Limited Vortex alpha release today, full release soon

[Jenrant]

In response to post #57215981.

oxymarrow wrote: I don't understand why the mods need to be on the same driver, MO didn't need that...

Most likely because Vortex uses hardlink deployment as default (at least for Skyrim SE and Fallout 4), which creates a second index to your game data referencing the original and thus requiring the original file to be on the same partition as the index file.

There was something about other deployment methods being available later on a while back, so there will probably be a "MO-like" deployment as Vortex moves further in it's development.

[nappilydeestructio]

In response to post #57206761. #57213901, #57214006, #57216011, #57216651 are all replies on the same post.

TeodorWild wrote: Hi!
Installing Vortex to hard-path on disk C: ARE NOT acceptable! Like create temporary games path on {User}{Roaming}. I'm using a group politics and disk quotas to block non-systems processes and file on system disk. Need to provide on setup application option to choosing installing path and working paths.
Thanks!

madpaddy wrote: Agree, im pretty much the same set up.

Sandello wrote: Me too. I working on my PC, I want my disk C as far from games as possible

oxymarrow wrote: +1, pretty sure they will change this.

JRantanen wrote: This is one of the first items on the "known issues" thread on the forums: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/6352891-known-issues/

"Problem: Vortex installs to C:, I want it somewhere else

First of all, you can place mods and such to a different drive from inside vortex but the application itself (around 200MB) and a few MB of settings will always be on C:

The reason we install to the directories we do is: This is where applications are supposed to be installed, we follow microsoft guidelines exactly and this has various advantages:
- We know we can write to the directories
- We know the data will be backed up by a proper backup solution and the application, which can be downloaded from the internet, is not. We know
- When updating we know where the old version is, without having to rely on the registry
- When you let users pick the installation directory, some of them will install to c:\windows\system32 and some will blame us for not protecting them.

There is also no real compelling reason for this kind of "customisability". No other OS requires/allows users to set a target directory during install and I don't hear people
complain about Linux patronising its users too much.

More and more modern applications don't ask for a target directory during install, I think people should just come to terms with the fact that this is how things are going to work in the future.

If your argument is going to be: "But I don't have enough disk space on C:" then the answer is: You can move Program Files or subdirectories of it to a different drive by creating ntfs mounts or junction points, C:\Windows and C:\Program Files\Black Tree Gaming ltd don't have to be on the same disk. "

I agree with @TeodorWild on this one. I had my fair share of horrible experiences with installing game stuff on disk C drive. I would love to use Vortex I see a lot of potential but unfortunately this is one of the biggest cons for me. I just can't justify installing anything game related tools on C drive. Edited February 1, 2018 by nappilydeestructio

[madpaddy]

In response to post #57206761. #57213901, #57214006, #57216011, #57216651, #57217286 are all replies on the same post.

TeodorWild wrote: Hi!
Installing Vortex to hard-path on disk C: ARE NOT acceptable! Like create temporary games path on {User}{Roaming}. I'm using a group politics and disk quotas to block non-systems processes and file on system disk. Need to provide on setup application option to choosing installing path and working paths.
Thanks!

madpaddy wrote: Agree, im pretty much the same set up.

Sandello wrote: Me too. I working on my PC, I want my disk C as far from games as possible

oxymarrow wrote: +1, pretty sure they will change this.

JRantanen wrote: This is one of the first items on the "known issues" thread on the forums: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/6352891-known-issues/

"Problem: Vortex installs to C:, I want it somewhere else

First of all, you can place mods and such to a different drive from inside vortex but the application itself (around 200MB) and a few MB of settings will always be on C:

The reason we install to the directories we do is: This is where applications are supposed to be installed, we follow microsoft guidelines exactly and this has various advantages:
- We know we can write to the directories
- We know the data will be backed up by a proper backup solution and the application, which can be downloaded from the internet, is not. We know
- When updating we know where the old version is, without having to rely on the registry
- When you let users pick the installation directory, some of them will install to c:\windows\system32 and some will blame us for not protecting them.

There is also no real compelling reason for this kind of "customisability". No other OS requires/allows users to set a target directory during install and I don't hear people
complain about Linux patronising its users too much.

More and more modern applications don't ask for a target directory during install, I think people should just come to terms with the fact that this is how things are going to work in the future.

