Redesign Launch - Stage 2 in progress

[Dark0ne]

In response to post #55591364.

yourenotsupposedtobeinhere wrote:

 

In response to post #55588629.

This was already answered in one of the news posts, so once again, this isn't a "they're not listening/they're ignoring us" issue. That's actually a "people aren't reading the news posts" issue!

It's not possible for two reasons. One, it would require double development time on our end when we change any functionality or add new functionality in the future, which just isn't feasible to do. And two, it would require mod authors to maintain two separate versions of their mod pages that work for the different site designs. Obviously that's not feasible either.

 

I get ya. Also I never said "they're not listening/they're ignoring us" I just replied to it stating that you never replied to me directly, you have now so my observation is no longer valid.

Sorry, you actually replied, to begin with, to a comment I made to someone else. It's lead to a disparity a bit in our communication. So read what I wrote as something more general, for the people complaining about us not listening, rather than something directed at or about you. Edited November 28, 2017 by Dark0ne

[twowolves80]

 

Forgive me stepping in, here, NCR--I just wanted to suggest a possible reason why it might not be feasible. It could be two completely different sets of coding/site functionality, and that's why mod authors would have to have two separate pages and the admins would have to juggle two separate sets of functions. Sort of like google has gmail and yahoo has...yahoo. Yes, they're similar in function, but execution of design may be drastically different. What might be easy to do in one (change the fonts, colors, etc) might not be easy (yet) to do in the other just from a lack of familiarity.

 

And as Dark0ne pointed out, it's cheaper and more efficient to have only one site to have to deal with. I'm guessing the new site probably offers quite a bit more "bang for the buck," as it were; they just need time to figure out how to use everything and get everything ported over that absolutely is critical. That is why I stressed being a a little more patient. Just like when we first started modding, oftentimes, we needed things explained to us patiently for us to get it.

 

Now, pass the ale and kick the bard--we ain't payin' him to sleep. The community will stay the same--only the interface is changing. To quote that immortal bard, "A rose by any other name..."

 

:tongue:

You must first appreciate the beauty and fragrance of the rose. I do not appreciate the beauty of this rose and the fragrance has also changed. So, I will leave this here. I bid you adieu.

 

If you enjoy the fragrance of a rose, you must accept the thorns which it bears. ~Isaac Hayes

 

 

 

Was it something I said?

 

*checks breath, pops a mint*

 

:sad:

 

Edit: I know it's not about me per se...I just feel bad when I hear people want to leave. Our community is diminished by each loss--even the bans--because I'd like to think everyone has something unique to contribute, a singular view that will ask questions and look at things differently than anyone else. I think if you stick around--even to lurk--for a while, you'll see some changes that will make you wish to come back (at least, I hope so!).

Edited November 28, 2017 by twowolves80

[Niborino9409]

 

Was it something I said?

 

*checks breath, pops a mint*

 

 

:sad:

 

Edit: I know it's not about me per se...I just feel bad when I hear people want to leave. Our community is diminished by each loss--even the bans--because I'd like to think everyone has something unique to contribute, a singular view that will ask questions and look at things differently than anyone else. I think if you stick around--even to lurk--for a while, you'll see some changes that will make you wish to come back (at least, I hope so!).

 

Nah, wasn't you. Sounds like he has already made up his mind is all. Ops, saw your edit as the comment loaded to the page =/

Edited November 28, 2017 by Niborino9409

[twowolves80]

Yeah...well, I don't think leaving is the answer, not until Dark0ne finally says, hey, this is pretty much the final look. I think they'll start refining it a lot more once Vortex is finally released and they have more free time.

[yourenotsupposedtobeinhere]

 

Edit: I know it's not about me per se...I just feel bad when I hear people want to leave. Our community is diminished by each loss--even the bans--because I'd like to think everyone has something unique to contribute, a singular view that will ask questions and look at things differently than anyone else. I think if you stick around--even to lurk--for a while, you'll see some changes that will make you wish to come back (at least, I hope so!).

