War with N. Korea?

[TheMastersSon]

I've been fantasizing about a Trump/Jong-un mudwrestling match for weeks now. If these two evil clowns hate each other so much, and if Trump wants to boost his popularity, put them both in a mud pit and let them go at each other, so we can save our own families, countries and possibly our entire planet. My money would be on Trump, in a battle between the king of the godless demons and king of the prostituted demons I think the universe will side with the prostitutes. Although I'm told in prayer that the only just result is that both demons lose. :)

[TheMastersSon]

Well on the diplomacy front:

 

"It will continue until "the first bomb drops", he told CNN.

 

Sanctions and diplomacy, he said, had brought unprecedented international unity against North Korea's nuclear weapons programme.

 

Last month, Mr Trump told Mr Tillerson not to waste time seeking talks with Kim Jong-un."

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41629233

 

If anyone can reconcile that last line with the entire rest of this article, we're at a complete loss here. Trump is continuing diplomacy by shutting it off altogether. Also, as far as I read their statements, they're carefully worded to not disallow our government dropping that first bomb.

 

So I guess nobody remains in our Congress who's willing to put the brakes on our runaway 911 hysteria machine and Executive Branch, that imo are about to end the civilized world. We cannot play the world's WMD traffic cop forever, and both logically and practically, global bans are the only way to effectively address the problem. The only other eventuality was and is our current one, where countries insist on matching and defending themselves from our nuclear and other WMD arsenals.

Edited October 21, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

There may be 'unprecedented unity', but, it still hasn't stopped, or even noticeably slowed, NK weapons programs.... So far, diplomacy/sanctions have accomplished none of the goals. Their weapons programs are procedeing apace, and they recently detonated an H bomb. They ostensibly have the capability to put warheads on some missiles.... but, it still questionable how good their accuracy is.... Though, with nukes, 'accuracy' isn't paramount, if you are 'close', that's going to be good enough to make a serious mess of the target.

 

I still doubt that NK will actually resort to nuking someone though. Kimmie-boy HAS to be aware that such an action would spell the end of his regime, and likely his country....... He would have to be mighty desperate to go there..

[Fkemman11]

Well on the diplomacy front:

 

"It will continue until "the first bomb drops", he told CNN.

 

Sanctions and diplomacy, he said, had brought unprecedented international unity against North Korea's nuclear weapons programme.

 

Last month, Mr Trump told Mr Tillerson not to waste time seeking talks with Kim Jong-un."

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41629233

 

If anyone can reconcile that last line with the entire rest of this article, we're at a complete loss here. Trump is continuing diplomacy by shutting it off altogether. Also, as far as I read their statements, they're carefully worded to not disallow our government dropping that first bomb.

 

So I guess nobody remains in our Congress who's willing to put the brakes on our runaway 911 hysteria machine and Executive Branch, that imo are about to end the civilized world. We cannot play the world's WMD traffic cop forever, and both logically and practically, global bans are the only way to effectively address the problem. The only other eventuality was and is our current one, where countries insist on matching and defending themselves from our nuclear and other WMD arsenals.

Yeah. I never understood why it is the US's responsibility to police the world. How the hell did that happen? The UN doesn't seem to have any teeth without the US taking the lead. We will destroy ourselves. It's just a question of when and how. Although the how is becoming pretty clear. :down:

 

I wish we could get some colonies on other planets. You know- all our eggs in one basket and all that. Probably won't happen though. I have no faith in humanity's ability to learn anymore. The same mistakes over and over. Jumping from one stupid conflict to another. Evidently we take all comers. Our current leader talks loudly and carries a huge stick up his butt. Most ppl who have seen war up close never want to see it again. Good people die while the arseholes that caused it sleep soundly in their beds at night.

[TheMastersSon]

Yeah. I never understood why it is the US's responsibility to police the world. How the hell did that happen?

That and most of our foreign relations problems for the last 70+ years imo were direct results of our decision to keep our armed services at wartime levels after WWII. Suddenly countless thousands of Americans were pulling paychecks for doing essentially nothing, while their bosses began their mind-numbing and relentless stream of artificial boogeymen and imminent threats to our country, aka justification for their own continued existence.

 

IMO and according to any economic or other chart one wishes to compare, it was the single turning point for us and _the_ fatal decision for both our federal government and the USSR.

 

IMO it's interesting if not disquieting to read some of Trump's past comments, in light of his current position as president, e.g. "I love combat." (Has he ever seen a day of it?), "Even if the world goes to hell in a handbasket, I won't lose a penny." etc:

 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-03-12/features/8903260257_1_trump-tower-casino-taj-mahal

 

So I'm stuck with this image of him and his chosen few boarding their 100+ suite megaboat and sailing for the Antarctic, with a year's supply of everything and while virtually everyone and everything north of them quickly or slowly dies from radiation poisoning. I had a smiley in there and removed it.

Edited October 22, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

Actually, military spending was on the decline, until 9/11/01... then it shot up pretty dramatically. Of course, that roughly coincides with starting two wars, and then later, getting involved in a few more.

 

Unfortunately, our 'wars on terror' had decidedly the opposite of the intended effect. Terrorism is even MORE prevalent today, thanks to our 'intervention' in the middle east. Had bush refrained from taking out saddam, and simply sent a small team to kill Osama, how much different would the world be today?

[TheMastersSon]

Actually, military spending was on the decline, until 9/11/01.

It was on the decline only from the massive bloating that occurred during WWII and subsequent buildups (Reagan, Bush etc). It's why government charts that show our country's annual military and defense spending typically go back only to 1960, or if you're lucky, 1940 or 1945. Our government doesn't want us to know or be reminded that our spending for these two items was drastically lower for the first 150+ years of our country's history (except for WWI). Here's an example of OMB gymnastics:

 

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/0aeecd4c4d7b803b0434464b0a149726.gif

 

See the very left of the chart? Yeah, that. For our first century and a half.

Edited October 22, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

 

Actually, military spending was on the decline, until 9/11/01.

It was on the decline only from the massive bloating that occurred during WWII and subsequent buildups (Reagan, Bush etc). It's why government charts that show our country's annual military and defense spending typically go back only to 1960, or if you're lucky, 1940 or 1945. Our government doesn't want us to know or be reminded that our spending for these two items was drastically lower for the first 150+ years of our country's history (except for WWI). Here's an example of OMB gymnastics:

 

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/0aeecd4c4d7b803b0434464b0a149726.gif

 

See the very left of the chart? Yeah, that. For our first century and a half.

 

Not really surprising. But then, the world has changed SIGNIFICANTLY since pre-WWI days. Air travel be right up there on the list of major changes...... global communication also improved drastically post-WWI.

 

Yeah, we spend a boatload of money on 'defense', personally, I think that is mis-labeled, and should be 'offense', considering the number of wars WE have started lately..... (or, at least, financed......)

 

We stick our noses into places that we don't understand, stir it with a giant spoon, and then act surprised when it boils over....... we suck at nation building, and we apparently don't have a clue about political realities on the ground in the Middle East. We have the Schmidas Touch. (everything we touch turns to s**t.....)

 

Trump should stick to his original platform, and get us OUT of all the political wars his predecessors got us into/perpetuated. Side with Russia, and re-stabilize Syria, and the rest will pretty much fall into place. STOP spending billions of dollars on wars that accomplish nothing, aside from the making a few CEO's in the M-I complex even richer. Stop exporting all of our manufacturing to foreign countries, which then use the proceeds to build up THEIR Military.... (china....) etc. It may sound 'protectionist', but, that's because it IS. I am more worried about our NATION improving, than some corporations bottom line.

[gnarly1]

We stick our noses into places that we don't understand, stir it with a giant spoon,

Now I understand your crusade to ban spoons! Would solve so many of the world's problems. Totally on the same page.

 

You, sir, are a genius!

[HeyYou]

 

We stick our noses into places that we don't understand, stir it with a giant spoon,

Now I understand your crusade to ban spoons! Would solve so many of the world's problems. Totally on the same page.

 

You, sir, are a genius!

 

:D

 

I seem to have a fixation on spoons....... and I am not really that much overweight. :D