New design constructive feedback

[TheVampireDante]

 

BTW... it seems to be 90+% negative.

 

Doesn't necessarily mean a majority complaint just because the "other side" is silent.

 

Many of the people who are happy with (or at least unconcerned) the changes made are likely getting on with using the site, not voicing their opinion/thoughts in the way those dissatisfied with are.

[DoctorKaizeld]

I like it plenty do.

 

now to add a suggestion:

move the drop downs on the tiles to the left side as it is far too easy to accidentally open them and click on things you didn't mean to click.

[Ethreon]

 

Point is, you had your chance when Dark0ne posted a thread way back when telling people the change was coming, and almost no one wanted to offer suggestions and feedback.

 

Now, suddenly everyone is a UX designer.

 

 

Ummm... you do know what UX stands for, yeah?

 

Here's a hint:

 

The USERS of this site are telling you and everyone what they are EXPERIENCING.

 

BTW... it seems to be 90+% negative.

 

 

90% of the posters? Sure. How much is the sample posting on this subject compared with the total userbase?

[dryh2o]

I typically just roll with the changes when any site gets redesigned and don't say much about it but in this case I am very much in agreement with those who has stated that the new site is a mess. I thought the old site was just fine the way it was and I fail to see any advantages to the change, but I might have missed an article or something. My biggest criticism of the new site is that it just wastes a lot of space. I'm not on a tablet but the site feels designed for one. In addition to buttons that use two to four times as much space as they need, there's still the wasted space on either side of the screen. Widescreen has been around long enough that I would think people would have been able to adapt. I'll get used to it I guess. It's the content I'm here for, not the usability or layout. I do appreciate the work that's put into the site and the content that's here.

 

- dryh2o

[Tahnval]

I said nothing about the redesign partly because I didn't expect anyone to care and partly because I'll manage with whatever's there. I think the old design was better, but as long as the new one works I'm OK with it...

 

...and there's where I'm having a problem. The new site doesn't work for me. Most importantly, I can only view the first page of anything. New Fallout 4 mods this week? Apparently there are 103 of them right now, but I can only see the most recent 20, i.e. the first page. If I click on a page number, nothing happens.

 

Presumably this is down to incompatibility with my browser and/or plug-ins. I'm using Firefox 56.0.2. I haven't switched to 57 because some of the plug-ins I want to have won't work with 57 and I haven't found replacements with the same functionality that will work with 57, so I won't be "upgrading" yet.

 

I have granted script execution permission to all 21 sites that my security software (Noscript) tells me Nexus runs scripts from.

 

I temporarily disabled my security software, just to see if that would work. Obviously I'm not going to use the web without that security software, but I was willing to do it as a trial for just this site. Didn't help.

 

Other issues that I've found just now...

 

"clear filters" does not clear filters.

 

"sort by" and "order" buttons bring up drop-down menus with options that I can choose and which will change the wording in the box...but not change the mods displayed.

 

Who knows what else won't work for me? I can download mods I can see, so that's something.

 

So the new site is somewhat broken for me.

[Warbeast30]

To my knowledge there hasn't been any data released demonstrating how many people like or dislike the new design. People posting on forums is not representative anywhere near the number of users of this site so making sweeping statements about most people disliking is not really based on anything that you actually know about.

And the same can be said for your argument, lack of people on the forums doesn't represent people liking it, either.

[Warbeast30]

 

I have tried to see what this so-called "Vortex" looks like, and guess what.....NOTHING COMES UP. Only things that come up are a SELECT FEW will be able to alpha test it soon then alpha will be out for the public. But guess what? Those select few are going to be the ones that ALREADY like it. So the results are already biased.

 

As for the new design, yeah it's out there now, but the majority of the people didn't even get to play around with it BEFORE you already put it in place. There was NO POLL, NO public opinion what so ever. If there was, then you would have been told from the start that the changes had been a bad idea from the start. And if Vortex is a copy of what we are getting from the "New" site design, I can tell it's going to flop hard.

 

Instead of picking and choosing who you want to test it, put it out there for EVERYONE all at once to try. DON'T make it replace NMM at the start, but give everyone the OPTION. This way you can hear the TRUE feedback about it BEFORE it does it's thing.

 

We may have lost the website to a junk filled, incomprehensible, unintuitive, Windows 8 copy, but we as the modders and gamers shouldn't have to lose NMM.

Wow. Let me parse this a few times so I know where to begin.

