Is this coincidence, or meant for us?

[marharth]

Links for the proof of the Illuminati believing in slavery, and for Egyptians torturing slaves and human sacrifice.

It took you longer to type that than it would have to check Google yourself and see.

 

Not to mention the Egypt thing is common knowledge in any world history class - unless of course they stopped teaching actual history in history classes since I graduated high school.

So you don't have anything?

[Arthmoor]

So you don't have anything?

So I guess we know what they do teach. That someone else is supposed to do all your work for you and provide you with everything.

 

When I went to school, doing your own research if you didn't like the answer you got from someone was par for the course. If you failed to do so, you failed the assignment. You didn't just get to say "links or it isn't true" or something similar. Of course it helped that there wasn't a civilian internet to use as an excuse for being lazy.

 

I truly do feel sorry for the current generation of school kids, but that's not the topic of this thread.

[Ghogiel]

I have no idea about Illuminati, they never taught that in any school I went to. :thumbsup:

 

There is no evidence of human sacrifice in ancient Egypt. There is one piece of evidence in the first dynasty, but it is basically dismissed as factual.

 

Slavery in Egypt existed. depending on the era slaves could own land, there are records of slaves gifting land, and had basically equal legal rights and status of freemen. I'm sure actual torture happened, I'm sure it happened to non slaves too, so :shrug:

[marharth]

So you don't have anything?

So I guess we know what they do teach. That someone else is supposed to do all your work for you and provide you with everything.

 

When I went to school, doing your own research if you didn't like the answer you got from someone was par for the course. If you failed to do so, you failed the assignment. You didn't just get to say "links or it isn't true" or something similar. Of course it helped that there wasn't a civilian internet to use as an excuse for being lazy.

 

I truly do feel sorry for the current generation of school kids, but that's not the topic of this thread.

I don't think you understand burden of proof :whistling:

 

If you make a claim, it is your job to back it up, not mine.

 

By the way did you know that the Egyptians also had a GPS system that used stone satellites?

Edited May 19, 2012 by marharth

[ginnyfizz]

I do not doubt for one moment that the Egyptians kept some slaves because "that was how it was" in most civilisations in ancient times. However, the tens of thousands of slaves being flogged into building the pyramids and the tombs in the Valley of the Kings is an urban/Hollywood myth. A number of years ago, when Tutankhamun and his treasures came to London (The Mummy Returns indeed, and he isn't a very pretty sight I can tell you...), I bought a book about him by the French Egyptologist Mme Christiane Desroches-Noblecourt. Among other things she advised that the royal necropolis building workers were an elite, skilled, highly regarded corps who were paid excellent wages, lived an uproarious lifestyle (recovered tablets and papyrii record them getting blind drunk and reporting in to work with hangovers, plus ça change...) and were as stroppy as any modern trade unionist militant. One record tells how they declared "We are weak and starving because we have not received the rations that Pharaoh hath ordained..." (they were anything but starving, as the accounts showed), and they went on strike (until IIRC more beef and beer were delivered, no bread and water for these lads...)

 

Psst, marharth is right about the burden of proof being with the prosecution...

 

As for this Illuminati stuff :facepalm:

The Bavarian Illuminati were a historical fact. When I look at the sort of people (like the loony Brit David Icke who thinks he is actually a space lizard...)who are reckoning that they still exist and are controlling the world - the theory loses all credibility. Dan Brown and his Da Vinci Code nonsense have a lot to answer for. Sure, there are groups of people who control various things, it was ever thus. For example, in Britain an Eton and Oxford education will do you no harm at all (unless you are "Call me Dave" Cameron who is trying too hard to convince us how ordinary he is), especially if you want a career in certain professions without necessarily being any good at them.

 

Can anyone refresh my memory about someone else who held a similar theory about international financiers and Freemasons? That's a rhetorical question. I do know who did, and where it got us. I am alarmed that anyone wants to resurrect this dangerous stuff.

[marharth]

I do not doubt for one moment that the Egyptians kept some slaves because "that was how it was" in most civilisations in ancient times. However, the tens of thousands of slaves being flogged into building the pyramids and the tombs in the Valley of the Kings is an urban/Hollywood myth. A number of years ago, when Tutankhamun and his treasures came to London (The Mummy Returns indeed, and he isn't a very pretty sight I can tell you...), I bought a book about him by the French Egyptologist Mme Christiane Desroches-Noblecourt. Among other things she advised that the royal necropolis building workers were an elite, skilled, highly regarded corps who were paid excellent wages, lived an uproarious lifestyle (recovered tablets and papyrii record them getting blind drunk and reporting in to work with hangovers, plus ça change...) and were as stroppy as any modern trade unionist militant. One record tells how they declared "We are weak and starving because we have not received the rations that Pharaoh hath ordained..." (they were anything but starving, as the accounts showed), and they went on strike (until IIRC more beef and beer were delivered, no bread and water for these lads...)

 

Psst, marharth is right about the burden of proof being with the prosecution...

