Net Neutrality - The End is the Beginning

[TheMastersSon]

twowolves80, if this issue accomplishes nothing else it will relight a fire in our country that has been forcibly extinguished for almost a half century, by our own federal government. A defeatist attitude accomplishes nothing but to facilitate the problem, and it leaves you with nothing else to do but sit and whine. Our current political and economic problems are substantial and longstanding, but none of them are unfixable. A march and forced mass replacement of our White House, Congress and SCOTUS would be the biggest rebirth of freedom and breath of fresh air (after 47 years of being perpetually lied to) that we and our world have ever witnessed. It would finally free the PEOPLE of America to fix our OWN problems, e.g. finally close the infernal gate that Nixon opened, restoring our now decimated manufacturing and other lost sectors and creating the largest and longest sustained influx of domestic jobs and growth in U.S. history. Finish the job with fusion power plants before the PRC or someone else does, instead of destroy and pollute our national treasures for our Secreatry of State's former company. Recognize and fully protect internet traffic as the global common carrier of private communications that it is, always has been and only can be, instead of sell our Constitution to repay Donald Trump's campaign debts to Rupert Murdoch and Comcast/NBC. We could finally disassemble the defense and military establishments including our Pentagon that should have rightfully been sent home to the private sector in 1945. This would free up not countless billions, but TRILLIONS of tax dollars to fund what would be, by a very long margin, the best single-payer healthcare system in the world. Etc.

 

The first step in any and all of this is that we must stop being afraid of ourselves, and afraid of forced change. Donald Trump and Ajit Pai are not our fascist dictators, they are our paid employees. They have no power (or paychecks, or offices) whatsoever beyond that which we give them ourselves. According to our Declaration of Independence we have not only the right but responsibility to remove that power when no other option remains for the defense and protection of our rights. It's nothing bad, it's whatever is beyond healthy and wonderful.

 

Again the two people I pity most are Trump and Pai. With this intentional and concerted treason their names have already been recorded as either the or certainly among the worst fascist traitor despots in U.S. history.

 

You posted a quote from Jefferson, here's another of his. Note that he's talking about a local rebellion in Boston in his first comment, not our Revolutionary War. But the sentiment is still entirely relevant:

 

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.

 

If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

 

Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

 

News flash, America: it's now been over a century and half. So tragically we have answered Jefferson's question.

Edited December 29, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

twowolves80, if this issue accomplishes nothing else it will relight a fire in our country that has been forcibly extinguished for almost a half century, by our own federal government. A defeatist attitude accomplishes nothing but to facilitate the problem, and it leaves you with nothing else to do but sit and whine. Our current political and economic problems are substantial and longstanding, but none of them are unfixable. A march and forced mass replacement of our White House, Congress and SCOTUS would be the biggest rebirth of freedom and fresh air (after 47 years of being perpetually lied to) that our world has ever seen. It would finally free the PEOPLE to fix our OWN problems, close the infernal gate that Nixon opened, which in turn would create the biggest influx of domestic jobs and growth in U.S. history. Finish the job with fusion before the PRC does instead of destroy and pollute our national treasures for oil. Recognize and fully protect internet traffic as the global common carrier of private communications that it is, always has been and only can be. We could finally disassemble the defense and military establishments that should have been sent home to private sector jobs in 1945. This would free up countless billions of tax dollars to fund what would be, by a very long margin, the best single-payer healthcare system in the world. Etc. The first step in all of this is that we must stop being afraid of ourselves, and even of forced change. It's the only option when a country is stuck with a two-party cartel that is unable to do even their most solemn and basic duty to defend and protect our Constitution and its rights. You posted a quote from Jefferson, here's another of his. Note he's talking about a local rebellion in Boston in his first claim, not our Revolutionary War. But the sentiment is still entirely relevant: "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ⦠What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." News flash, America: it's been well over a century and a half.

Gotta remember though, that doing away with the oil industry is going to put a LOT of people out of work. What do you propose to with them? And they are not going to go quietly. That's a few million people whose livelihoods you are going to be taking away. They are going to fight tooth and nail to see that DOESN'T happen.

 

Not to mention that most, if not all, of our large corporations are going to be powerful unhappy with their global markets disappearing. A new age of protectionism, (as that is exactly what it is) is going to have a significant negative impact on our economy, and the rest of the world as well.

 

And no matter how much you may wish it, you aren't going to have a 'peaceful' revolution. (as that IS exactly what it is) The folks in Washington aren't going to simply going to walk away, and give up their lifestyle, the perks, and the wealth it generates. You aren't just taking on the folks in DC, you are taking on everyone that put them there, and all the folks that want to keep them there as well.

 

Nope. The best you are going to be able to do, without bloodshed, is convince congress that net neutrality is a requirement for an open, and honest, internet. Write your various congressfolk. Impress upon them this is an issue that is important to you, and therefore, should be important to them. Talk to anyone that will listen, (and even some that don't want to....) and have them support legislation that keeps the internet as a communication service, and therefore governed by all the laws that pertain to such a service. This shouldn't be a partisan issue..... none of us will benefit from an FTC overseen internet. They simply don't have a clue.

