Mod Author Donation System

[Ashes2Asherz]

In response to post #56262141. #56262426 is also a reply to the same post.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.

Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.

lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose

[Ethreon]

In response to post #56262141. #56262426, #56262576, #56262581 are all replies on the same post.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.

Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose...

err it double post.. maybe they should focus on optimizing this new site to not be so slow and buggy before taking on their version of paid mods.. ;)

It would be in your best interest to read the article again, carefully.

[Zodiac19]

In response to post #56262141. #56262426, #56262576, #56262581, #56262936 are all replies on the same post.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.

Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose...

err it double post.. maybe they should focus on optimizing this new site to not be so slow and buggy before taking on their version of paid mods.. ;)

Ethreon wrote: It would be in your best interest to read the article again, carefully.

American here and not driven out. It just means that if a mod author is really good with what they do and keep making mods worth downloading then they have the potential to be compensated for it eventually. that means it's not set or fixed whether or not a modder will receive a reward, or that it will only remain a certain group of modders each time because as soon as one mod has support from every user on the site then the modder has to start over just to get points, meaning the next top modder with the points will be next etc.

[Ashes2Asherz]

In response to post #56262141. #56262426, #56262576, #56262581, #56262936, #56263031 are all replies on the same post.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.

Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose...

err it double post.. maybe they should focus on optimizing this new site to not be so slow and buggy before taking on their version of paid mods.. ;)

Ethreon wrote: It would be in your best interest to read the article again, carefully.

Zodiac19 wrote: American here and not driven out. It just means that if a mod author is really good with what they do and keep making mods worth downloading then they have the potential to be compensated for it eventually. that means it's not set or fixed whether or not a modder will receive a reward, or that it will only remain a certain group of modders each time because as soon as one mod has support from every user on the site then the modder has to start over just to get points, meaning the next top modder with the points will be next etc.

it would be your best interest to read in between the lines.. Who do you think this will hurt the most? Most likely the modders that rely on 3rd party assets to create mods and those that use them.. There is already much more greed on the Nexus than any other modding site.. They introduce a money pool to certain users then you better believe that many of those modders that once shared their work to be used in other peoples projects will clamp down and stop giving permission in hopes to gain more of the money pool for themselves.. It would definitely stun the growth of the modding community and make it so only a very few will benefit while the rest will lose interest and move on..

[AugustaCalidia]

In response to post #56262141. #56262426, #56262576, #56262581, #56262936, #56263031, #56263146, #56267106, #56267256 are all replies on the same post.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.

Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose...

err it double post.. maybe they should focus on optimizing this new site to not be so slow and buggy before taking on their version of paid mods.. ;)

Ethreon wrote: It would be in your best interest to read the article again, carefully.

Zodiac19 wrote: American here and not driven out. It just means that if a mod author is really good with what they do and keep making mods worth downloading then they have the potential to be compensated for it eventually. that means it's not set or fixed whether or not a modder will receive a reward, or that it will only remain a certain group of modders each time because as soon as one mod has support from every user on the site then the modder has to start over just to get points, meaning the next top modder with the points will be next etc.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: it would be your best interest to read in between the lines.. Who do you think this will hurt the most? Most likely the modders that rely on 3rd party assets to create mods and those that use them.. There is already much more greed on the Nexus than any other modding site.. They introduce a money pool to certain users then you better believe that many of those modders that once shared their work to be used in other peoples projects will clamp down and stop giving permission in hopes to gain more of the money pool for themselves.. It would definitely stun the growth of the modding community and make it so only a very few will benefit while the rest will lose interest and move on..

Ashes2Asherz wrote: What's wrong with donating to the author you like to begin with? Why does the Nexus or Nexus community have to make that decision for you?

Ethreon wrote: Again, go read the article. You obviously haven't.

Nexus doesn't decide who is rewarded - we the people do by downloading mods. Each unique download of a participating mod is a vote cast for that mod. That's not a policy that would drive this American user away.

Furthermore, who comprises "this elite group of modders" of whom you speak? Am I supposed to exercise an ability to "read in between the lines" and discover that Nexus is in cahoots with a core group of favored mod authors on whom Dark0ne wishes to shower gifts? This, of course, is nonsense, because Nexus doesn't decide who participates in the Mod Author Donation Program. The individual mod author decides that for her/himself. Edited December 26, 2017 by Augusta Calidia

[FrankFamily]

Spanish people hate it when others extend their own ideas to a collective they belong to in order to boost their argumentation, your post will definitely drive spanish prople away. See what i did there? Post nonsense, read between the lines. Edited December 26, 2017 by FrankFamily

[Ashes2Asherz]

In response to post #56266911.

