Racial Tolerance or Just an Act?

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

PoorlyAged, on 08 May 2017 - 5:11 PM, said:

 

Skagens, on 08 May 2017 - 3:16 PM, said:

I'm not going to say we're not all of the same race. Because we are. What I would argue though is that humankind, like many other species, have sub-species. From personal experience, one only needs to open their eyes to see that there are vast and major differences between people. These differences I and many others perceive as major are what I think you consider to be superficial.

 

You can call me a racist, bigoted and all the other slurs if you want. They have been thrown around and used so many times, the words have lost their meaning completely. I'm not going to use any sources because I don't feel like I need to. I have the opinions I have because they have been shaped by personal experience over years.

 

By definition, the subspecies of a species cannot interbreed and produce viable offspring. So please list the subspecies of human being which cannot interbreed and produce viable offspring. You cannot, because such subspecies of human beings do not exist. We fornicate like rabbits and we produce viable offspring, regardless of the pairings.

 

 

Fkemman11, on 08 May 2017 - 3:43 PM, said:

If it is true that a person might unfairly categorize another based on perceived or imagined differences, might it also be true that someone could be offended by a perceived or imagined slight? For instance if I say that "You have red hair" couldn't that person think​ that I meant it as an insult? If everyone tiptoes around not making any comments lest they be misconstrued then how can people be expected to ever say anything meaningful or true? By my reckoning the further down that path we go -the less anyone will have to say to each other. And if the argument is that you must know a person before you can judge them then wouldn't that have the effect of causing more isolationist behavior? Is that a good thing?

 

What is delivered as insult and what is perceived as insult is as variable as there are individuals. However; show me the literature which has been published which defines red hair as an inferior trait in human beings and indicates that a red haired human being is no better than livestock. You cannot. Yet there are piles of literature which use skin tone, religion, locale of origin or social practices as means of defining another human being as inferior. Delivering a statement based on one of these characteristics to an individual possessing the characteristic can easily be meant and perceived as an insult.

 

And what your are addressing with this analogy is not racism, but hate speech. Specifically words and phrases which have as their sole purpose the inflaming of passion and anger. And such hate speech and inflammatory words should be as socially proscribed as yelling fire in a theater when no fire exists. And just to demonstrate how powerful these inflammatory words are, consider how they would impact your psyche where you habitually addressed with them. From this point forward, you are "Honky".

 

Finally Honky, please explain to me how addressing someone using terms which demean them as a member of some perceived group will help bring people together?

 

(Edit. I was going to use Klansman instead of Honky, but who knows? You might take the former as a compliment.)

 

 

He used Red hair as an EXAMPLE. Nowhere did he say having red hair was bad. Are you just LOOKING for things to nitpick about?

 

 

And I followed his example to a logical place.

 

No. Only by your convoluted logic. If you can even call it that.

[Fkemman11]

So making an innocuous observation about another is still considered hate speech if the group or individual of said observation chooses it to be? Then it is up to the group or individual to choose​ to take offence at a particular statement -whether intended as insult or not- and then promptly label the statement as indicative of this or that. I ​choose​ not to be offended by you calling me "honky" whether you meant it as insult or not. Now do you understand what I am saying? By a simple analogy- if one goes looking for insult then they will find it very quickly.

 

What it boils down to in my estimation is a trust issue. If you do not trust the intentions of a group or individual then you will tend to more closely scrutinize everything about them. And where there is mistrust then that tends to cause insecurity and anger. The common reason behind insulting another is to make one feel better about themselves- at the expense of the feelings of others. In a sense one should pity the offending groups or person as their insult is an indication of hate and insecurity born of fear. Now what that fear may be? It is anyone's guess.

[PoorlyAged]

You may never speak again lest you offend someone. Sew your lips shut and chop off you hands. You are forbidden to ever utter another sound or make a hand gesture because someone may take offense. In fact, cut off your arms, as someone might be offended if you raise them in excitement. Cut off your legs too, we can't have you dancing as someone may be offended. And take out your eyeballs, because a sideways glance may offend some one. Oh hell, just lop off your head. Then you will never offend someone.

 

Or just put yourself in the place of someone else and choose not to be deliberately offensive. Just keep some comments to yourself because you know they will offend. You know, empathy. That ability to feel what someone else may be feeling. Just remember what your mama taught you. If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything.

 

And as I alluded to earlier, there are as many definitions of what is offensive as there are people. So we are all going to offend someone sometime. The trick is to not do it deliberately a second time. That is when it becomes hate speech.

And you are going to find thin skinned people everywhere. Get over it. It is a fact of life and as sure as our inevitable demise. Learn to live with it or find a cave and bar the entrance, because whining about it is counter productive. Their thin skin is their problem. Your inability to deal with it is your problem.

[Skagens]

 

I'm not going to say we're not all of the same race. Because we are. What I would argue though is that humankind, like many other species, have sub-species. From personal experience, one only needs to open their eyes to see that there are vast and major differences between people. These differences I and many others perceive as major are what I think you consider to be superficial.

 

You can call me a racist, bigoted and all the other slurs if you want. They have been thrown around and used so many times, the words have lost their meaning completely. I'm not going to use any sources because I don't feel like I need to. I have the opinions I have because they have been shaped by personal experience over years.

