Fallout 76 forum?

[SirGalahad]

Wow. Shills in their natural habitat.

 

I agree with everything zanity wrote. I was watching excerpts from an official, authorized hour-long play test with the demo last night and was left livid at how Bethesda has done almost nothing to improve Fallout 4, which itself did little to improve Fallout 3. How long do they expect people to pay for the same, outdated and under-performing game engine? For the love of god, they used all the same assets from Fallout 4, but with a couple of color changes to the computer textures! OK, in fairness they added foliage and bumped the God rays. But look down, for a minute, and it is Fallout 4 all over again. That alone is reason not to buy, as far as I'm concerned.

 

No interaction with NPCs? The randos are going to create the narrative? Really? Good luck with that. And therein another, larger reason not to buy. I do not play Fallout for PvP. I don't want randos pulling me into PvP. I don't want to be inconvenienced in any way whatsoever by randos. I don't want to have to pay to teleport or block griefers in the hope they don't manage to find me again. I don't want randos targeting me because I've been playing the game for a while and have built up a bit of loot. I can play Quake or Doom right now if I want PvP with a side order of hackers. I play Fallout and Skyrim to get away from all that infuriating nonsense. To suggest that randos are going to generate compelling narrative by way of PvP betrays the sad lengths to which developers often go in defending bad decisions.

 

The fact that the developers are tripping over themselves to point out how they are handling griefers only highlights the fact that it's going to be problematic.

 

Outdated, under-powered game engine. Old assets. Lack of narrative. Randos and griefers. Feels like a misguided cash-grab to me.

 

Bethesda will properly address these issues, or I'll wait for a proper Fallout 5—or simply move on to one of the hundred other games in my Steam library. I understand CD Projekt Red makes a decent game.

 

And, yeah, this is a discussion worth having, even if the other side doesn't want to hear it.

Edited October 13, 2018 by SirGalahad

[dikr]

 

Wow. Shills in their natural habitat.

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And, yeah, this is a discussion worth having, even if the other side doesn't want to hear it.

 

It's not about us not wanting to hear anything and it isn't about Fallout 76 either. It's about; a. not being posted in the right section (General gaming would be better suited), and b. the OP having a history of actually obsessive anti-Fallout 76 and anti Bethesda thread posting in the FO4 forums. Being opposed to an upcoming title is one thing, presenting it as a friggin' world problem or a conspiracy is another. If there's anyone with an agenda here (or an 'issue', for that matter), it's more likely the OP than anyone else.

 

I am highly skeptical about the game too but I do understand one thing which the OP or yourself seem unable to grasp: Bethesda / Zenimax, etc are private companies founded in a free country and they can do whatever they like with their IP. Milk it, exploit it, port it and make cartoons for kids out of it. (It can always get worse, right?).

 

You guys seem to think that FO76 is somehow the end of the line for Fallout. While I think it's nothing else than the FO equivalent of TES Online. A game from a cherished sp-rpg IP ported towards a different crowd which I will probably not touch with a ten foot pole but I'm not going on a crusade about it for not being exactly the game that I crave to satisfy my personal gaming habit.

 

And it's not like we never had to be patient before for new, full fledged TES or FO titles. Patience and popcorn to watch the upcoming launch from a safe distance are all we really need.

Edited October 13, 2018 by dikr

[Evangela]

 

And it's not like we never had to be patient before for new, full fledged TES or FO titles. Patience and popcorn to watch the upcoming launch from a safe distance are all we really need.

 

Oh you're turning into a skeleton just like the rest of us, waiting for TES6 :tongue: We'll also all be too old(and some probably passed) when FO5 is released.

Edited October 14, 2018 by Rasikko

[SirGalahad]

I'm not going to read all of that guy's posts to look for an agenda. I agree with what I read here.

 

While Bethesda may have all the right in the world to tank their IP, I and others have every right to complain about the same. There is a little too much of this "shut your mouth and take it" mentality being pushed upon the world right now. Let's not add to that.

 

I was thinking about the changes yesterday and realized that narrative is the only thing Bethesda has ever done well in their games. Their tech is always outdated and under-performing. Their games are always buggy and they refuse to fix them. But their narratives are consistently better than most.

 

So, the one thing they do well, they are removing entirely from Fallout 76? Whose bright idea was that?

 

I've said my peace. Not looking for a protracted argument by any means. Have a good day, one and all.

[sopmac45]

I do believe the whole point about this is that Bethesda never payed attention to what their customers asked or suggested. We have been asking to fix all the bugs in Skyrim and Fallout series and they never did. We have been asking to come up with Fallout 5 or the new Elder Scroll VI but instead, they came up with FO76 which is something that we, ( single-player users - PvC players - ) did not want and do not want.

 

If FO76 is a mess or not, I do not really care. They have the right to come up with whatever game they want. It is a free world and whoever is not interested in their new project should keep his/her mouth shut. I agree with that. But again, in my case, I am on the side of all of those who were expecting something different from them. It is very frustrating that they never heard us to fix those games ( Skyrim and Fallout series ) and instead having us happy with the introduction of a new Fallout 5 ( PvC ) or the new Elder Scroll VI, they gave us this online game. It was like slapping us in the other side of our face after all the crap with have been dealing with those buggy games + the crap of their CC which those constant updates and put us in a situation to be dealing with unnecessary updates and all derivations from it.