FrankFamily wrote: Spanish people hate it when others extend their own ideas to a collective they belong to in order to boost their argumentation, your post will definitely drive spanish prople away. See what i did there? Post nonsense, read between the lines.

lol not nice!

[Ashes2Asherz]

In response to post #56262141. #56262426, #56262576, #56262581, #56262936, #56263031, #56263146, #56266491 are all replies on the same post.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.

Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose...

err it double post.. maybe they should focus on optimizing this new site to not be so slow and buggy before taking on their version of paid mods.. ;)

Ethreon wrote: It would be in your best interest to read the article again, carefully.

Zodiac19 wrote: American here and not driven out. It just means that if a mod author is really good with what they do and keep making mods worth downloading then they have the potential to be compensated for it eventually. that means it's not set or fixed whether or not a modder will receive a reward, or that it will only remain a certain group of modders each time because as soon as one mod has support from every user on the site then the modder has to start over just to get points, meaning the next top modder with the points will be next etc.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: it would be your best interest to read in between the lines.. Who do you think this will hurt the most? Most likely the modders that rely on 3rd party assets to create mods and those that use them.. There is already much more greed on the Nexus than any other modding site.. They introduce a money pool to certain users then you better believe that many of those modders that once shared their work to be used in other peoples projects will clamp down and stop giving permission in hopes to gain more of the money pool for themselves.. It would definitely stun the growth of the modding community and make it so only a very few will benefit while the rest will lose interest and move on..

Augusta Calidia wrote: Nexus doesn't decide who is rewarded - we the people do by downloading mods. Each unique download of a participating mod is a vote cast for that mod. That's not a policy that would drive this American user away.

Furthermore, who comprises "this elite group of modders" of whom you speak? Am I supposed to exercise your ability to "read in between the lines" and discover that Nexus is in cahoots with a core group of favored mod authors on whom Dark0ne wishes to shower gifts? This, of course, is nonsense, because Nexus doesn't decide who participates in the Mod Author Donation Program. The individual mod author decides that for her/himself.

What's wrong with donating to the author you like to begin with? Why does the Nexus or Nexus community have to make that decision for you?

[Ethreon]

In response to post #56262141. #56262426, #56262576, #56262581, #56262936, #56263031, #56263146, #56266491, #56267106 are all replies on the same post.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.

Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose

Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose...

err it double post.. maybe they should focus on optimizing this new site to not be so slow and buggy before taking on their version of paid mods.. ;)

Ethreon wrote: It would be in your best interest to read the article again, carefully.

Zodiac19 wrote: American here and not driven out. It just means that if a mod author is really good with what they do and keep making mods worth downloading then they have the potential to be compensated for it eventually. that means it's not set or fixed whether or not a modder will receive a reward, or that it will only remain a certain group of modders each time because as soon as one mod has support from every user on the site then the modder has to start over just to get points, meaning the next top modder with the points will be next etc.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: it would be your best interest to read in between the lines.. Who do you think this will hurt the most? Most likely the modders that rely on 3rd party assets to create mods and those that use them.. There is already much more greed on the Nexus than any other modding site.. They introduce a money pool to certain users then you better believe that many of those modders that once shared their work to be used in other peoples projects will clamp down and stop giving permission in hopes to gain more of the money pool for themselves.. It would definitely stun the growth of the modding community and make it so only a very few will benefit while the rest will lose interest and move on..

Augusta Calidia wrote: Nexus doesn't decide who is rewarded - we the people do by downloading mods. Each unique download of a participating mod is a vote cast for that mod. That's not a policy that would drive this American user away.

Furthermore, who comprises "this elite group of modders" of whom you speak? Am I supposed to exercise your ability to "read in between the lines" and discover that Nexus is in cahoots with a core group of favored mod authors on whom Dark0ne wishes to shower gifts? This, of course, is nonsense, because Nexus doesn't decide who participates in the Mod Author Donation Program. The individual mod author decides that for her/himself.

Ashes2Asherz wrote: What's wrong with donating to the author you like to begin with? Why does the Nexus or Nexus community have to make that decision for you?

Again, go read the article. You obviously haven't.

[twowolves80]

 

In response to post #56242976.

 

 

 

twowolves80 wrote:

Couple of things I'd like to point out. There are a couple of questions that I think might clear up some of the confusion:

 

1. Is there a set number of modders who can benefit from this system per month? I.e., only the top 25 modders (as measured by the Unique Download metric) get the cash rewards, or whatever. Or is it wide-open so that there's no cap on the number of rewarded participants? Because what happens if there are more rewarded participants than there is money in the kitty to pay out? I understand that this will be supplemented with members' own money, but I'm thinking specifically of the Nexus budget.