 

Thought I'd say something here. This modding community (Not Nexus) has had many ups and downs. One modder I really enjoyed left because of what people were doing with her characters. Another one left because of sexist double standards from the male members she was another favorite modder. Modders left during Bethesda.net with all the thefts that so few cared about and apparently was still a thing last I checked. Other modders left because of other modders stealing their work and taking credit. A number of modder I know will never share anything again but don't say so publicly, while others have inner circles and only share with friends. I tried explaining a year or so back to content thieves on Beth.net, each and every modder is irreplaceable, even if you don't like what they do, hey are all one of a kind and all bring something unique to the table. Modding for the most part is thankless, sometimes even when there is thanks there is enough burn to make the thanks lose merit. I get where NCRForever is coming from. I will be using Nexus mods less as I already have. If the forums change too much I will embark from here too. I'll leave my mods up, but provide support on sites that have less mobile functionality as that is my choice. The forums on here still work like I expect so answering pms and posting here is comfortable for me. If it becomes uncomfortable, I will only use it if I am required to.

[twowolves80]

All the more reason we need to foster a more encouraging environment, then, right? I mean, why let the negativity drag everything down? Point it out lightly, get the poster to maybe even laugh about it, and then move on.

I know what you mean about some of the modders and the other crap that happens, a few of them quite well. That makes it even more imperative to call each other on it and just hold each other responsible in a way that's encouraging. Modding is indeed a thankless job, I imagine, and often times, we spend as much time looking for information on one specific point when we're modding as the modding itself. Again, all the more reason to encourage good feedback and a positive environment. There are only so many moderators, and we don't need a moderator to do what we can do on our own--hold each other responsible. That's what a community does.

I honestly don't visit the nexus side all that much, so I really don't pay attention to anything but posting screenshots and reading the mod pages, but since I had dl'd most of my mods by the time the new site became permanent, I was using the default for Bing, which is the original Nexus. The page doesn't seem all that bad on my MacBook (which I use for the forums and for checking new mods and whatnot), and I only go onto the site on my PC when I'm dl'ing a mod, so maybe I've avoided some of the issues.

So far the only things I've noticed are the search function can be finicky, but if it can't find something, it's not a big deal to just go to a new page and search the mod in Google or Bing. That, and the buttons should be 3D or have some rounding of the corners and bolding of the fonts. But that I expect will change before much longer. Or maybe code in a 1-second delay into when you mouse-over the top row of gray buttons so the drop down box doesn't immediately pop up. It's not a deal breaker to me, though. I haven't yet tried uploading images through the new site, but I did see the big page with the info when you upload.

That would be the one thing I'd fix first to make it easier for modders to upload their mod photos--shrink that info page so we only have to scroll a few inches to see everything.

Again, not deal breakers to me.

[Deleted38897005User]

I've been using the new site ever since it released (because I also believe that I will get used to a change if I just use it for a while), and I've got to say there isn't a single thing I like about it. Everything's a clusterf*#@, nothing stands out, the buttons are all only one color and no contrast, I can't compare images side-by-side, requirements are hidden under a spoiler tag in the description instead of being in a tab or on a button at the TOP of the page (for some reason...)

 

I still can't block notifications for images uploaded by authors I follow, notifications are still in a dropdown menu instead of having their own page/tab...

 

The location of requirements actually baffles me. Why isn't it under a tab? Why is it a grid, in a grid, in a spoiler tag? From no standpoint does this work well or look good, in any way.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Guest

[waswar1]

I can't get around the fact that people contemplate leaving due to a site update. It's up to each person of course, but I just can't understand it. It's still the same community but with a redesigned site.

If the design were nothing more than graphical, it wouldn't be so bad. Take Youtube, for example. They revamp it every several months, but the differences are only in aesthetics, and these are baby steps in one direction or the other.

 

Unfortunately, this redesign is more than just aesthetic, though the aesthetic change from something more skeuomorphic to the Windows 1998-esque flat design is indeed a hugely negative visual change. It is also has a huge change in the numerous functions of the website.

 

There is one good, quality of life design choice: When clicking on files, it automatically sorts by the most recent files. Since I have seen the top files of every website I used tens or hundreds of times, the original sorting was inconvenient, though I could easily click a piece of text to change it.