 

By definition, the subspecies of a species cannot interbreed and produce viable offspring. So please list the subspecies of human being which cannot interbreed and produce viable offspring. You cannot, because such subspecies of human beings do not exist. We fornicate like rabbits and we produce viable offspring, regardless of the pairings.

 

Within zoology, a species is divided into subspecies when the species contains separate evolutionary development lines. That is, different populations of the same species are separated so that genetic differences between the populations arise, but the differences are no greater than that a male and a female from each subspecies still can have fertile offspring together. The division of the populations is often of geographical or ecological nature, such as a sea or desert. If a subspecies can no longer have viable offspring with another subspecies, they are no longer subspecies, but rather another species entirely.

 

People from Italy and America can easily breed with people from Somalia or China because we are all of the human race. We being of the same race is not being disputed, but that there are significant enough differences among us (people) so that there are subspecies. I'm sorry, but I will probably never believe that I am exactly the same biologically, as an Asian or a Somalian because I can quite clearly see the differences among us.

[PoorlyAged]

 

 

I'm not going to say we're not all of the same race. Because we are. What I would argue though is that humankind, like many other species, have sub-species. From personal experience, one only needs to open their eyes to see that there are vast and major differences between people. These differences I and many others perceive as major are what I think you consider to be superficial.

 

You can call me a racist, bigoted and all the other slurs if you want. They have been thrown around and used so many times, the words have lost their meaning completely. I'm not going to use any sources because I don't feel like I need to. I have the opinions I have because they have been shaped by personal experience over years.

 

By definition, the subspecies of a species cannot interbreed and produce viable offspring. So please list the subspecies of human being which cannot interbreed and produce viable offspring. You cannot, because such subspecies of human beings do not exist. We fornicate like rabbits and we produce viable offspring, regardless of the pairings.

 

Within zoology, a species is divided into subspecies when the species contains separate evolutionary development lines. That is, different populations of the same species are separated so that genetic differences between the populations arise, but the differences are no greater than that a male and a female from each subspecies still can have fertile offspring together. The division of the populations is often of geographical or ecological nature, such as a sea or desert. If a subspecies can no longer have viable offspring with another subspecies, they are no longer subspecies, but rather another species entirely.

 

People from Italy and America can easily breed with people from Somalia or China because we are all of the human race. We being of the same race is not being disputed, but that there are significant enough differences among us (people) so that there are subspecies. I'm sorry, but I will probably never believe that I am exactly the same biologically, as an Asian or a Somalian because I can quite clearly see the differences among us.

 

 

Zoology it is.

 

In zoology, the species Homo Sapiens was defined without a defining specimen as reference. So the zoological species Homo Sapiens covers a host of extinct hominids from aethiopicus to cro-magnonensis. Zoology does recognize two sub-species of Homo Sapiens. Homo Sapiens idaltu, a extinct hominid found fossilized in Ethiopia. The other is Homo Sapiens sapiens, or modern humans and the only living sub-species of Homo Sapiens. Homo Sapiens sapiens has no sub-sub-species and so there is no zoological sub division of human beings. There is no taxonomic distinction within the species Homo Sapiens sapiens.

 

And what you 'see' are defined as phenotypical traits. These phenotyhpical traits are curtural, polymorphnic (found in diverse populations), or clinal (gradually variable over geography). These phenotypical traits do not provide significant distinction among Homo Sapiens sapiens to constitute a viable definition of race. In simpler terms, what you see are superficial characteristics.

 

And with that we have covered biology, genetics and zoology. Each of these sciences state that there is no such thing as 'race'.

 

So where do we go next? How else can one justify racism?

Edited May 10, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[Fatalmasterpiece]

 

So where do we go next? How else can one justify racism?

 

:thumbsup:

 

This thread needs to be renamed to: "Racial tolerance or who took mah jerbs!?"

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Or, "I can't get along with other races, but it's their fault - not mine"

 

 

In a sense one should pity the offending groups or person as their insult is an indication of hate and insecurity born of fear. Now what that fear may be? It is anyone's guess.

Well at least you are self aware, after all what better example of fear than someone who is afraid of those who want to speak another language other than English? :confused:

[PoorlyAged]

 

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This thread needs to be renamed to: "Racial tolerance or who took mah jerbs!?"

 

< prune >

 

I think you trivialize the issue with comments like this. There are those for whom racism is far more than jobs. For them, racism is a social misanthropy which allows them to hate, marginalize, minimize, dismiss and discount another human being for no other reason than the quantity of melanin in their skin, the language they speak, what god they worship or where they were born. Several mental health professionals have likened racism to a psychosis and a dissociative disorder or a denial of reality. But these people learned their racism at their mothers tit and for them, there is simply no other way the world can exist. It is sad really, because these people are unable to see and appreciate the infinite variety that is the human species. Their self imposed blinders limit their ability to feel empathy for anyone that isn't like them, so the joys and sufferings of others are distant and unimportant. These people isolate themselves from the larger part of humanity which isn't like them and by this isolation, diminish their own humanity.

Edited May 10, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[HeyYou]

There is always going to be racism. Until the human race has interbred sufficiently that there simply aren't that many differences between us. So long as some folks look different, there are those that will discriminate against them. And this isn't just a problem for the US, it's everywhere, the only thing that changes is who is being discriminated against.

 

It's real simple, so long as there are folks shouting DISCRIMINATION!!!!! There will be racism.

Edited May 10, 2017 by HeyYou

[PoorlyAged]

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

[HeyYou]

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.