What can be done to defuse America?

[RGMage2]

What America needs is one good man or woman who can step forward and speak the truth on all things so that others may hear it and see it, and when they don't know the truth, then openly admit to ignorance, which in its own way is also truth. Instead you've got leaders on all sides who can only spin a lie as the truth but in reality never speak it. Dishonesty has become like a cancer in the body of the American nation. Your nation seems devoid of moral and ethical leadership from top down. The idea of people taking responsibility for their actions has become an anachronism, and a simple word like honor, now so misused and misunderstood to the point where it has become a word without meaning. To act honorably or to have honorable intentions, do American leaders even know what that means anymore when all their critical thinking is done by spin doctors. You glorify a culture of grotesque and excessive violence and self indulgent materialism while holding to a false belief in your own exceptional nature as you crusade to remake all the world in your own image, and then you are dumbfounded and bewildered when the world dares to resist.

 

What you need is one good man or woman who can shine a light into the darkness and show you the path. In a nation of 327 million is there not one who can step forward?

 

 

TLDR: it's about leadership

[TheMastersSon]

RGMage2, I stopped waiting for a national hero when Nixon was elected, and imo the answer to your last question is no. For me, the last 40+ years have been lifted directly out of a Twilight Zone episode, with not a single one of these same 327 million Americans willing to stand up and not only advocate but demand an end to the outrage of exposing free market labor forces (including and primarily our own) to competition with totalitarian Communism. And Most Favored Nation trading status for a country which recognizes no individual rights etc etc.

 

I completely agree with your point about top-down decay. IMO our federal government lost its right to recognition with its wholesale violation of our Constitution since 1971, a literal selling out of America's labor force, middle class, standard of living and way of life, and especially since 911. It has zero right to ask or even expect the American people to adhere to Constitutional law when it refuses to do so itself. As mentioned, imo the collapse of our federal courts post-911 is the final nail in the coffin of this current government. Very few options exist now and none of them are pretty or tidy.

Edited September 8, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[TexMex477]

RGMage2, I stopped waiting for a national hero when Nixon was elected

 

Agree I mean ending segregation and starting EPA were both bad things. Leave it to racist republicans to end racism. :sleep:

Really what Nixon did compares to nothing that occurred this year just different time and one side doesn't care about law because they lost election.

What he did was wrong by all standards but now days it is joke considering we have people going on national television releasing top secret information.

http://youtu.be/V78LtEcl8Q4

 

 

Wiretapping done by Nixon

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/23/us/nixon-loses-ruling-in-wiretapping-case.html

Hillary's connection to watergate

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/02/25/hillary-fired-lies-unethical-behavior-congressional-job-former-boss

 

Wiretapping done by Obama

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/susan-rice-ordered-unmasking-trump-team-intel-bloo/

Edited September 8, 2017 by TexMex477

[TheMastersSon]

What he did was wrong by all standards but now days it is joke considering we have people going on national television releasing top secret information.

Before Nixon "opened the gates the China" our country lost exactly zero jobs to artificially cheap Communist labor, because the global free market was properly limited to free countries. Regardless of anyone's political bent, the bottom line is that freedom isn't free, and individual rights (not to mention environmental and 1,000 other standards which all businesses in all capitalist countries are required to follow) cost enormous amounts of money. Communist countries including China simply wash their hands of these costs simply because they can do so, and are accountable to nobody. No possibility of competition with free market capitalism exists, yet our federal government has been forcing this competition for 45 years now. My only surprise is that it took this long for our country to wind up in de facto bankruptcy with our trade and treasury wide open to totalitarian Communism.

[HeyYou]

 

What he did was wrong by all standards but now days it is joke considering we have people going on national television releasing top secret information.

Before Nixon "opened the gates the China" our country lost exactly zero jobs to artificially cheap Communist labor, because the global free market was properly limited to free countries. Regardless of anyone's political bent, the bottom line is that freedom isn't free, and individual rights (not to mention environmental and 1,000 other standards which all businesses in all capitalist countries are required to follow) cost enormous amounts of money. Communist countries including China simply wash their hands of these costs simply because they can do so, and are accountable to nobody. No possibility of competition with free market capitalism exists, yet our federal government has been forcing this competition for 45 years now. My only surprise is that it took this long for our country to wind up in de facto bankruptcy with our trade and treasury wide open to totalitarian Communism.

 

Trouble is, there are too many people in power, or, with LOTS of money, that profit heavily from the status quo. These are the very same people that have the ability to change things. They won't though, as that would not put as much money in their own pockets. They really couldn't care less about disappearance of the middle class in America.

[Fkemman11]

What America needs is one good man or woman who can step forward and speak the truth on all things so that others may hear it and see it, and when they don't know the truth, then openly admit to ignorance, which in its own way is also truth. Instead you've got leaders on all sides who can only spin a lie as the truth but in reality never speak it. Dishonesty has become like a cancer in the body of the American nation. Your nation seems devoid of moral and ethical leadership from top down. The idea of people taking responsibility for their actions has become an anachronism, and a simple word like honor, now so misused and misunderstood to the point where it has become a word without meaning. To act honorably or to have honorable intentions, do American leaders even know what that means anymore when all their critical thinking is done by spin doctors. You glorify a culture of grotesque and excessive violence and self indulgent materialism while holding to a false belief in your own exceptional nature as you crusade to remake all the world in your own image, and then you are dumbfounded and bewildered when the world dares to resist.