 

However, many of the other functions are just jarring. Some are inconvenient; the pictures, for example. Instead of waiting for the image to load and then popping up, you're prompted with a black screen for quite a few seconds until the image loads, and you're instead taken to some sort of gallery that cycles back and forth.

 

Furthermore, there's a much heavier use of dropdowns. This is the reason I am using the forums to make this comment and browse this thread: the actual website and its new design has dropdowns for everything, such as what page of a thread you want to go to. It's just an arrow or a drop-down, instead of the old, superior design where you can actually jump a number of pages, or jump to the first or last with a single click of a button. With the new, counter-intuitive design, you have to click on the "jump" prompt, and then go to the page you want. It's a simple change, but unnecessary, and just inconvenient.

 

And that's the problem with the redesign; it's wholly inconvenient in every other area where functionality has changed. It's a mobile design on a website whose complete basis is for modding PC games.

 

For example, other than the aforementioned mess that the new system for images is, you now have a drop-down function to choose whether you want to look at Mod Author images, or User images. A drop down for two choices, when in the older design you could just click one title bar or another.

 

The worst change by far, however, is the modding page. Other than having the same issue as the forums where you have the stupid drop-down menu, the design is so ass-backwards, it's unreal.

 

In the old version, there was 30 files visible at the time, and yet there was less scrolling. The new version has the icons artificially blown up to stupid proportions and you are limited to a measly 20. Not only that, but if you try to change it, the site taunts you for lacking premium membership, when this had never been an issue before at any time, ever.

 

I doubt I'll stop using the site, but honestly, I can't understand why and how anyone thought any of these changes were worthwhile. And to whoever decided to not only trim down how many files we could see whilst blowing up their image to stupid sizes, whilst limiting us to 20, I would like to say: f*** you. This is a huge hindrance to my favorite website for browsing mods, and I am really saddened that these sudden limitations and poorly thought-out changes were put in place.

Edited November 29, 2017 by waswar1

[sopmac45]

Wow, it is incredible to see how some people have reacted to the new site; I do not know if they are stubborn, silly or very conceited, it is like "my way and no other and I will leave if you do not change it back to what it was before" .... that kind of reaction is very sad because whoever have that kind of attitude, are just thinking about themselves and they are missing the entire picture. I can only say that I've never seen this kind of reactions anywhere.

Can we imagine if Amazon decided to change its website design at this point ? Will you discontinue shopping only because the new website is not of your preference ? New Nexus design is just a new design, with different colors and icons, bigger, but for some : impossible to navigate, impossible to stare at because is damaging their vision, impossible to deal with because we have to scroll too much and click a lot of times to get where we want to, it has been designed just for mobiles and tablets and not for PC's, etc,, etc .... I cannot believe that kind of attitude, is just simply silly and very childish in my opinion.

Dark0ne already said it that it was designed for both worlds : mobiles and PC's and still is not enough; it will not be enough till the owner ( s ) give up, destroy what the new site and go back to the old one; unfortunately for a lot of people it is just like that and again, their attitude is just unbelievable.

 

I have been trying to understand the reason (s) why some people dislike it so much but to be honest, I cannot figure out what is it in their mind. I guess is just a denial state of mind in front of evolution, changes and progress that are related to the new world that we have : PC, mobiles, tablets and laptops. Not long ago we did have only PC's but now, the situation has changed and business must take in consideration that kind of world we did not have before : people also use mobiles, laptops and tablets and the new site has been designed to support and please every single user, either with a PC or mobile, tablet or laptop. Denying that is just a lack of vision of the world we just have in front of us and not having a site designed to be available all the time via mobile, laptops, tablets or when we are in front of our PC's, is just not acceptable, it will be a bad decision from functionality, business and availability stand points. Whoever does not recognize that is simple just focusing on centering him(her)self and not thinking about others and that has a name : selfishness !

 

Sorry to hear that some are leaving but mark my words : you'll be back !

[waswar1]

Wow, it is incredible to see how some people have reacted to the new site; I do not know if they are stubborn, silly or very conceited, it is like "my way and no other and I will leave if you do not change it back to what it was before" .... that kind of reaction is very sad because whoever have that kind of attitude, are just thinking about themselves and they are missing the entire picture. I can only say that I've never seen this kind of reactions anywhere.

Can we imagine if Amazon decided to change its website design at this point ? Will you discontinue shopping only because the new website is not of your preference ? New Nexus design is just a new design, with different colors and icons, bigger, but for some : impossible to navigate, impossible to stare at because is damaging their vision, impossible to deal with because we have to scroll too much and click a lot of times to get where we want to, it has been designed just for mobiles and tablets and not for PC's, etc,, etc .... I cannot believe that kind of attitude, is just simply silly and very childish in my opinion.

Dark0ne already said it that it was designed for both worlds : mobiles and PC's and still is not enough; it will not be enough till the owner ( s ) give up, destroy what the new site and go back to the old one; unfortunately for a lot of people it is just like that and again, their attitude is just unbelievable.

 

I have been trying to understand the reason (s) why some people dislike it so much but to be honest, I cannot figure out what is it in their mind. I guess is just a denial state of mind in front of evolution, changes and progress that are related to the new world that we have : PC, mobiles, tablets and laptops. Not long ago we did have only PC's but now, the situation has changed and business must take in consideration that kind of world we did not have before : people also use mobiles, laptops and tablets and the new site has been designed to support and please every single user, either with a PC or mobile, tablet or laptop. Denying that is just a lack of vision of the world we just have in front of us and not having a site designed to be available all the time via mobile, laptops, tablets or when we are in front of our PC's, is just not acceptable, it will be a bad decision from functionality, business and availability stand points. Whoever does not recognize that is simple just focusing on centering him(her)self and not thinking about others and that has a name : selfishness !

 

Sorry to hear that some are leaving but mark my words : you'll be back !

The purpose of amazon is generally buying things. The purpose of Nexusmods is to download mods for PC games.

 

There isn't a market here other than ad revenue, supporters, and premium members. Your argument makes more sense for things that could be more cross-platform, such as iTunes or whatnot(though even that has a separate design for PC and mobile, which really does not help with the credence of your argument), where there is a specific interest in keeping things multi-platform; just as people play music on their phones, they can do the same in their PC.

 

However, there is no PC gaming on the phone. I can not download the halamshiral ballgown dress for my Dragon Age 2 character on my phone. I can do it on my PC, and I can only do it on my PC. I can not take screenshots of my PC from my phone(unless I wanted to be extremely inefficient ), and then upload it to Nexus-mods(unless . . . Inefficiency.) This is a site whose very purpose lies in modifications for PC games. Whilst you can say that thinking otherwise is "lacking in vision", I think you're coming from a standpoint that is completely bypassing the reason for this website.

 

In the end, the only need for a mobile design is to access the forums or to look at text-based materials. Therefore, if Dark0ne wanted a seperate, mobile-based design, that would be somewhat intuitive, if the amount of people doing such is large enough(though it's still possible on the phone, just a bit clunky). However, in making a mobile-based design for a PC-dominated website that operates entirely on PC modifications, it's completely counter intuitive. You flip the situation so that it's designed for phones, and it's the PC's that are faced with things that are possible, but very clunky.

 

The fact of the matter is that a vast majority of functions for this website are only accessible for PC's. This update has made the social aspects, such as image browsing and commenting, quite a bit more inconvenient; that, I can freely accept, it's just a minor part of the website. But, this new design has made the core of the website, mod browsing, very infuriating. If this were a new design for an amateur modding site, okay, I can accept that. But it's not. When we have an older system that actually works better, of course you're going to have people like myself clamoring for it to go back. The old design worked, and it worked better, and to have us shoved back with features such as mod categorization made broken in the old design, it's really just not good.

 

This is why the old design should be the default for PC's. If someone accesses the website from a mobile device, the new design is more suited to that. However, it is less functional and less convenient than the old one, so the outraged is justified. As I said, the change is much more than aesthetic. The way one uses the website is changed quite a bit, and from my experience, it is a very negative change.

 

Edit: I take back the broken categorization comment about the old website. It's been fixed.

Edited November 29, 2017 by waswar1