2. Will there be a cap on how much a modder can receive this way per mod per year? Or per month? Or at all? Provided Brumbek isn't soaking up all the donation money with SMIM or Gopher isn't soaking it with iHUD, there should be enough money left over to carry from month-to-month. I ask only because some of the older mods are so functionality-based that you can't really play Skyrim or other games without them--SkyUI, SMIM, iHUD, and Valdacil's Sorting to name a few, and those are always "hot" as they are required 101 for modding a stable game.

3. Will there be a cap on how many times a member can donate to a specific mod, or will there be controls in place to limit it? Say, once a year, or once a quarter? I think this would help address the previous question as how many of us download the same mods over and over in a year? Especially if we ourselves are making mods?

I get the whole "it's a hobby, it shouldn't be a job" argument, but a lot of hobbyists get paid as a side-line. How many people started out tinkering with something as a side-job to raise a little cash, discovered they have a passion for it, and turned it into a career? These modders we are building up in this community today are going to be the game designers we *censored* good-naturedly about tomorrow when they land cushy jobs in Bethesda, BioWare, Zenimax, DICE or other game companies. "Can't believe that damned Gopher! Finally landed a job at a game studio and forgot all about us!" Well, maybe not Gopher...we're not giving him up without a fight... :tongue:

I'm more curious about the logistics of it from the standpoint of stepping back and taking in the sheer breadth of what Nexus is trying to accomplish. And here's another feather in the modding community's cap: Pretty sure Nexus has become the authority on online modding, and is the site that game companies look to first for trends and feedback from the gaming community.

 

For better or worse, this moment is rapidly becoming a watershed event. Congratulations, Dark0ne and company, you are making history. Think about it. What other site does everything that Nexus does? Donations, chats, forums, mods, artwork, now a storefront for donations that may turn into a profitable store-front for other stuff down the line when Bethesda gets interested and sees the profitability of it (let's just hope they don't try to lock it down and then take a heavy-handed approach to it, a la Creation Club and lets it grow organically). The only thing missing, honestly, is an Etsy-style storefront for the modders to show off their cosplay and kitbashing expertise to make money selling hand-made Skyrim swag (and have you actually seen what is being sold on Etsy? Some of the stuff on there is ridiculously complex and/or detailed, rivaling any prop-making Hollywood studio).

 

Looking forward to a great year. Vortex, then the new site, and now this. Interesting times.

Here's opinion on all that.

 

1) there shouldn't be less money then the amount of reward points currently held by Participants unless the Nexus poorly manages its Budget and was not really ready for this system. I personally like to think that have themselves in a good enough position to pay their side of things even if there is a real drop in income for like a few months or so. So to sum that up, it should be open to everyone, not just that top anything.

 

2)I don't See a point to this. If the Nexus properly curates the system and doesn't let people put small bug fixes and such, But instead only Adds at most substantial updates, or expansions ( it will be the Nexus's call on what will fly there). then more or less there are only so many unique downloads you can get, its based on the first time a IP address downloads the mod, not the maybe 1000x they download it later. I know i do that too.

 

3)I disagree with idea of limiting the amount of times a user can donate to author wholeheartedly. that is their call, Not the Nexus's ,unless they can prove something nefarious is happening. and looking at this in reference to question 2, that should not matter because the authour's mod only receives reward points based on unique downloads, not downloads. i could download any mod every month, and from what i understand only the first time matters.

 

 

 

 

In response to post #56242976. #56254041, #56259266 are all replies on the same post.

 

 

 

twowolves80 wrote:

Couple of things I'd like to point out. There are a couple of questions that I think might clear up some of the confusion:

 

1. Is there a set number of modders who can benefit from this system per month? I.e., only the top 25 modders (as measured by the Unique Download metric) get the cash rewards, or whatever. Or is it wide-open so that there's no cap on the number of rewarded participants? Because what happens if there are more rewarded participants than there is money in the kitty to pay out? I understand that this will be supplemented with members' own money, but I'm thinking specifically of the Nexus budget.

2. Will there be a cap on how much a modder can receive this way per mod per year? Or per month? Or at all? Provided Brumbek isn't soaking up all the donation money with SMIM or Gopher isn't soaking it with iHUD, there should be enough money left over to carry from month-to-month. I ask only because some of the older mods are so functionality-based that you can't really play Skyrim or other games without them--SkyUI, SMIM, iHUD, and Valdacil's Sorting to name a few, and those are always "hot" as they are required 101 for modding a stable game.

