Racial Tolerance or Just an Act?

[Harbringe]

 

 

 

Zoology it is.

 

In zoology, the species Homo Sapiens was defined without a defining specimen as reference. So the zoological species Homo Sapiens covers a host of extinct hominids from aethiopicus to cro-magnonensis. Zoology does recognize two sub-species of Homo Sapiens. Homo Sapiens idaltu, a extinct hominid found fossilized in Ethiopia. The other is Homo Sapiens sapiens, or modern humans and the only living sub-species of Homo Sapiens. Homo Sapiens sapiens has no sub-sub-species and so there is no zoological sub division of human beings. There is no taxonomic distinction within the species Homo Sapiens sapiens.

 

And what you 'see' are defined as phenotypical traits. These phenotyhpical traits are curtural, polymorphnic (found in diverse populations), or clinal (gradually variable over geography). These phenotypical traits do not provide significant distinction among Homo Sapiens sapiens to constitute a viable definition of race. In simpler terms, what you see are superficial characteristics.

 

And with that we have covered biology, genetics and zoology. Each of these sciences state that there is no such thing as 'race'.

 

So where do we go next? How else can one justify racism?

 

phenotypical

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Related to phenotypical: genotypical, Phenotypic plasticity, phenotypic variation phe·no·type (fē′nə-tīp′)

n.

1.

a. The observable physical or biochemical characteristics of an organism, as determined by both genetic makeup and environmental influences.

b. The expression of a specific trait, such as stature or blood type, based on genetic and environmental influences.

2. An individual or group of organisms exhibiting a particular phenotype.

Cultural has no application when determining phenotype

The problem with discussions like this is that there are phenotypical differences but race is a poor definition for it . The best we have come up with is Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Australoid/Negroid , but because there is so much gradation between these 4 major groupings even these do not address it entirely. It especially becomes a problem when say looking at the Nilotic tribes of S Sudan who average 6'4' males/6'0' females and the Pygmies hundreds of miles south who average under 5 feet. Clearly phenotypical differences and try as you might your not going to convince them they are the same.

As for much of your arguments I find you conflate species with race and they were never meant to be the same thing. Which is problematic as race is a poor definition , but another problem is that no one has ever come up with anything better to describe the phenotypical differences that exist among people.

[PoorlyAged]

 

 

 

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phenotypical

Also found in: Thesaurus, Medical, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.

Related to phenotypical: genotypical, Phenotypic plasticity, phenotypic variation phe·no·type (fē′nə-tīp′)

n.

1.

a. The observable physical or biochemical characteristics of an organism, as determined by both genetic makeup and environmental influences.

b. The expression of a specific trait, such as stature or blood type, based on genetic and environmental influences.

2. An individual or group of organisms exhibiting a particular phenotype.

Cultural has no application when determining phenotype

The problem with discussions like this is that there are phenotypical differences but race is a poor definition for it . The best we have come up with is Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Australoid/Negroid , but because there is so much gradation between these 4 major groupings even these do not address it entirely. It especially becomes a problem when say looking at the Nilotic tribes of S Sudan who average 6'4' males/6'0' females and the Pygmies hundreds of miles south who average under 5 feet. Clearly phenotypical differences and try as you might your not going to convince them they are the same.

As for much of your arguments I find you conflate species with race and they were never meant to be the same thing. Which is problematic as race is a poor definition , but another problem is that no one has ever come up with anything better to describe the phenotypical differences that exist among people.

 

 

In science, the term race is used with extreme caution because it can be terribly ambiguous. Generally, when the word 'race' is used it is effectively a synonym of subspecies. For animals, the only taxonomic unit below species is sub species. So scientifically, race is the semantic equivalent of subspecies and not some conflation created by me.

 

And the "races" you define are an arbitrary construct which has proven to be more idea than reality. And the reasons were as expressed earlier; they are phenotypical traits which vary within the classifications. These classifications are not based on any real science and are therefore no longer in general use by the scientific community.

 

Finally, culture does create phenotypical traits which are observable. Language, dress, food preferences, mannerisms etc are all cultural, and all are "observable physical or biochemical characteristics of an organism, as determined by both genetic makeup and environmental influences".

Edited May 11, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[PoorlyAged]

 

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.

 

 

Nobody said that racism didn't cut both ways. But didn't your mamma teach you anything. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Edited May 11, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[Fkemman11]

 

 

 

 

Nobody said that racism didn't cut both ways. But didn't your mamma teach you anything. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

 

Well if racism "cuts both ways" I don't think some silly generalization from anyone's "momma" is going to do anything to try and solve it. The cycle of hate needs to be broken in some way. People that make arguments about the why of it and how it might be solved are basing their arguments on their own biased opinion to some degree. The question is how might this problem be looked at impartially? It cant be by any human now can it. So maybe a software program?

 

But you are right in that one party or the other in a racist society needs to take the first steps towards reconciliation if these wounds are ever going to be healed. The problem right now is that the one side does not seem to accept an apology or admittance of any wrong-doing. They do not want equality. They want to be dominant.

[HeyYou]

 

 

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.

 

 

Nobody said that racism didn't cut both ways. But didn't your mamma teach you anything. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

My momma taught me a lot of things that yours obviously neglected.

 

I stated a fact. It isn't disputable, for any rational person. Racism exists, and it always will. You can cry and moan, and make any claims you care to, and it won't change a thing. There will still be racism. It isn't something you can legislate away. It isn't something you can educate away. It isn't something you can threaten away. it is human nature to not trust that which is different from themselves. Nothing you do or say is going to change that.