 

What you need is one good man or woman who can shine a light into the darkness and show you the path. In a nation of 327 million is there not one who can step forward?

 

 

TLDR: it's about leadership

No. Its about honesty and credibility among all ppl- something that is in its death throes in modern society. If you want things to change in your part of the world- then you should look no further than yourself. A good leader IMO, is one with vision of a bigger picture and plans on how to achieve it. But modern society is just too large for any one or small group of leaders to effectively govern anymore and as power is delegated through subordinates goals of the one become fractured and diluted to the point of shallow mandates with little reason. In other words the chain of command is only as effective as the local leader that guides through day to day operations. It is as I have said, the focus and will of the people need to be about a common goal in order to achieve a more perfect union. Right now there is no common goal. I have a vision for uniting the world to explore and settle other planets in the universe- for instance- but, it is something that I could only start and possibly lay the foundation for. Where it goes after that is entirely up to the new generations. I will just add that old ideas of nationality would not be part of the future I have in mind. The greatest dilemma of any grand restructuring of a world's society of people will be the design of it's governing body. The reliance on just a few elected officials that tries to grow and expand with a society has already proven to be inefficient at best. The voice of the few or the one is drown out by the voices of the many. A government where ALL voices are heard would be the driving idea behind a new govt that could more effectively serve the people. In a way I would envision all and none to be leaders at the same time. How could this be done? That is the question. Open debate on all issues would solve this to some extent- but someone would still have to make a decision at the end. Who would that be and what would be their function? A group of randomly selected individuals such as in a court case? Also who would ensure that the decisions are carried out? These are some things that need serious consideration by all.

[kvnchrist]

Has anyone looked at the willful dumbing down of American society and the pettiness of self aggrandizing humor we have instituted here. We used to have a good sense of humor and virtually no one took offense to it. Now, we have to tiptoe through the landmines of others hypersensitivities even to make it through the day.

 

What we have is a society of irrational fear of people who don't thing the way we do and it ends up us yelling at eachother, instead of us listening and debating respectfully, one another.

[HeyYou]

Has anyone looked at the willful dumbing down of American society and the pettiness of self aggrandizing humor we have instituted here. We used to have a good sense of humor and virtually no one took offense to it. Now, we have to tiptoe through the landmines of others hypersensitivities even to make it through the day.

 

What we have is a society of irrational fear of people who don't thing the way we do and it ends up us yelling at eachother, instead of us listening and debating respectfully, one another.

And that's a relatively recent phenomenon..... Started in the last decade. I don't recall any constitutional conventions that added the 'right to never be exposed to something you may find offensive'......... Our society is in serious decline.... The cops in Portland Oregon are going to no longer refer to gang members, as 'gang members'..... as it hurts their employability when they get out of prison....... We are going to 'politically correct' ourselves into our graves.

[Fkemman11]

 

Has anyone looked at the willful dumbing down of American society and the pettiness of self aggrandizing humor we have instituted here. We used to have a good sense of humor and virtually no one took offense to it. Now, we have to tiptoe through the landmines of others hypersensitivities even to make it through the day.

 

What we have is a society of irrational fear of people who don't thing the way we do and it ends up us yelling at eachother, instead of us listening and debating respectfully, one another.

And that's a relatively recent phenomenon..... Started in the last decade. I don't recall any constitutional conventions that added the 'right to never be exposed to something you may find offensive'......... Our society is in serious decline.... The cops in Portland Oregon are going to no longer refer to gang members, as 'gang members'..... as it hurts their employability when they get out of prison....... We are going to 'politically correct' ourselves into our graves.

 

You mean "former inmate" would not hurt their employment chances as well? :happy: But I completely agree with you here.

[HeyYou]

 

 

Has anyone looked at the willful dumbing down of American society and the pettiness of self aggrandizing humor we have instituted here. We used to have a good sense of humor and virtually no one took offense to it. Now, we have to tiptoe through the landmines of others hypersensitivities even to make it through the day.

 

What we have is a society of irrational fear of people who don't thing the way we do and it ends up us yelling at eachother, instead of us listening and debating respectfully, one another.

And that's a relatively recent phenomenon..... Started in the last decade. I don't recall any constitutional conventions that added the 'right to never be exposed to something you may find offensive'......... Our society is in serious decline.... The cops in Portland Oregon are going to no longer refer to gang members, as 'gang members'..... as it hurts their employability when they get out of prison....... We are going to 'politically correct' ourselves into our graves.

 

You mean "former inmate" would not hurt their employment chances as well? :happy: But I completely agree with you here.

 

Suppose that depends on what job they are applying for. :) Although, I don't see too many ads for "thugs" or "enforcers" in the local paper.... not even in the detroit paper. :D