Should Francesco's Be Taken Over And Updated To 4.6

[worm82075]

Dewshine, a very talented modder from BGSF, was encouraged by a previous Fran's team member to take the mod over and for the last 4 months has been providing technical support and creating patches as the unofficial proprietor of the mod. She would like to provide the next major update to the mod but since the original creator and team leader has been unreachable for over a year, she is hesitant to do so. Having such great respect for Newcomer24 and not wanting to anger the community to which she owes so much, she has asked me to conduct a community wide poll to determine what she should do. So please cast your vote as to whether she should proceed with the update or just let this mod die.

[Vagrant0]

As long as attempts have been made to contact the author, credit is given, and the original intent and plans of the mod are retained, there should be no reason why anyone would get upset over it. If however the project took a totally different route, or decided to touch on something which expands the project into something other than an overhaul (like OOO's adding/changing of dungeon areas), then that is a different matter.

[nosisab]

Tough question. Yet I think one mod the magnitude of Fran's deserves continuation. I can't tell for the team, but I can express my personal desire to see the mod updated.

 

So I vote yes and hope the future says this was a correct step.

[Blacksnake89]

I completely agree with what vagrant said. I haven't really seen anything about frans other than the FCOM trailer but any large mod that has as many downloaders as frans, MMM, or OOO should stay up to date.

[worm82075]

That is essentially all that is planned as far as I know. As the OP states she has a large amount of respect for the author and only seeks to make it more compatible with today's mods while keeping the spirit of the original mod intact.

[Blacksnake89]

Then I say go for it.

[Dark0ne]

There is a seemingly similar debate and poll on the official forums regarding this sort of topic. If you have the time it might be worth a read.

[MasterAub]

I don't see the arm of taking over as long as credit is given. Plus she's been trying to contact newcomer for a long time now so...

 

Go baby go... ;)

[giskarduk]

I say no, I say make a completely new mod from it.

 

So would like to see a son of francos that out does its father but is not a remake of its father. Francos best points where its leveled lists, combat and realistic spawning of monsters. Francos mod spawned a single hard bear instead of packs of bears and packs of wolfs instead of single wolfs.

 

It made the country side more realistic, MMM spawned packs of bears, i couldnt play that mod, not whilst i was laughing so hard. In fact in the kvatch mining camp i got attacked twice by 12 bears and died both times because i was too busy rubbing the tears from my eyes to fight. I was truely and honestly laughing so hard i had to let go of the mouse.

 

Thats the main reason i wont use MMM, i like my country sides to be convincing countrysides and MMM turned it in to a blood bath with bodies everywhere and i didnt kill any of them. Still MMM could have been reworked as an Oblivion invasion mod, all the creatures changed to daedra and then released, paint the skys read and youd have a successful oblivion invasion scene play out before your eyes. Eg what happens if you didnt save bruma.

 

But for my tastes francos was always the best but its a very simplistic mod, they all are. I can see massive room for improvement in this style of mod and may one day demonstrate what i mean by making one my self.

 

But my ideas focus on francos realisium, removing anything thats not lore based, putting a stop to the random spawning of armour and organizing the various groups in to gangs and making them look like gangs of clans. Then adding unique dialog to those groups so they sound like they are talking about their clans affairs.

 

So when you walk in to a save, you see a gang with suitable armour for it, talking about gang matters and fighting in francos style and in francos numbers.

 

A totally lore friendly and very immersive way to go.

 

Newcomer would have made such a mod him self, he was heading in that direction, in fact he was the only one that seems to have given any thought at all to this sort of thing. Thats why ive always prefered his mod to the others.

 

Anyway, I am not voting for any choice, im just saying a brand new Son of Mod is a better idea. Lets not give this old wheel a new coat of paint, lets make a new wheel thats better suited to todays game and meets players expectations.

 

None of what im talking about is hard to do. Any modder can make an OOO style mod, its easy, its the ballancing thats hard. So there is no excuse for making another been there, done that OOO style mod again when something much better can be done instead.

 

If you want a taste of what I am talking about, install origin of the mages guild, go to the arcane university and jump down the well there. And imagine EVERY cave or band group having a base suitable to its needs in the caves they spawn in and all spawning as real bandits, none of this random stuff but actually looking and acting and more importantly, sounding like bandits.

 

Francos creatures and wildnerness locations are the best their is, i personally do not see how they can be improved. But they rest can.

 

I think this is what Newcommer would have done if francos developement continued. If a new mod is made along these lines you can kiss fcom and the rest good bye, none would match the new mod for features. Not one. Not even the old franco mod.

 

Giskard

[worm82075]

I agree 100% Giskard and I suggested as much to her on my site.

 

I said:

it seems to me that if you were up for it you could really stick it to 'em by making your own overhaul that makes all the others obsolete. i wish you would be willing to do that because OBSE has made it so all the other mod incompatibilities can just be completely eliminated. i hate OOO. i like MMM but it too has serious issues. i want to see D-DOO - Dewshine's Definitive Oblivion Overhaul. Could you imagine a single mod that accomplishes all that OOO and Fran's does but is designed for ultimate compatibility with everything.

 

Her response was:

The problem is with making a new overhaul is - Wait for it - I love Frans as it is. I don't want to play another overhaul, even if it is one of my own. I want to play Frans, and I want to keep playing Frans.

 

But I'd also like to fix it as much as possible to make it more compatible with the innovations coming out.

 

So I guess we will have to wait for you to do it Giskard ol buddy, I for one would love to see that.