If your argument is going to be: "But I don't have enough disk space on C:" then the answer is: You can move Program Files or subdirectories of it to a different drive by creating ntfs mounts or junction points, C:\Windows and C:\Program Files\Black Tree Gaming ltd don't have to be on the same disk. "

nappilydeestructio wrote: I agree with @TeodorWild on this one. I had my fair share of horrible experiences with installing game stuff on disk C drive. I would love to use Vortex I see a lot of potential but unfortunately this is one of the biggest cons for me. I just can't justify installing anything game related tools on C drive.

We are well aware of what the known issues says, we're asking that if at all possible they give us the option, as of now I've uninstalled Vortex and will continue with MO2, atm Vortex just doesn't do what I wish, no manual sorting no individual file sorting/hiding and sticking stuff in my C: drive that leaves folders and possibly files behind. I have no problem with them making an easy mode but why they cant make an advanced option for those that will use it I don't understand. Shame but thankfully MO2 is working pretty much flawlessly for me on Windows 10 so it's not the end of the world.

[JamminJlox]

I got the alpha and I am really not a fan of the import system many plugins go missing and you can't even reinstall fomods so I may have to reinstall every mod from the site. and having to drag your cursor all the through your list for conflicts is very annoying. I think the fact that you can see new mods and news from the software is pretty neat. As someone who likes the new design for the site I love the look of this manager. Once all the issues are fixed this will become my favorite Mod Manager. Edited February 1, 2018 by mario58791

[JamminJlox]

In response to post #57203396. #57204331, #57205856, #57208986, #57213851 are all replies on the same post.

cortex56 wrote: I downloaded Vortex at 8:02 a.m. -
Using with Skyrim Special Edition.
I imported the mods loaded in NMM, they all imported properly (this also disabled all mods in NMM automatically). I then enabled them, which also worked properly.
The Managed Mods, however, showed "0" Mods managed. I then installed a mod from file and the Managed mods showed "1" mod managed.

The loose file fix, seems to work properly also.

There is a small learning curve for those of us that are not overly endowed in the brain department, however it is very small.
Navigation around the Vortex is simple and pretty easy once you look at it.

I am currently using 142 active plugins, and 170 installed mods. It appears that all imported properly and are working as expected.

I also setup the LOOT and FNIS tools, which was easy and worked as expected.

I like the dashboard along with the tool buttons being right there together. The mods tab and Plugins tab are self explanatory and easy to see your load order.

Once downloaded and setup and mods installed, I was in game at 8:32 a.m. (Very small learning curve indeed).
Good job all.

Edit: Under the mods tab, only the one mod installed from file shows up. None of the imported mods show.
Edit 2: Ok, I see. When you install a mod from file, it places the mod in a different mod folder than NMM. Not a problem really, just more learning curve.

Dark0ne wrote: Thanks for your detailed run down and feedback!

madpaddy wrote: How did you install loot ??, how do i install bodyslide and wryebash etc please cheers.

cortex56 wrote: In the dashboard, near bottom of page, you will see tools buttons. You can add any you want. Just navigate to the exe for the tool you want to add.

madpaddy wrote: Cheers found it, thanks for the heads up.

It didn't disable the NMM mods for me.

[RetroDaddy]

How do I enable F4SE launcher using Vortex?

[cortex56]

In response to post #57203396. #57204331, #57205856, #57208986, #57213851, #57217811 are all replies on the same post.

cortex56 wrote: I downloaded Vortex at 8:02 a.m. -
Using with Skyrim Special Edition.
I imported the mods loaded in NMM, they all imported properly (this also disabled all mods in NMM automatically). I then enabled them, which also worked properly.
The Managed Mods, however, showed "0" Mods managed. I then installed a mod from file and the Managed mods showed "1" mod managed.

The loose file fix, seems to work properly also.

There is a small learning curve for those of us that are not overly endowed in the brain department, however it is very small.
Navigation around the Vortex is simple and pretty easy once you look at it.

I am currently using 142 active plugins, and 170 installed mods. It appears that all imported properly and are working as expected.

I also setup the LOOT and FNIS tools, which was easy and worked as expected.

I like the dashboard along with the tool buttons being right there together. The mods tab and Plugins tab are self explanatory and easy to see your load order.

Once downloaded and setup and mods installed, I was in game at 8:32 a.m. (Very small learning curve indeed).
Good job all.

Edit: Under the mods tab, only the one mod installed from file shows up. None of the imported mods show.
Edit 2: Ok, I see. When you install a mod from file, it places the mod in a different mod folder than NMM. Not a problem really, just more learning curve.