 

Those who like to play online will be very happy and the majority are going to be frustrated. When you mess up with the majority of your customers, you are supposed to do something to regain their happiness but instead, they did not care and slapped us on the other side of our face. I think that is the whole point about this thread. If they either succeed or not with FO76, it is not my concern and I do not really care. What I really care is to continue playing single-player games that could be fully modded but we do not know if Beth will come up with something like that or somebody else. That is my truly concern but again, since I do not own any gaming company and I am not a programmer, the only thing I can do is to wait.

 

Whoever is participating in these threads or whoever is playing Skyrim and Fallout series, is a customer who loves to play in PvC mode with a game that is capable to be fully modded. If Bethesda does not develop a game like that in the future, then I think they lost their common sense.

[jones177]

If I am on the Skyrim forum I don't expect to read about elderscrollsonline. There is no site or forum for elderscrollsonline here because this is a modding site.

 

If Fallout 76 gets mods it will probably get a site & forum here.

 

I do know that Bethesda does not care. I am reminded of that every time there is an update to the CC.

 

I just hope that another company will see the value in us & the type of games we want to play.

[sopmac45]

Something that called my attention today was to know what Todd said in his last interview : Fallout 76 will be only available in Bethesda.net ... Steam will not host this game.

 

2 + 2 = 4 .... Fallout 76 only in Bethesda.net, so you have to be a member, probably be a member of the CC as welll and ..... Todd said that mods will be available for Fallout 76. Where ? In Bethesda.net of course.

 

So, when the river sounds, is because some stones are running in its current waters !!!

 

I am convinced that Fallout 4 is not just another game, but a big test for Bethesda. Todd also said that other future games will probably be on Steam. So, this is something that really called my attention because it could be that other future games will be only available in Bethesda and mods ONLY available in that place, meaning that no free modding will be allowed but we would have to, not just join Bethesda and their freaking CC, but probably also buy a special fee that will allow us to download ONLY their mods. No more free modding and I will very surprise if they do with any other future game.

 

STARFIELD was announced and it will be a RPG game but the question are :

- will be available outside Bethesda ?

- will they allow free modding ?

 

Seems to me like they have something under the sleeve that is starting to give light and it does not looks that good, not for all of us that would like another single-player game with free and full modding.

[m0ds1984]

Each to their own, but just to say it doesn't interest me. Everything I enjoy about Fallout 4 appears to NOT be in Fallout 76, outside of exploration. But a worldspace built entirely on holotapes and creature enemies only (scorched seem really lame, cheap filler enemy) ... nah. Did they really retcon Brotherhood of Steel? I'm wondering if that was just a texture they hadn't replaced that confused people, but if they full on retconed BoS then thats just additional lameness on top of already quite a lot of lame ness. But, let them release it, so they can learn a pertinent lesson about the majority of the fan-base. Still, we can all rest easy knowing Oxhorn will buy it and explain every detail of it so we can just watch it for free...! :laugh:

 

It's cool it appeals to some, but the writing is clearly on the wall, and if you can't see it or are choosing not to see it, that's too bad. If you don't see what the majority of your fellow Fallout fans are saying then maybe you are an NPC :wink: Whilst it certainly will pick up some strong Fallout fans, the overall sentiment is, if not negative, enough in that direction to put people off paying for it until it's done the rounds. And you've got retcons (possibly) and Steam skip and ugh. #NotMyBethesda I guess... lol

 

For someone like myself, it's just weird, to spend 1000 hours in Fallout 4 & Creation Kit... and feeling not even interested in a fleeting moment of Fallout 76. Environment does look lovely and tempting but that's all I'm getting out of it. The game play loop looks incredibly thin. The online element seems somewhat arbitrary overall. Role-play (which is quite fun and easy with companions in F4) seems completely out of the window. You go somewhere, you loot a crate, then your "snake" of real companions check the same box, rinse and repeat across an entire map. Not much depth overall. As someone said in one of the many videos, wide as an ocean, as deep as a puddle.

 

But hey, if you do buy it, let us know how it goes. I may not be interested myself but am still interested in both sides of opinion.

Edited October 18, 2018 by m0ds1984

[Mavkiel]

Only the superficial stuff looked interesting for me. new leveling mechanics, the base building.. But those aren't the reasons I play fallout type games.

 

I believe I said this in another thread but, I will state it again. It's like they learned all the wrong lessons from fallout 4. They saw how popular base building was, and didn't ask "why?". They saw people bitching about lackluster quests, and again they didn't ask "why?".

 

The why is probably the most important question they could have asked. Base building being popular because the cities were terribly small and unremarkable. People complained about the quests, because for the most part they were god awful. Hell, I can't think of a single quest in fallout 4 that had an emotional impact. Compare it to fallout 3, nuking megaton or Amata turning you away from the vault.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Mavkiel

[LadyMilla]

There is no site or forum for elderscrollsonline here because this is a modding site.

 

 

Fail.

 

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/forum/1692-general-the-elder-scrolls-online-discussion/

 

and

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/elderscrollsonline