 

Okay, first of all, the admins, and Dark0ne in particular, has taken pains to keep us all apprised of the release date for Vortex, and how it will be released. Everything goes through alpha testing (and did you stop to think, this could be one possible reason why the new site isn't being developed as fast as some of us would like it?), so of course, Dark0ne is going to only release it to a few alpha-testers. And I guarantee those alpha testers are going to be the brightest that NexusMods has to offer. Why wouldn't he pick only the best? He needs people with a lot of technical know-how. That ain't me. Probably ain't you. Probably ain't 95% of the people on Nexus. Robin has already said that Vortex will get a beta release in the Spring. This isn't the only thread he posts in, and this thread and the other have a lot of pages, so it's understandable that you may have missed it.

 

Second, what good would a poll have done? I don't think it would have gone the way you think it would have, and even if it had, so what? We're not the owners of the site. We have no right to dictate demands to Dark0ne, or any of the other admins, regardless of whether we are paying members or not. It is a privilege to use this website, and be a part of this amazing community. That privilege is one I am grateful for and willing to give the admins the benefit of the doubt--they've never steered us wrong before, and I don't think Dark0ne is merely building something crappy to simply alienate users. Any polls would be at the whim of the admins and not subject to "rights." I don't know where people think they get "rights" from by simply being a member. I'm glad I don't have to make boardroom decisions--I don't have anywhere near the technical know-how to even begin to offer any insightful advice. Also, Dark0ne had posted a thread way back when before the new site was put in place, asking for feedback. Barely anyone responded. That was your one chance, and you either missed it because you weren't a member, or you missed it because you weren't paying attention. I know I missed it because I wasn't paying attention, but that's okay. I'm willing to put my faith in the admins and trust that they know what they are doing because they are privy to information we, the public, are not.

 

And are you really advocating keeping NMM? Pffff. That mod manager has gone about as far as it can. Most people (and this is an opinion based on those I've talked to) seem to be looking forward to Vortex because it will offer some kind of virtualization that Dark0ne has declined to go into detail about, which is his right as the site owner (probably the only person on the entire site who can be said to have "rights" on the site). Vortex is designed to address a lot of the flaws and shortcomings of both NMM and MO. You'll just have to be patient like the rest of us and wait and see. I choose to simply look at it like a delayed Christmas present; I can't wait to unwrap the gift being given to the community by the devs.

 

As for the new design for the site, There has been people, not including myself, who has taken the timeout to at least try it and try to like and since October, it does not resonate very well. I personally have taken almost the ENTIRE month of November to try and like the new design. The ENTIRE layout and how everything works is just slapping me in the face compared to the old design. Everything looks like it was done with MS Paint with all the design of the old changed to boxes. The layout and the design of the old design was really designed for ease of use even for newbies. They could easily just go in, set filters, and search for mods to their hearts content and not have to worry about filters not staying after backing one screen up. Unlike the new layout, while searching through the mods, the search functions ALWAYS stayed at the right hand side of the screen so you change the search parameters from ANY page. Pulling up a mod, if I want to see A picture, All I had to was click it. Once I was done, just click the pic again and it goes away. Now we have to deal with a mini Windows image viewer which pulls up ALL the pictures.

 

While browsing, if I click on list, I get 2 rows instead of the normal 1 row. The mods no longer have a nice definition that separates the from one another. they look more like they are part of ONE big long mod. Gone are the green title card for EACH mod.

 

Also gone are the "Search Attributes" that was set when you browsed for mods. I have certain attributes set up so when I browsed through the mods, the ones not checked will NOT show up.

 

 

Look, I already sure you guys have had more than enough people complaining about how terrible the "New deign" looks, so I won't continue to hammer in the coffin nails for the dead horse. I will say this, Change just for the sake of change will lead to ruin. Want an example? Star Trek Online has made changes just for the sake of making changes just because the devs didn't like them. Now they have actually lost over HALF of their player base and the numbers are still dropping. Don't go the way of the dodo and not listen to the users. The users can either make you or break you.

 

This horse is quite alive, I assure you, and is definitely a horse of a different color for those members who still prefer the old layout. But why did you wait to get this specific with your feedback? This is the stuff that actually helps the devs because it specifically identifies the issues that you feel are in need of addressing. That's all this thread asks of us--give the devs the details so they know what to improve/work on. And again, as SirSalami said earlier, and Dark0ne has said over and over and over, the new site has functionality that allows them to scale up the services while maintaining site functionality to prepare for the release of Vortex and make sure that everything is integrated in a way that will be easier for users.