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Nobody said that racism didn't cut both ways. But didn't your mamma teach you anything. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

 

Well if racism "cuts both ways" I don't think some silly generalization from anyone's "momma" is going to do anything to try and solve it. The cycle of hate needs to be broken in some way. People that make arguments about the why of it and how it might be solved are basing their arguments on their own biased opinion to some degree. The question is how might this problem be looked at impartially? It cant be by any human now can it. So maybe a software program?

 

But you are right in that one party or the other in a racist society needs to take the first steps towards reconciliation if these wounds are ever going to be healed. The problem right now is that the one side does not seem to accept an apology or admittance of any wrong-doing. They do not want equality. They want to be dominant.

 

 

The only way anyone can change racist attitudes and behaviors is to change the person in the mirror. And that change starts when people admit to themselves that they are a racist and take responsibility for eradicating racism in themselves. But I seriously doubt that will happen because from what I read here the pervading attitude is "their racist, not me"; which is a very large crock of caca.

[PoorlyAged]

 

 

 

Racism is not about people screaming 'discrimination'.

 

Racism is people denying their fellow human beings their dignity and then whining when their victims fight back.

Get your head out of the sand. Racism goes both ways. The Black Lives Matter folks are the finest example. They scream and cry when a minority is killed by the white police officer, but they say nothing about the thousands killed every year by their own 'kind'. They ignore facts, and make up their own.

 

 

Nobody said that racism didn't cut both ways. But didn't your mamma teach you anything. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

My momma taught me a lot of things that yours obviously neglected.

 

I stated a fact. It isn't disputable, for any rational person. Racism exists, and it always will. You can cry and moan, and make any claims you care to, and it won't change a thing. There will still be racism. It isn't something you can legislate away. It isn't something you can educate away. It isn't something you can threaten away. it is human nature to not trust that which is different from themselves. Nothing you do or say is going to change that.

 

 

Black Live Matter is no worse than the Ku Klux Klan. These misanthropes openly preach the wholesale murder of blacks, Jews and Mexicans. But you have whined about BLM twice and never mentioned the KKK. Could that be because you don't actually understand the real problem? Or are you so racist yourself that you are unable to see the parallels? Or is the truth that just you don't want to know, because the truth would disrupt your hatred.

Edited May 11, 2017 by PoorlyAged

[PoorlyAged]

One last thought before I leave this hate filled argument.

 

If you talk like a racist and act like a racist, then you are a racist. How you treat or mistreat your fellow human beings is what defines you as a racist. Not me. Not society. Not the victims of your hatred. Not some liberal conspiracy.

 

But racists are too blinded by hatred to see or understand this simple truth. For them, racists are never responsible for racism. Their attitude is that racism is god's will or someone else's fault (with apologies to MASH and Hawkeye).

[HeyYou]

One last thought before I leave this hate filled argument.

 

If you talk like a racist and act like a racist, then you are a racist. How you treat or mistreat your fellow human beings is what defines you as a racist. Not me. Not society. Not the victims of your hatred. Not some liberal conspiracy.

 

But racists are too blinded by hatred to see or understand this simple truth. For them, racists are never responsible for racism. Their attitude is that racism is god's will or someone else's fault (with apologies to MASH and Hawkeye).

You realize, of course, that your blinding self-righteousness only undermines your argument? No. Of course not. You wish to appear as the 'holier than thou' harbinger of 'racial equality'. Guess what. It's a lost cause. People change only because they want to. In more cases than you would care to admit, they DON'T want to. They hold their beliefs just as dearly as you hold yours. You aren't going to convince anyone of the 'error of their ways', they will look at you the same way people here do. Just another delusional fanatic that wants to preach his views, and sling veiled insults (and some not-so-veiled) at anyone that disagrees, or argues a different point. You are no different than the racists you condemn. Just a slightly different take on the same theme.

 

You assign values, and motivations to people that you don't have the faintest idea of who they are, what they have done, or even what color they are. You are so sure of your superiority, that you fail to notice that you are making problems, where none exist. You are your own worst enemy, and the greatest threat to your own cause. But, of course, your arrogance, and narcissism, will ensure that you can't see that. Haven't you ever wondered why no one is interested in befriending you? Or do you just chalk that up to them being so jealous of you, that they don't want to be around you?

[Skagens]

One last thought before I leave this hate filled argument.

 

If you talk like a racist and act like a racist, then you are a racist. How you treat or mistreat your fellow human beings is what defines you as a racist. Not me. Not society. Not the victims of your hatred. Not some liberal conspiracy.

 

But racists are too blinded by hatred to see or understand this simple truth. For them, racists are never responsible for racism. Their attitude is that racism is god's will or someone else's fault (with apologies to MASH and Hawkeye).

 

"Talk like a racist and act like a racist"? What the hell does that even mean? You don't even know what racism is, because no one does. Everyone has their own opinion on what racism is and yours is just one I happen to disagree with. But because I disagree with you, I am automatically in the wrong. This forum post is not filled with hate nor is it demeaning in any way to anyone, we are just discussing a sensitive topic. A topic you are apparently too sensitive to discuss fairly. You don't even know any of us. You don't know who we are, where we live or what any of us has experienced, and yet you have the nerve to judge us because we don't agree with you? Take your higher moral and self-righteous bullshít with you on the way out.

Edited May 14, 2017 by Skagens