 

As for this Illuminati stuff :facepalm:

The Bavarian Illuminati were a historical fact. When I look at the sort of people (like the loony Brit David Icke who thinks he is actually a space lizard...)who are reckoning that they still exist and are controlling the world - the theory loses all credibility. Dan Brown and his Da Vinci Code nonsense have a lot to answer for. Sure, there are groups of people who control various things, it was ever thus. For example, in Britain an Eton and Oxford education will do you no harm at all (unless you are "Call me Dave" Cameron who is trying too hard to convince us how ordinary he is), especially if you want a career in certain professions without necessarily being any good at them.

 

Can anyone refresh my memory about someone else who held a similar theory about international financiers and Freemasons? That's a rhetorical question. I do know who did, and where it got us. I am alarmed that anyone wants to resurrect this dangerous stuff.

I agree with you for once.

 

And yes, the Bavarian Illuminati is the only Illuminati with actual historical proof. That is what I am referring to when I say they are not evil.

[Arthmoor]

I don't think you understand burden of proof :whistling:

I don't think you understand that it was you who claimed something that's against common knowledge....

 

By the way did you know that the Egyptians also had a GPS system that used stone satellites?

Which, btw, Google says you're full of it. So yeah, you can play the sarcastic silliness all day long if you want, but again, as I was taught, someone invents BS, you verify that they're full of it.

 

Of course, one is then left to conclude that since you won't even do that much, you already know I'm right.

[IndorilTheGreat]

I don't think you understand burden of proof :whistling:

I don't think you understand that it was you who claimed something that's against common knowledge....

 

By the way did you know that the Egyptians also had a GPS system that used stone satellites?

Which, btw, Google says you're full of it. So yeah, you can play the sarcastic silliness all day long if you want, but again, as I was taught, someone invents BS, you verify that they're full of it.

 

Of course, one is then left to conclude that since you won't even do that much, you already know I'm right.

 

This bantering back and forth between you two is just silly.

 

marharth has a point; if you're going to state something, then back up your statement and provide the information requested instead of playing the role of "high and mighty," if you will.

 

However, that being said, you (Arthmoor) have a point as well. If someone will not (or can not) provide the information you are looking for, research it yourself, rather than drag on for several posts.

 

On-Topic:

Now, as for my opinion on the matter? I tend not to look too far into things such as this. If there is indeed some secret world order, I don't want to stick my nose too far into their business.

 

At least it isn't as bad as in the Dues Ex universe, where the secret organizations and corporations really do (obviously too) control the way things go.

[SubjectProphet]

So, it's clear to me everyone is using what they read in public library books and what they learn in History class to back a claim that everything is false.

 

According to the theory, the Illuminati control you're minds through school, books, media, etc., and that is why you DO NOT believe everything you hear on TV or what you read in a book or what you hear in school.

 

A lot of stuff I learned in books and school can be proven wrong, and we don't get a say in it because "we're the student and the teacher is right" which is complete bull.

 

 

So, why does everyone believe what they hear and read? These theories have things to back them that seem so true. But then again, your History class has a lot of things that seem true as well. So who do we believe? Do we toss a coin? Pull straws? Nothing can be proven in the modern world unless someone who was there at the time told us, but they're all dead. And if there is a modern day Illuminati group, I doubt anyone would be so easy to spill information. We'll never know unless something happens. If it doesn't, then the theory was wrong. If something does happen, then the theory was true.

 

So, how do we figure everything out? Believe school because it has the facts behind it? However, the theory has a lot of facts as well.

[IndorilTheGreat]

So, it's clear to me everyone is using what they read in public library books and what they learn in History class to back a claim that everything is false.

 

According to the theory, the Illuminati control you're minds through school, books, media, etc., and that is why you DO NOT believe everything you hear on TV or what you read in a book or what you hear in school.

 

A lot of stuff I learned in books and school can be proven wrong, and we don't get a say in it because "we're the student and the teacher is right" which is complete bull.

 

 

So, why does everyone believe what they hear and read? These theories have things to back them that seem so true. But then again, your History class has a lot of things that seem true as well. So who do we believe? Do we toss a coin? Pull straws? Nothing can be proven in the modern world unless someone who was there at the time told us, but they're all dead. And if there is a modern day Illuminati group, I doubt anyone would be so easy to spill information. We'll never know unless something happens. If it doesn't, then the theory was wrong. If something does happen, then the theory was true.

 

So, how do we figure everything out? Believe school because it has the facts behind it? However, the theory has a lot of facts as well.

 

This is exactly why I prefer science and numbers over history and philosophy.

 

Numbers don't lie (unless of course you use them wrong, but that's beside the point). And, please don't tell me that the Illuminati made up physics, because someone has said that to me before, and everything they said to me after that had no credibility. To be fair, he was one of those "tin-foil hat" types (not to be rude to anyone that enjoys wearing tin-foil hats).

 

As far as history not following the correct events, tat has happened long before the Illuminati came into existence. The quote "History is written by the victor" has both a figurative and literal meaning. If a certain group prevailed in a battle or a war, back "in the day" that usually meant that they had a significant power or presence on this planet, therefore they could write it how they chose; usually with an incredible bias...

 

Huh. I kind of see what you mean. :huh: