Are Creation Club products mods?

[davidwalshireland]

I dont consider Creation Club products to be mods

I reserve the term mods for player-made changes to the games

I use terms like microtransactions or DLC or expansion for official content

When you work for Creation Club you are working as a developer; not as a modder

That is how I see it

Developer and modder are different things

Developers are contracted and paid

Modders are passionate fans and hobbyists

Supporting a modder by donations does not affect their status as a modder

But the minute you sign a contract to work for Bethesda you are a developer

I dislike and I oppose the blurring of the two that the controversy over paid mods has generated

What do you think?

[yian]

I completely agree.

[Ethreon]

They're microtransactions.

[TheMastersSon]

Agreed on all points. IMO money introduced in any form is a bad idea. Even donations to mod authors. Money instantly and effortlessly destroys any modding community and converts it into a paid business, with entirely different goals and motivations. And every dime accepted by mod authors is sponging off somebody else's product. Edited October 5, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[gnarly1]

Agreed on all points. IMO money introduced in any form is a bad idea. Even donations to mod authors. Money instantly and effortlessly destroys any modding community and converts it into a paid business, with entirely different goals and motivations. And every dime accepted by mod authors is sponging off somebody else's product.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where’s yours?

[midgetalien]

For me it its clear: Creation Kit is not mods. Its paid DLC.

 

I really do not get all the hate. I have read many posts and seen many videos about this. I know the history behind it, the idea of paid mods and how that divided the community; but I truly do not understand why people are so raging about creation club.

 

Bethesda have never said they will take away mods. In fact they said that Creation Club is just another way alongside mods to enjoy new content.

 

Secondly: You don't have to buy the stuff in creation club. This is what infuriates me. The haters are hating on something that they don't even have to download. Don't want the new spells? Don't buy it.

 

Yes I get that there are mods that do the same or similar things, or that a mod creator could make the same stuff but I honestly don't understand the hate.

 

Modders both people who make mods and people who use mods have for years said: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T DOWNLOAD IT. To have that now thrown out of the window because of "official content" kinda makes the modding community seem like a large community of spiteful babies.

 

Yes the creation club was a bit underwhelming, yes the "dlc" are a bit pricey, yes there are mods that do the same but please do yourself a favor and simply just don't buy anything.

 

I am not sure if people are raging because the mods existed that are similar before the Creation club or if they are mad that Bethesda is making content for a 6 year old game and charging for it.

 

Simply put the stuff from creation club is official. It will have support. It will be more stable than mods. It opens up the door for modders to become developers: Who by the way get paid for their work. ps4 users can now get access to new content.

 

The creation club has had a lack luster birth but by god people it doesn't half open up new opportunities for far greater content. I for one can not wait to see what content comes out of creation club.

 

It is easy to spit ones dummy out but essentially it boils down to this:

 

- Does modding still exist? yes.

- Will mods go away? No.

- Will people make new mods. Yes

- Do you have to by the CC content? No

 

Being mad at creation club is like shouting at the wind.

 

That is my thoughts on the matter anyway.

 

EDIT: I would like to point out that I do think the CC is just a way to make money for Bethesda but to be honest if its going to lead to much greater and larger content then why not?

Edited October 5, 2017 by midgetalien

[TheMastersSon]

 

Agreed on all points. IMO money introduced in any form is a bad idea. Even donations to mod authors. Money instantly and effortlessly destroys any modding community and converts it into a paid business, with entirely different goals and motivations. And every dime accepted by mod authors is sponging off somebody else's product.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where's yours?

It's an opinion based on the experiences of other modding communities, and basic logic. For every 100 mod authors who're now and suddenly forced to choose between converting their amateur hobby into a business venture, and moving on to other modding communities, you'll be lucky to get five who're willing to opt for that first choice. Community destroyed.

[davidwalshireland]

Agreed on all points. IMO money introduced in any form is a bad idea. Even donations to mod authors. Money instantly and effortlessly destroys any modding community and converts it into a paid business, with entirely different goals and motivations. And every dime accepted by mod authors is sponging off somebody else's product.

 

Donations are completely legitimate and are the way the mod using community can support premier modders

Patreon is also legitimate imo

Donations help to keep the modding community active

Donations are voluntary expressions of appreciation; they are not payment

A person who is a modder and who wants or expects to be paid should become a developer

Edited October 5, 2017 by davidwalshireland

[TheMastersSon]

 

Agreed on all points. IMO money introduced in any form is a bad idea. Even donations to mod authors. Money instantly and effortlessly destroys any modding community and converts it into a paid business, with entirely different goals and motivations. And every dime accepted by mod authors is sponging off somebody else's product.

Donations are completely legitimate and are the way the mod using community can support premier modders

Patreon is also legitimate imo

Donations help to keep the modding community active

Donations are voluntary expressions of appreciation; they are not payment

A person who is a modder and who wants or expects to be paid should become a developer

Agreed. Nothing wrong with accepting donations imo as long as it's voluntary. And your last comment is my exact point.

[davidwalshireland]

@ midgetalien

 

I tend to agree with you about the hate and the raging. Much of it is very excessive and irrational black & white thinking and makes little sense. People are resistant to change. It completely freaks some people out. There are TES players who have never been able to get past Arena, or one of the other earlier games. They rage and hate on the new games and Bethesda at every opportunity

 

But there are real issues with CC going forward; I think it signals big changes ahead for TES and FO etc

I think SE was created to prepare the way and get the community ready for the upcoming changes to the way the games are designed and delivered

 

What do others see ahead?

Edited October 5, 2017 by davidwalshireland