[TheMastersSon]

You keep misstating it as a revolution. I'm imagining it as the exact opposite of a revolution, simply a forced return to operation under our existing constitutional law. Which, regardless of any and all claims to the contrary by this same federal government, they haven't been doing for almost a half century now. Also you seem basically unable to grasp the reality that a government in de facto bankruptcy (e.g. the currency we print and spend today has no value whatsoever except as debt repaid by our grandchildren, and theoretically), is also a government in de facto illegitimacy. Given this continuing absurd and catastrophic forced competition between our free market capitalist economy and totalitarian Communism by our own feds, nothing else remains for the latter except decay into totalitarianism and (I was going to say eventual or incremental, but with this FCC decision it's neither of those any more) fascism. Let the stripping of rights begin, because virtually nothing else remains to be taken from the American people by this collapsed government. Edited December 29, 2017 by TheMastersSon

[HeyYou]

You keep misstating it as a revolution. I'm imagining it as the exact opposite of a revolution, simply a forced return to operation under our existing constitutional law. Which, regardless of any and all claims to the contrary by this same federal government, they haven't been doing for almost a half century now. Also you seem basically unable to grasp the reality that a government in de facto bankruptcy (e.g. the currency we print and spend today has no value whatsoever except as debt repaid by our grandchildren, and theoretically), is also a government in de facto illegitimacy. Given this continuing absurd and catastrophic forced competition between our free market capitalist economy and totalitarian Communism by our own feds, nothing else remains for the latter except decay into totalitarianism and (I was going to say eventual or incremental, but with this FCC decision it's neither of those any more) fascism. Let the stripping of rights begin, because virtually nothing else remains to be taken from the American people by this collapsed government.

It doesn't matter how you imagine it. If you are replacing everyone in government, even with the same government, that IS a revolution, and will be seen as such. The current folks in power (at the time) will call it 'terrorism' (accurately or not) and call the military out to defend the government.

 

You simply cannot have a bloodless coup. The folks that are in power, won't allow it to happen that way.

 

I agree with you on the Free Trade agreements though. They don't help anyone in this country, except for the top 5%. (if that many) Doesn't matter how they try and paint it, free trade is NOT good for america as a whole. Just ask anyone that used to be middle class......

 

You are going to have a hard time selling 'our government is bankrupt' (even though it is effectively true) therefore, they are illegitimate. Sure, they are 20 trillion plus in debt, there is no way in hell we will ever pay that off, and everyone knows it. What's worse is, it's only going to GET worse. Eventually, we aren't even going to be able to afford to pay the interest on all that dept, and the whole house of cards will come crashing down. And THAT is going to be how our current form of government ends. In a world-wide catastrophe. (as, when our economy goes down, it is going to be a cascade effect, and take everyone else with us.) I don't wanna be around for that..... (as I certainly won't survive very long when it does happen, as I am far to dependent on the government just to stay alive.......)

[TheMastersSon]

 

You keep misstating it as a revolution. I'm imagining it as the exact opposite of a revolution, simply a forced return to operation under our existing constitutional law. Which, regardless of any and all claims to the contrary by this same federal government, they haven't been doing for almost a half century now. Also you seem basically unable to grasp the reality that a government in de facto bankruptcy (e.g. the currency we print and spend today has no value whatsoever except as debt repaid by our grandchildren, and theoretically), is also a government in de facto illegitimacy. Given this continuing absurd and catastrophic forced competition between our free market capitalist economy and totalitarian Communism by our own feds, nothing else remains for the latter except decay into totalitarianism and (I was going to say eventual or incremental, but with this FCC decision it's neither of those any more) fascism. Let the stripping of rights begin, because virtually nothing else remains to be taken from the American people by this collapsed government.

It doesn't matter how you imagine it. If you are replacing everyone in government, even with the same government, that IS a revolution, and will be seen as such. The current folks in power (at the time) will call it 'terrorism' (accurately or not) and call the military out to defend the government.

If you honestly believe that, as I mentioned before, imo you really should try moving to China or another totalitarian country. If you seriously believe anyone in our federal government would or could brand a popular and organized march to DC a "terror attack" is beyond absurd and well into delusional.

[twowolves80]

The fact that you would be organizing it would be enough for them to use the PATRIOT Act to simply give you rendition and you vanish. Big Brother is here. If you think they're going to allow another would-be King, ha.

 

I say, keep digging, Mueller, and spread your net out again and see what else turns up. Many in the FBI want to clear their names and the name of the bureau simply out of civic pride. And let's not forget that the Federal Reserve stole 2 trillion dollars from the American people.