Dark0ne wrote: Thanks for your detailed run down and feedback!

madpaddy wrote: How did you install loot ??, how do i install bodyslide and wryebash etc please cheers.

cortex56 wrote: In the dashboard, near bottom of page, you will see tools buttons. You can add any you want. Just navigate to the exe for the tool you want to add.

madpaddy wrote: Cheers found it, thanks for the heads up.

mario58791 wrote: It didn't disable the NMM mods for me.

According to the above directions from the Vortex team, just manually disable them in NMM.
Plugins tab of NMM and uncheck them all.

[Anchevv]

In response to post #57215981. #57216786 is also a reply to the same post.

oxymarrow wrote: I don't understand why the mods need to be on the same driver, MO didn't need that...

JRantanen wrote: Most likely because Vortex uses hardlink deployment as default (at least for Skyrim SE and Fallout 4), which creates a second index to your game data referencing the original and thus requiring the original file to be on the same partition as the index file.

There was something about other deployment methods being available later on a while back, so there will probably be a "MO-like" deployment as Vortex moves further in it's development.

I hope so, since I been waiting this to be a upgrade from MO and not a downgrade...

[Jenrant]

In response to post #57206761. #57213901, #57214006, #57216011, #57216651, #57217286, #57217661 are all replies on the same post.

TeodorWild wrote: Hi!
Installing Vortex to hard-path on disk C: ARE NOT acceptable! Like create temporary games path on {User}{Roaming}. I'm using a group politics and disk quotas to block non-systems processes and file on system disk. Need to provide on setup application option to choosing installing path and working paths.
Thanks!

madpaddy wrote: Agree, im pretty much the same set up.

Sandello wrote: Me too. I working on my PC, I want my disk C as far from games as possible

oxymarrow wrote: +1, pretty sure they will change this.

JRantanen wrote: This is one of the first items on the "known issues" thread on the forums: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/6352891-known-issues/

"Problem: Vortex installs to C:, I want it somewhere else

First of all, you can place mods and such to a different drive from inside vortex but the application itself (around 200MB) and a few MB of settings will always be on C:

The reason we install to the directories we do is: This is where applications are supposed to be installed, we follow microsoft guidelines exactly and this has various advantages:
- We know we can write to the directories
- We know the data will be backed up by a proper backup solution and the application, which can be downloaded from the internet, is not. We know
- When updating we know where the old version is, without having to rely on the registry
- When you let users pick the installation directory, some of them will install to c:\windows\system32 and some will blame us for not protecting them.

There is also no real compelling reason for this kind of "customisability". No other OS requires/allows users to set a target directory during install and I don't hear people
complain about Linux patronising its users too much.

More and more modern applications don't ask for a target directory during install, I think people should just come to terms with the fact that this is how things are going to work in the future.

If your argument is going to be: "But I don't have enough disk space on C:" then the answer is: You can move Program Files or subdirectories of it to a different drive by creating ntfs mounts or junction points, C:\Windows and C:\Program Files\Black Tree Gaming ltd don't have to be on the same disk. "

nappilydeestructio wrote: I agree with @TeodorWild on this one. I had my fair share of horrible experiences with installing game stuff on disk C drive. I would love to use Vortex I see a lot of potential but unfortunately this is one of the biggest cons for me. I just can't justify installing anything game related tools on C drive.

madpaddy wrote: We are well aware of what the known issues says, we're asking that if at all possible they give us the option, as of now I've uninstalled Vortex and will continue with MO2, atm Vortex just doesn't do what I wish, no manual sorting no individual file sorting/hiding and sticking stuff in my C: drive that leaves folders and possibly files behind. I have no problem with them making an easy mode but why they cant make an advanced option for those that will use it I don't understand. Shame but thankfully MO2 is working pretty much flawlessly for me on Windows 10 so it's not the end of the world.

madpaddy, I was just making sure that everyone was aware of why it was the way it is for the moment.

As the text on the known issues page says this can be bypassed by using a junction point, so you can have the files on a different volume this way.
Though I do agree that users should be able to choose where a program is installed on their computer, the way it is currently handled also kind of makes sense from a development standpoint, as it might very well be that if that choice is implemented the program will have to always rely on the registry no matter where it is installed.

[Ethreon]

In response to post #57217826.

RetroDaddy wrote:

How do I enable F4SE launcher using Vortex?

Go to Settings, enable Starter.