 

No one is saying you don't have a right to feel however you feel about the site; the only thing we, the other members of the community, want you to see is just be specific like you just were. That's all.

 

The "new look" is a mess, complicated and user-hostile. All to be...."edgy" looking. I don't care about edgy looks, new window designs etc..I think I speak for a lot of people when we just want simple to navigate, easy to use and not have to click a bunch of things to just see an image or download, post comments, or w/e. Too many windows, boxes, places to click, a cumbersome, "in your face" design....it's not very sexy. It's a mess of clicking, scrolling, and then your NMM opens....like, what??

 

I speak for many: the previous was the best. And if it ain't broke; don't fix it. But, w/e...it's your site and these are our voices.

 

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Sorry, you don't speak for the many because I am one of the many that likes the new direction of the site and while I may have some qualms (what the hell are qualms, anyway? :tongue: ), I'm willing to have a little faith in the admins. The more I use the site, the more I like it. I'm finding new features the old site didn't have daily. My unsolicited advice? Just be patient. Good things are around the corner.

 

Man, if only I knew the devs to kiss their ass. Maybe I'd get my own personal front page where I could advertise my special brand donuts.

I'll take a dozen. No, make that two dozen.

 

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To my knowledge there hasn't been any data released demonstrating how many people like or dislike the new design. People posting on forums is not representative anywhere near the number of users of this site so making sweeping statements about most people disliking is not really based on anything that you actually know about.

Thank you.

 

Sweeping generalities are generally not helpful. It's okay to say, I don't like something, but short of being able to pull up collated data tables and statistics, we can't make such statements and expect it to help. Just use "I" statements and refrain from "you" statements.

 

It's funny how you respond with zero facts that you claim to have, use numerous memes that you made yourself, and try and dissolve what I stated by saying I was "edgy". What is edgy about critiquing something? Are you triggered because your precious new look you like is criticized? If so, stop being so edgy. It's cringey. Stop.

[Warbeast30]

 

 

BTW... it seems to be 90+% negative.

 

Doesn't necessarily mean a majority complaint just because the "other side" is silent.

 

Many of the people who are happy with (or at least unconcerned) the changes made are likely getting on with using the site, not voicing their opinion/thoughts in the way those dissatisfied with are.

 

Of course the "other side" is silent, there's nothing to speak of if they are fine with it. You only stated the obvious about human behavior when it comes to criticizing or analyzing something: people will only be vocal about a change, typically if it's a bad change. Sure, a few people have stated that they are okay with it, but that doesn't mean the issue is free from criticizim, and you can't deny that there is a large number of people being vocal and criticizing it. It's a poor attempt at dismissing anyone that does criticize it.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Warbeast30

[Ethreon]

 

 

 

BTW... it seems to be 90+% negative.

 

Doesn't necessarily mean a majority complaint just because the "other side" is silent.

 

Many of the people who are happy with (or at least unconcerned) the changes made are likely getting on with using the site, not voicing their opinion/thoughts in the way those dissatisfied with are.

 

Of course the "other side" is silent, there's nothing to speak of if they are fine with it. You only stated the obvious about human behavior when it comes to criticizing or analyzing something: people will only be vocal about a change, typically if it's a bad change. Sure, a few people have stated that they are okay with it, but that doesn't mean the issue is free from criticizim, and you can't deny that there is a large number of people being vocal and criticizing it. It's a poor attempt at dismissing anyone that does criticize it.

 

 

In the general behaviour of people and in the frame of the specific way users act here , I will put my bets on most not giving a damn - they come in, get their mods, leave. Until any of you can backup the "everyone hates it" with actual data, you got nothing. And since you're the one making the claim, the burden of proof is yours, not anyone else's.

[Roudgar]

Hello, nexusmods.

I'm only a member for a short time, but I have already seen
a lot other pages drowning in webdesigner dreams, changing
useful surfaces which have done their thing in a good way.

And it takes me wonder why there is no button beside the
user account so everyone can change between the "old" and
new skin. And I'm no more surprised in bits and bytes why it
has to be to force people to use new designs, because there
is no choice?

Maybe, you make this button possible and I think for sure
a lot people would be grateful.

There is not much to do to keep
things going well. It only lives right next door.
Greetings from Germany
Roudgar