3. Will there be a cap on how many times a member can donate to a specific mod, or will there be controls in place to limit it? Say, once a year, or once a quarter? I think this would help address the previous question as how many of us download the same mods over and over in a year? Especially if we ourselves are making mods?

I get the whole "it's a hobby, it shouldn't be a job" argument, but a lot of hobbyists get paid as a side-line. How many people started out tinkering with something as a side-job to raise a little cash, discovered they have a passion for it, and turned it into a career? These modders we are building up in this community today are going to be the game designers we *censored* good-naturedly about tomorrow when they land cushy jobs in Bethesda, BioWare, Zenimax, DICE or other game companies. "Can't believe that damned Gopher! Finally landed a job at a game studio and forgot all about us!" Well, maybe not Gopher...we're not giving him up without a fight... :tongue:

I'm more curious about the logistics of it from the standpoint of stepping back and taking in the sheer breadth of what Nexus is trying to accomplish. And here's another feather in the modding community's cap: Pretty sure Nexus has become the authority on online modding, and is the site that game companies look to first for trends and feedback from the gaming community.

 

For better or worse, this moment is rapidly becoming a watershed event. Congratulations, Dark0ne and company, you are making history. Think about it. What other site does everything that Nexus does? Donations, chats, forums, mods, artwork, now a storefront for donations that may turn into a profitable store-front for other stuff down the line when Bethesda gets interested and sees the profitability of it (let's just hope they don't try to lock it down and then take a heavy-handed approach to it, a la Creation Club and lets it grow organically). The only thing missing, honestly, is an Etsy-style storefront for the modders to show off their cosplay and kitbashing expertise to make money selling hand-made Skyrim swag (and have you actually seen what is being sold on Etsy? Some of the stuff on there is ridiculously complex and/or detailed, rivaling any prop-making Hollywood studio).

 

Looking forward to a great year. Vortex, then the new site, and now this. Interesting times.

Airbreathers wrote: Here's opinion on all that.

 

1) there shouldn't be less money then the amount of reward points currently held by Participants unless the Nexus poorly manages its Budget and was not really ready for this system. I personally like to think that have themselves in a good enough position to pay their side of things even if there is a real drop in income for like a few months or so. So to sum that up, it should be open to everyone, not just that top anything.

 

2)I don't See a point to this. If the Nexus properly curates the system and doesn't let people put small bug fixes and such, But instead only Adds at most substantial updates, or expansions ( it will be the Nexus's call on what will fly there). then more or less there are only so many unique downloads you can get, its based on the first time a IP address downloads the mod, not the maybe 1000x they download it later. I know i do that too.

 

3)I disagree with idea of limiting the amount of times a user can donate to author wholeheartedly. that is their call, Not the Nexus's ,unless they can prove something nefarious is happening. and looking at this in reference to question 2, that should not matter because the authour's mod only receives reward points based on unique downloads, not downloads. i could download any mod every month, and from what i understand only the first time matters.

Airbreathers wrote: So I do understand the system then?

 

Also i Feel they should not have used the word "scheme" it has such a negative connotation. Maybe Program, Plan or Project.

twowolves80, check this paragraph from the article:

 

"At the end of the month, the total donation money pool will be converted into its DP equivalent. For example, a total donation money pool of $10,000 is the equivalent of 10,000,000 DP. A script will then sum up the total unique downloads that each file page has received in that month, from mod authors who have opted into this scheme, and divide the total available DP amount by the total unique download amount for that month. For example, if the total donation money pool is $10,000 (which is 10,000,000 DP) and the total unique download count is 5,000,000 then that means each unique download would be worth 2 DP. Ergo, a mod author who receives 25,000 unique downloads that month will receive 50,000 DP, which is the equivalent of $50 to redeem in our redemption storefront."

 

The whole money pool is split proportionally between the users to reward, there is not only no inherent cap on the first 25 getting everything but it's splitted proportionally among everyone who has received donations, so it's impossible for someone to soak all the money, they can soak a really big chunk of it but not everything, mathematically speaking. Also note this counts unique downloads so an user downloading the same mod many times only counts as one.

 

 

Thanks, guys! That does clear it up a lot for me. I remember reading that portion of the article, but it just didn't click, I guess. And whatever is left over each month I'm sure they'll just carry over to the next so the donation pool should grow exponentially, especially as people "buy" more DP by donating. I think that's what I was wondering about.

 

:smile:

Edited December 26, 2017 by twowolves80