what do i do with "Do it YourSelf " mod? Is it because i re-install the mod before and choose to remove extraammo.esp and Cleanshelf.esp to save some Plugins slot? or the problem is in the main dinoshelf esp itself? and what to do with it (how to solve)? How come it not cause problem before, i mean it just shelves, container, how could it cause CTDs in a specific area of Sanctuary, which dont even have anything from Do it yourself place on top of it?Do nothing until I am done, play the game or another ,just give me the needed time to sort things out. New one (ellen.esp) not listed shown by the manager reader. I am doing [ F ] files now. The latest packages need to be installed for that mod if I read things correctly and you said you had the older ones running. IF it's working now, leave it alone.Some times a group of mods and load order in combination with a bug can cause all sorts of strange things to occur. There are groups set up here for troubleshooting I must adhere too. 1 problem at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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