[HeyYou]

 

 

You keep misstating it as a revolution. I'm imagining it as the exact opposite of a revolution, simply a forced return to operation under our existing constitutional law. Which, regardless of any and all claims to the contrary by this same federal government, they haven't been doing for almost a half century now. Also you seem basically unable to grasp the reality that a government in de facto bankruptcy (e.g. the currency we print and spend today has no value whatsoever except as debt repaid by our grandchildren, and theoretically), is also a government in de facto illegitimacy. Given this continuing absurd and catastrophic forced competition between our free market capitalist economy and totalitarian Communism by our own feds, nothing else remains for the latter except decay into totalitarianism and (I was going to say eventual or incremental, but with this FCC decision it's neither of those any more) fascism. Let the stripping of rights begin, because virtually nothing else remains to be taken from the American people by this collapsed government.

It doesn't matter how you imagine it. If you are replacing everyone in government, even with the same government, that IS a revolution, and will be seen as such. The current folks in power (at the time) will call it 'terrorism' (accurately or not) and call the military out to defend the government.

If you honestly believe that, as I mentioned before, imo you really should try moving to China or another totalitarian country. If you seriously believe anyone in our federal government would or could brand a popular and organized march to DC a "terror attack" is beyond absurd and well into delusional.

 

From where I am sitting, thinking that staging a march into DC is going to prompt all of them just to give up their position because 'that's what the people want' is delusional..........

[TheMastersSon]

The fact that you would be organizing it would be enough for them to use the PATRIOT Act to simply give you rendition and you vanish. Big Brother is here. If you think they're going to allow another would-be King, ha.

 

I say, keep digging, Mueller, and spread your net out again and see what else turns up. Many in the FBI want to clear their names and the name of the bureau simply out of civic pride. And let's not forget that the Federal Reserve stole 2 trillion dollars from the American people.

It's a drop in the bucket compared to the private sector evaporation that has occurred in our country and other free market economies since Nixon and Reagan. It's also a drop in the bucket compared to the $100 trillion that's been funnelled to our defense and military establishments since the end of WWII.

[TheMastersSon]

 

 

 

You keep misstating it as a revolution. I'm imagining it as the exact opposite of a revolution, simply a forced return to operation under our existing constitutional law. Which, regardless of any and all claims to the contrary by this same federal government, they haven't been doing for almost a half century now. Also you seem basically unable to grasp the reality that a government in de facto bankruptcy (e.g. the currency we print and spend today has no value whatsoever except as debt repaid by our grandchildren, and theoretically), is also a government in de facto illegitimacy. Given this continuing absurd and catastrophic forced competition between our free market capitalist economy and totalitarian Communism by our own feds, nothing else remains for the latter except decay into totalitarianism and (I was going to say eventual or incremental, but with this FCC decision it's neither of those any more) fascism. Let the stripping of rights begin, because virtually nothing else remains to be taken from the American people by this collapsed government.

It doesn't matter how you imagine it. If you are replacing everyone in government, even with the same government, that IS a revolution, and will be seen as such. The current folks in power (at the time) will call it 'terrorism' (accurately or not) and call the military out to defend the government.

If you honestly believe that, as I mentioned before, imo you really should try moving to China or another totalitarian country. If you seriously believe anyone in our federal government would or could brand a popular and organized march to DC a "terror attack" is beyond absurd and well into delusional.

From where I am sitting, thinking that staging a march into DC is going to prompt all of them just to give up their position because 'that's what the people want' is delusional..........

HeyYou, you are not the only American who was apparently never taught even the basics of our own government. It is not the place of our own paid federal employees to dictate to their own employers when their job performance is satisfactory, or even whether they are allowed to keep their jobs when they intentionally refuse to do them. Inside your head you already live in China, not America, so imo you might as well move the rest of your body there too. IMO you'd be much happier living in a country where power issues from the top down instead of from the bottom up.

[TheMastersSon]

Check out this article from 2014:

http://www.ibtimes.com/comcast-wont-promise-net-neutrality-after-2018-its-fcc-says-exec-nyc-hearing-1749973

NEW YORK Don't get too comfortable with that open Internet. An executive for Comcast Corp. on Thursday refused to commit to net neutrality protection beyond 2018, when the company's federally imposed requirement to maintain an open-Internet policy expires.

At a public hearing in Midtown Manhattan, Mark Reilly, senior vice president of government and regulatory relations for Comcast's Northeast division, said the Philadelphia cable giant plans to leave net neutrality to regulators at the Federal Communications Commission, where open-Internet rules are being hashed out.

Comcast frequently boasts that it's the only Internet service provider legally bound to honor net neutrality, the principle that all Internet traffic should be treated equally. As a condition of its 2011 merger with NBCUniversal, the company agreed to uphold that principle through September 2018.

What happens after that is anyone's guess.

Asked repeatedly by New York Public Advocate Letitia James whether Comcast will extend that commitment beyond 2018, Reilly said simply that it will follow whatever requirements federal regulators adopt.

"We're prepared to abide by the rules that are now being formulated by the FCC", he said."

Glad to hear they were "prepared to abide" by our FCC's net neutrality rules in 2014. Because they made sure there weren't any rules by 2018.

Edited April 30, 2018 by TheMastersSon